But she would have another. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Besides, Debbie Republican Schultz is not the power in the Democratic Party. Hell, she's not even the power in the DNC.

It might draw some of the ABCers away from Bernie, but I believe most of his support is because of his policy positions so I would expect it would hurt her campaign a lot more.

Republican. She's been running for years and years, yet Trump is now only six points away from her in a match up poll. To be fair to Hillary, I don't know how significant those are.

In 2012, polls showed Obama would lose to every possible clown in the car, including Mr. Generic Republican. You'd have to poll registered, like voters in purple counties to even come close to meaningful. At that, it's still too far out for meaningful polls.

Can you imagine a debate between Joe, Bernie, and Mike, with Hillary looking like a deer in the headlights when they all start agreeing on difficult, complex policies? I can already picture her blurting out one of her canned "statements" (wiped it with a rag or something) in an effort to get into the conversation and debate, and coming across lamer than a one legged duck on crutches.

...he'd make a great VP for Bernie!

(Seriously, my SO and I were thinking that wouldn't be a bad team. Lots of change, some continuity, Joe wouldn't have to move...)

However, at that, the nominee can appoint anyone as VP. So, running against Bernie is not a prerequisite for being VP.

How much does the party hate liberals, anyway? Seems like a lot

and the M$M isn't helping much.

I saw one report about Hillary 'being in trouble' and the talking heads were looking
around going .. "gee, who else is there?" ... then brought up Biden and Gore ..
I don't think they even mentioned Bernie's name.

But Bernie and most Berners KNEW this would be the case, and he keeps gaining
anyway; but still .. it's disgusting to watch so much deliberate deception and denial
going on.

Inventing super delegates, giving them about 20% of the primary vote, trying to avoid primaries entirely, discouraging Presidential primary challenges, trying to undermine and freeze out the candidate who is running second. All of that seems anti-democratic to me as well.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1277

I didn't know this group existed, but now I do

Now added to my subscriptions. thanks

Before that, it was relatively lively.

Not to us, anyway.
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Campaign' because, he said recently, 'If we can't fix that, NOTHING else can get done'.

That would be awesome, especially if he joins Bernie in refusing to accept Corporate Money.

Otherwise, I really don't mind who enters the race, the more the better, the more debates the better, the more people will be able to see the difference between Bernie and all the rest of the field, including Biden who often talks the way a Dem talks, but his voting record doesn't match his words more often than not.

Money in politics is now a huge issue for Americans, OWS opened that conversation and Bernie has continued it.

Biden, surprisingly a few weeks ago, was emphatic also that it MUST be 'the #1 issue in this campaign'. If he runs and helps Bernie make it the most important issue, I will welcome that, so long as he acts according to his words. Otherwise that will be a huge weakness which will be exposed as such and will most likely cost him support.

Supremes is about the only step that realistically can be taken--and I am not sure that would clear the Senate.

At that, we'd only go back to the status quo ante, namely McCain Feingold, which is totally voluntary.

Much quicker: a campaign telling people that ignoring TV ads is the only hope of getting money out of politics any time soon or something like that.

But, we'd have to fund it!

statement and his warning to voters, that they MUST make this a number 1 issue of this campaign.

If he takes that money, that will be raised constantly, and it will show that as president, he will not be standing up for the people.

You can count on this being a huge issue for him since he MADE it an issue himself.

On a personal level, it's hard not to like the guy. He's personable, gregarious, and always ready with a quotable opinion. On the other hand, he's done some very questionable things. He was the champion of the credit card industry during his senate days, he was chairman of the senate committee that pulled the plug on Anita Hill and gave us Clarence Thomas, and then of course there's that nasty Iraq War vote.

I think he'd pull more votes away from Clinton than Bernie Sanders. There's a lot of people who are only supporting her because she's been running all over the country since 2008 screaming "Me! Me! Me!" and they don't even realize anybody is opposing her. Biden, even though he is VP doesn't get that kind of press and lacks the name recognition.

Biden isn't as awful as Clinton, but he's nowhere near Sanders when it comes to the things that really count.

