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Autumn

(45,120 posts)
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 02:01 PM Jul 2015

Here are some interesting poll numbers matching Bernie against the GOP

We also tested Bernie Sanders against the leading Republicans- he leads Trump 43/39, but trails Bush 40/39, Walker 39/38, and Rubio 40/38. On average Clinton performs a little under 7 points better than Sanders against the top quartet of GOPers in head to head match ups.


http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/07/bush-leads-gop-field-in-virginia-but-clinton-ahead-for-general.html

It's early yet but I think in the General he would win over any GOPig . That he trails Bush by 1, I think that's a good indicator. I believe when Hillary gets out and campaigns her numbers will sink. Bernie will continue to rise.
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Here are some interesting poll numbers matching Bernie against the GOP (Original Post) Autumn Jul 2015 OP
Got my hair cut yesterday. The stylist had never heard of Bernie. OffWithTheirHeads Jul 2015 #1
I have a friend who told me his Barber has talked to him about Bernie Autumn Jul 2015 #6
Your job is tell them. I informed the two Postal workers glinda Jul 2015 #14
We need to come up with a card to hand out that anyone can print off their computer passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #19
I Love This Idea And A Good Place To Start Is With Bernie's 12 Point Economic Program..... global1 Jul 2015 #23
Here's A More Shortened Version Of The 12 Points..... global1 Jul 2015 #27
A lot of good suggestions here Ichingcarpenter Jul 2015 #29
Thanks guys. passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #34
I think you'd have to be careful who you gave them to nxylas Jul 2015 #36
I would only hand out a card to someone I talked to first and they show interest passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #37
I can't imagine anyone doing that for Hillary nxylas Jul 2015 #38
I guess it's an interesting and valid point. passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #40
Word Of Mouth And Social Media Are To Arrows In Our Quiver For Bernie..... global1 Jul 2015 #21
Basically tied, then n2doc Jul 2015 #2
When I saw that I was suprised. This poll gives her 7 points better against the GOP Autumn Jul 2015 #4
Her Inevitableness. SheilaT Jul 2015 #18
"Her Inevitableness"-love it! Also love Manny's "America's Next President(TM)" kath Jul 2015 #35
Republican Hate is a BIG Factor kracer20 Jul 2015 #25
I think all those are within the MoE. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #3
Exactly... Salviati Jul 2015 #17
He fares very well considering he has far less name recognition than any of them. Scuba Jul 2015 #5
People across all walks like what Bernie has to say when they listen to Bernie Autumn Jul 2015 #8
Thx for posting! Admiral Loinpresser Jul 2015 #7
Note bias: Sanders "trails" Bush. A one point difference is margin of error, not "trailing" ffs. merrily Jul 2015 #9
Bernie's message resonates with most udbcrzy2 Jul 2015 #10
Anecdotally and fyi swilton Jul 2015 #11
That is awesome swilton, it would make a very good stand alone OP that Autumn Jul 2015 #12
Very interesting point about fact-finding. SheilaT Jul 2015 #22
Precisely swilton Jul 2015 #41
A Sanders v. Bush debate would be a thing of beauty. Maedhros Jul 2015 #13
If it's a real debate. The mass media will focus on whether 'socialism' will work in the US. jalan48 Jul 2015 #20
Bernie has fielded that question before, and handles it well. [n/t] Maedhros Jul 2015 #24
Plus, you can't beat that name to make it easy to spread the word: Bernie C Moon Jul 2015 #15
GOPig lastone Jul 2015 #16
I agree with your analysis. blackspade Jul 2015 #26
Rock breaks scissors HassleCat Jul 2015 #28
I like Bernie rtracey Jul 2015 #30
Since this group is for supporters of Bernie Sanders who Autumn Jul 2015 #31
ohhhh yes maam rtracey Jul 2015 #42
I have heart Bern passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #32
Here Is the thing Robbins Jul 2015 #33
...! He is gaining Momentum......It is All We Need! KoKo Jul 2015 #39

glinda

(14,807 posts)
14. Your job is tell them. I informed the two Postal workers
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 03:22 PM
Jul 2015

at our local PO. Also that he helped save their jobs.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
19. We need to come up with a card to hand out that anyone can print off their computer
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 04:22 PM
Jul 2015

That gives a little info on his policies, and shows his web link, etc.

I'm going to make one. But It would be nice if something uniform was posted here with a sticky so anyone can save and print it onto card stock and take a handful when out and about.

Of course, you want to talk about him, but the card would be good reference material for those who don't know him and might look him up later.

