Bernie Sanders
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(Thank you to DUer Silvershadow for posting about this here last night)
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Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Show's he's not just brushing off the protest, just needed some time to regroup and reorient.
nyabingi
(1,145 posts)from his political advisors, he'd really seize on this moment to really introduce himself to the broader Black constituency who are kinda lukewarm on him or the other part that doesn't really know who he is. Hillary is only getting the support she has now because everyone knows her and assumes she's the best choice at the moment.
I think his heart is in the right place, but he needs to let Black voters know that he understands where they're coming from and will be an advocate for justice from the White House. If Bernie gets the blessing of the BLM movement, he'll have secured a strong activist base of politically-savvy young folks who'll be instrumental in whatever success he has on down the road.
What I couldn't stand though were the many comments from white Bernie supporters on other sites expressing anger at the BLM movement for their protest at the Netroot Nation conference. Their criticisms all centered around the idea that the BLM movement is comprised of a bunch of ill-informed miscreants who needed a newspaper and to realize who they should be protesting instead of Bernie. The BLM movement was protesting precisely because they know who he is, what he's said thus far and what he's not said. You don't see Black folks protesting any Republicans because they make it know, plain and openly, that they can't stand us.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)I don't think there should be upset and scorn toward those who felt anger.
The protest seems to be dividing Bernie supporters on the basis of who was angered by it.
My criticisms were NOT as you say "centered around the idea that the BLM movement is comprised of a bunch of ill-informed miscreants who needed a newspaper and to realize who they should be protesting instead of Bernie"
That is one way those of us who dared to express our opinion were painted, and it is not the truth. Notice how it makes us look so very bad when expressed that way.
I watched the protest as it happened, and I wanted to cry. For both the candidates and the protestors. I really don't want people analyzing my motives in such a negative way.
I strongly believe Black Lives Matter is a much needed group, and I 100% support their goals.
I did not think the protests were a good thing.
I especially did NOT like it when the founder of the group said their reason for protesting Bernie and Martin was they were not "humble enough."
Cullors told This Week host L. Joy Williams that she felt neither OMalley nor Sanders were humble enough during their town hall appearance, and called on presidential candidates to be willing to openly discuss issues of race and gender.
I am sorry we disagree, but please do not assign motives to my disagreement with the protest. You should not try to "humble" your candidates in a public forum to which they came in good faith.
nyabingi
(1,145 posts)that were critical of the BLM movement (not yours specifically), but I'm not sure why saying the candidates were not "humble enough" is reason enough to say you didn't like the protest. Any protest/heckling, etc., involves interruption, noise, and aggravation for the target, but they're meant to get the attention of the target, and that's what they accomplished. Not sure why them requesting humility is a problem, so maybe you'll elaborate on that point.
You are more informed than many of the negative comments I read about the protests, and they were generally based on the idea that the protesters were dumb and chose the wrong target for their protest (as if the protests are haphazardly targeted simply to get notice). Many of those critical of Bernie have noted how he tries to revert any topic back towards the one he's been focusing on primarily during his campaign - income inequality and the dominance of the wealthy elite.
Bernie has thus far avoided having to deal substantively with what has been happening because his campaign rallies have been mostly white liberals with a sprinkling of people of color, so he has not felt the need to address it.
Perhaps the "humility" requested of Bernie is the humility to actually ask for someone's vote, tell them how you're the candidate to address their concerns, and not just assume that a certain constituency is already in the proverbial bag without having to work for it.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)There is just criticism and then there is your mention of "white liberals" which makes me stop and think about motives for posting here.
I only post about the Bernie campaign or anything about the primary now in the Bernie forum. I had to leave GDP when it became all about race and not about common sense.
As to your comment about why they wanted to "humble" our candidates....I see it as trying to make them look bad in a public forum.
nyabingi
(1,145 posts)experiencing from the protests. I think the protesters know Bernie and O'Malley are sympathetic ears and that's why they were targeted for the protest in the first place. Bernie seemed annoyed, but I think O'Malley handled it lot better by ceding ground and being somewhat humble in the way he handled it.
The protesters were not trying to make anyone "look bad", and I don't think either candidate came out "looking bad" in the aftermath. The fact that Bernie is making sure to speak out about the Sandra Bland situation (which is what the original post was about, and why I felt it appropriate to comment about Bernie here) tells me that the protests achieved the desired effect.
I used "white liberals" because I thought that an apt description of the majority of campaign rally attendees. Maybe I should have used "progressive"? Instead of anger and irritation that "your" candidates were interrupted, I don't understand why Bernie's supporters can't simply listen and recognize allies when you see them.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)You said:
I don't understand why Bernie's supporters can't simply listen and recognize allies when you see them.
Everything you are saying is geared to make Bernie supporters look bad.
Guess what, we're not.
We don't think alike we don't talk alike.