The card should have some good links to youtube videos, and if someone here could write up a cool This is Bernie speil, I think that would be great.

Feel The Bern as a title!

global1

(25,261 posts)
23. I Love This Idea And A Good Place To Start Is With Bernie's 12 Point Economic Program.....
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 04:35 PM
Jul 2015

Here it is:

Sanders detailed 12-point economic program:

– Invest in our crumbling infrastructure with a major program to create jobs by rebuilding roads, bridges, water systems, waste water plants, airports, railroads and schools.

– Transform energy systems away from fossil fuels to create jobs while beginning to reverse global warming and make the planet habitable for future generations.

– Develop new economic models to support workers in the United States instead of giving tax breaks to corporations which ship jobs to low-wage countries overseas.

– Make it easier for workers to join unions and bargain for higher wages and benefits.

– Raise the federal minimum wage from $7.25 an hour so no one who works 40 hours a week will live in poverty.

– Provide equal pay for women workers who now make 78 percent of what male counterparts make.

– Reform trade policies that have shuttered more than 60,000 factories and cost more than 4.9 million decent-paying manufacturing jobs.

– Make college affordable and provide affordable child care to restore America’s competitive edge compared to other nations.

– Break up big banks. The six largest banks now have assets equivalent to 61 percent of our gross domestic product, over $9.8 trillion. They underwrite more than half the mortgages in the country and issue more than two-thirds of all credit cards.

– Join the rest of the industrialized world with a Medicare-for-all health care system that provides better care at less cost.

– Expand Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and nutrition programs.

– Reform the tax code based on wage earners’ ability to pay and eliminate loopholes that let profitable corporations stash profits overseas and pay no U.S. federal income taxes.


I used to make my own business cards on a computer. Perhaps these 12-points of Bernie's can be made more concise and then with a small point print can be copied to each side of a business card and run off on one's computer. Somebody that's creative here can put Bernie's logo on it and his website.

What a great way to spread the word for Bernie.

global1

(25,261 posts)
27. Here's A More Shortened Version Of The 12 Points.....
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 04:48 PM
Jul 2015

and my attempt at the small card idea.

Bernie Sander's 12 Point Economic Program

– Invest in our crumbling infrastructure: rebuild our roads, bridges, water systems, waste water plants, airports, railroads and schools.

– Transform energy systems away from fossil fuels.

– Stop giving tax breaks to corporations which ship jobs to low-wage countries overseas.

– Make it easier for workers to join unions and bargain for higher wages and benefits.

– Raise the federal minimum wage to $15.00 an hour.

– Provide equal pay for women workers.

– Reform trade policies to bring back manufacturing and jobs to the U.S.

– Make college affordable to restore America’s competitive edge compared to other nations.

– Break up big banks. If a bank is too big to fail it is too big to exist.

– Institute a Medicare-for-all health care system that provides better care at less cost.

– Expand Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and nutrition programs.

– Reform the tax code; eliminate loopholes that let corporations pay no U.S. federal income taxes.

Support Bernie Sanders and Help Him Transform America - Join The Revolution - Stand With Bernie

Website: https://berniesanders.com

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
29. A lot of good suggestions here
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 04:51 PM
Jul 2015

I've found many that fit your needs plus almost all you can print out and put on telephone poles, 2 page cards, photos, meme, videos and more.


https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/3b3cen/graphic_design_megathread_2/?sort=top


look for this at the beginning of the thread


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then you can sort the thread by:

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passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
34. Thanks guys.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 05:37 PM
Jul 2015

I'll check all these ideas out.

I cannot upload anything here, but if I come up with a card for myself, I'll start a thread and type in the gist of what the card has on it. It would have to be printed on both sides, and I am talking about something like a folded over business card, so it's 2x the size of a normal card (or maybe even three times, so it folds with a flap on top and bottom), and packed with info, but small enough to keep in your pocket or purse.

And I will probably make myself a sign to hang inside my car window. I have never put a bumper sticker on my car...ever, but I'm waiting for my Bernie bumper sticker and as soon as it gets here, it's going on my car. I will definitely need to get a Bernie button too, so people who are interested might stop and ask me about him...then I hand them a card.

Feel the Bern!



nxylas

(6,440 posts)
36. I think you'd have to be careful who you gave them to
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 06:17 PM
Jul 2015

You're preaching to the choir here, but I'm worried that to someone who didn't really know who Bernie is, it would have shades of the Ron Paul cult.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
37. I would only hand out a card to someone I talked to first and they show interest
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 06:41 PM
Jul 2015

If they are a fox news watcher, it doesn't matter what I give them. They will think that anyway. But if they are, they probably wouldn't be interested in finding out more about Bernie, so I'd have no reason to hand them the card. The info on the card would just be so they can pursue their interest with some good links. And I"m not going out of my way to proselytize. I'm not that comfortable pushing my views on people. I just want something to give to people who are curious and ask me about why I'm wearing a Bernie pin.

Just curious why you thought this though...would you worry if I were doing this for Hillary?

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
38. I can't imagine anyone doing that for Hillary
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 06:55 PM
Jul 2015

I think the situation is slightly different for Hillary, because everyone already knows who she is. If a Hillary supporter handed out a card with her policies on it, it would just look like standard-issue political advertising. The reaction would depend on the recipient's already existing attitude to her.

With Bernie, his name is still getting out there. Handing out cards might look a bit...weird.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
40. I guess it's an interesting and valid point.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 07:05 PM
Jul 2015

Does anyone else here think this might actually hurt rather than help inform people about Bernie? I sure don't want to do any thing that would make me look like a LaRouch idiot.

global1

(25,261 posts)
21. Word Of Mouth And Social Media Are To Arrows In Our Quiver For Bernie.....
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 04:28 PM
Jul 2015

Last edited Thu Jul 16, 2015, 05:02 PM - Edit history (1)

He's not going to get the corporate MSM to cover him so we have to do the job they won't do. Tweet & Facebook about Bernie. We have to make Bernie go viral.

Word of mouth also works and every chance you get make sure the person you are talking to knows who Bernie is and why he is important. A good endorsement coming from a friend, associate or family member will go a long way.

We also have to make the social media message a daily thing. Trump is now taking all the oxygen out of the room and getting a lot of coverage on the cable news shows. So much he's detracting from the rest of the clown car candidates.

Hillary seems to be grabbing all the attention on the Dem side with her visits to Capitol Hill and can do things with all the money she has to keep her name prominent.

We have to help Bernie do the same. We don't hear enough about Bernie in the MSM and when we do - most of the time it's either too discredit him in some way (think Claire McCaskill) or the late night show hosts making fun of him in their monologues.

We need to have Bernie's back and we need to keep his name prominent out there and social media is a way to do that. We need creative individuals to put out youtube videos that take Bernie viral in a good way.

I like it that Bernie is going about his Senatorial duties very diligently. As such - he sticks close to D.C. and the goings on in the Senate. He is doing his job. Perhaps we can use that in some positive way to show that Bernie is more interested in doing a good job versus stroking his ego by constant campaigning - like the other candidates.

These are just thoughts and observations I've had in watching the Bernie wave develop. It's still early in the game folks and as more people learn of Bernie and his foundational programs - that resonate with them - the more support he will garner as we move to the primaries and beyond. Go Bernie!!!!!!!

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
2. Basically tied, then
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 02:11 PM
Jul 2015

I got attacked for pointing out that Her Inevitableness had a mere 4 pt lead, which is essentially tied this far out, with Jeb. You would think she was leading by 20 from the reaction I got. Once people get past the idea that HRC is the only candidate that can beat republicans, and that she isn't even that safe of a bet, then my hope is that minds will open up to other candidates. And Bernie seems to be the only other one running at the moment with significant support.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
4. When I saw that I was suprised. This poll gives her 7 points better against the GOP
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 02:18 PM
Jul 2015

front runners than Sanders and that Bernie is that close is amazing to me.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
18. Her Inevitableness.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 04:21 PM
Jul 2015

I like that. Especially considering that she was Her Inevitableness some eight years ago.


So far, well over a year ahead of the general election and nearly six months out from the first primaries and caucuses, almost all polling is pure name recognition. Trump polls so well for Republicans because he has massive name recognition. Same with Hillary. As all of the various candidates become more well known, things will change.

kath

(10,565 posts)
35. "Her Inevitableness"-love it! Also love Manny's "America's Next President(TM)"
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 05:38 PM
Jul 2015

Wish I knew how to do the trademark symbol as a superscript...

kracer20

(199 posts)
25. Republican Hate is a BIG Factor
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 04:40 PM
Jul 2015

I keep thinking that hate drives Republicans more than anything. The only thing that Republicans hate more than Obama might be the Clintons, and I think that will play a big part in the general elections.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
3. I think all those are within the MoE.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 02:15 PM
Jul 2015

But I think it's good for Bernie, he still has far less name-recognition than Trump, Bush, etc. His #s will only go up. If he beats Hillary in the primaries (which should remain the focus for now), then his #s will probably be even better than Hillarys. He will def bring in more crossover, youth, and alienated voters to the D ticket. That will more than offset Hillarys PUMA crowd.

Salviati

(6,008 posts)
17. Exactly...
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 04:19 PM
Jul 2015

The lead he has over Trump is slightly outside the MoE, but the one thing these republican clowns all have over Sanders is name recognition.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
5. He fares very well considering he has far less name recognition than any of them.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 02:18 PM
Jul 2015

Just wait 'til folks have heard his message!

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
8. People across all walks like what Bernie has to say when they listen to Bernie
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 02:20 PM
Jul 2015

You can't say that about Hillary.

Admiral Loinpresser

(3,859 posts)
7. Thx for posting!
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 02:19 PM
Jul 2015

Hillary will have trouble going up as the press and GOP beat on her, while Bernie has much better teflon on negatives and has a very positive upward trend right now.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
9. Note bias: Sanders "trails" Bush. A one point difference is margin of error, not "trailing" ffs.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 02:45 PM
Jul 2015

Every poll seems to have different numbers, but Bernie is likelier to beat Jeb! than Hillary! is.

 

udbcrzy2

(891 posts)
10. Bernie's message resonates with most
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 02:47 PM
Jul 2015

Bernie Sanders is for the middle class and his message resonates with most people. I don't have to worry about voting for Hillary because Bernie is going to win this!

 

swilton

(5,069 posts)
11. Anecdotally and fyi
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 02:57 PM
Jul 2015

This may be the place to offer a few observations from the field....

In my small town (Keene, NH/pop. < 25,000) that was the site of a Sanders visit in early June, there is no 'Democratic Party' office. Instead, there is a Hillary Clinton office....which may be symptomatic of why the Democratic Party stores have yet to cover campaign materials for other candidates and especially Bernie Sanders.

Spoke to a graduate student (a Sanders supporter/but much less passionate than yours here) yesterday and she provided comments on the Hillary campaign which provided her class with a campaign visit. Overall, she thought the presentation was a turn-off. I'm paraphrasing of course.....For example, the campaigner said her goal of the visit was 'fact-finding' - my friend was rather turned off by that approach and said - why don't you know what the issues are? If you don't know what the issues are why are you campaigning. We want to here solutions....Friend felt very unmoved by the visit....

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
12. That is awesome swilton, it would make a very good stand alone OP that
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 03:15 PM
Jul 2015

this whole group would enjoy. Little observations like that are very inspiring and often lead to others sharing their experiences. You should post that. It also really illuminates the problem of the Democratic party pushing only one candidate.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
22. Very interesting point about fact-finding.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 04:29 PM
Jul 2015

I wish I'd thought of that.

If any candidate does not already understand what the issues really are, then he or she has apparently been living under a large rock. I understand that different solutions might be offered, but "fact-finding" on the part of a Hillary Clinton sounds suspiciously like figuring out exactly how to slant her message so as to sound just like the electorate wants to hear, not at all caring about the actual issues and real solutions.

 

swilton

(5,069 posts)
41. Precisely
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 08:26 PM
Jul 2015

I can't put it into the language the way that you said it. But that is exactly what she is doing - I've seen 'leaders' politicos do it this way all the time. In this way, they get the little people to think that they're being heard....when in reality it's just that they're being ignored and the establishment does what it wants anyway.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
28. Rock breaks scissors
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 04:50 PM
Jul 2015

I think the Democrat will defeat the Republican, no matter which two names end up on the ballot. The tidal wave of idiocy has crested, and the loonies are being pulled out to sea by the receding waters. It's been a long drought, but things are changing.

 

rtracey

(2,062 posts)
30. I like Bernie
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 04:53 PM
Jul 2015

I like Bernie, but my feeling and again IN MY OWN OPINION..... I feel Bernie is just too left for a good number in the party. Poll number are not a good indicator, especially this far out from the election, but when Walker is doing better....ugggg

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
31. Since this group is for supporters of Bernie Sanders who
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 04:58 PM
Jul 2015

just love the fact that he is so far Left. Your concern has been noted. Please keep this from our group SOP in mind in your future posts here and post accordingly. If you feel he can't win by all means feel free to take your concerns elsewhere.

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Robbins

(5,066 posts)
33. Here Is the thing
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 05:28 PM
Jul 2015

Bernie in july is leading trump and is in dead heat with bush,walker,and rubio.sorry 1 or 2 point leads mean nothing.

Bernie will continue to raise before iowa and NH.he win those states hillary's lead will collapse like house of cards

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