BTW, we now get why he's been in so many polls even though he had not announced, don't we?

running got to be in so many polls. They wanted to know how he'd do if her campaign faltered despite their best efforts.

isn't that odd. But yes, I do think the party leadership is feeling around for an understudy, a move which could elicit some ill-considered moves from the Clinton campaign. The potential for HRC to shoot herself in the foot while overreacting to something (Bernie, her recent clumsy interaction with BLM, the email scandal, the notion that her party's looking for a backup candidate) seems pretty high.

Her support isn't strong, she is already losing ground to Bernie , a virtual unknown even among Dems now, recent polls showing her now below 50%, a 20 point drop since Bernie entered the race, while Bernie's are rising into the 30s and he's still not know to half the country. Iow, as more people get to know him, his polls rise accordingly.

Biden will take from Hillary, Bernie's supporters are made up of people who are sick to death of the Status Quo and Biden's presence in the polls so far isn't affecting his rise in the polls.

If Biden replaces Hillary, the same thing will happen especially if he goes back on his recently stated position on the corrosive, corrupting effect of money in politics, his words btw, people are very concerned about this issue now.

that helped create the Incarceration Industrial Complex, that gave us the highest incarceration rate in the world

but, still less baggage than H, and has the cred of 8 years VP

Foot in the mouth, groping, etc.

I think Biden is too much of a team player (and I don't mean that in a negative way, I mean he would not do it opportunistically) to enter the game at this stage, unless it had the blessing of an establishment that had concerns over their first pick, HRC

I don't see Sanders as the DNC's 1st, 2nd or 10th pick, as he's a threat to the DNC's status quo - and in fairness to the DNC, as an independent, they don't owe him

He's running as Democrat and, even if he weren't, they owe him plenty. He's carried water for Democrats for years. Both Dean (when head of the DNC) and Schumer have described him as a huge asset to the Democratic Party.

Forget what they owe him, anyway. What about what they owe us?

I hate to admit this, but I'm old enough to remember watergate as a little kid. drip drip drip

people look at watergate with complete hindsight, starting with the conclusion, the resignation

but, this is what it looked like long before the resignation, long before the resignation was inevitable

which is quite ironic, as she was on the watergate committee

Something about how she attempted to deny Nixon his right to counsel. Supposedly, she got fired or almost fired from working on it. (Statements made many years later vary.)

Someone who claimed to be a lawyer with the DNC at the time pm'd me about it. When I googled, I found a lively debate about it on DU2!

Who was the right source to verify the rumor and exactly what, if anything, did the right source say about it and when did he say it? That kind of debate.

As if that is the kind of thing lawyers for the DNC would make a lot of public statements about? It would probably be unethical to say anything.

It might draw a tiny amount of the "anyone but Hillary" vote. But most Sanders supporters are in it for policy and for Bernie. He is kind of the real deal and most support him for that.

Biden would devour much of the support for Chafee and Webb, effectively ending their campaigns. O'Malley may or may not be able to hang in there. But since all three of their campaigns are probably stalking horses for a Veep position they would either throw their weight at Hillary or possibly stay in so they can attack Hillary in hopes of getting good with Biden.

The thing is that any losses for Hillary are really going to end up helping Bernie out since the more open the race becomes the more likely people will start reconsidering who they really want to be president.

One of the problems for Biden is that he has suffered a barrage of attacks by the right wing media (like Hillary has) to reduce his electability. For Hillary it was Bullshit conspiracy crap, for Biden it was attempting to paint him as a walking gaffe-machine.

Bernie would do well in debates with these two as both Biden and Hillary would come across as being far too polished.

Frankly though I don't think Biden will run and the only reason he is being floated is as an excuse to delay the debates.

Bernie will do fantastic in the debates. He's a real game changer, in terms of a Presidential campaign isn't he? In so many ways, from honesty to populism to the way he's handling volunteers--so many ways. Something Mark Halperin and John Hellemann would never admit publicly.

And it doesn't matter. Bernie will win because he has the winning ideas. Nothing. Nothing is as powerful as an idea who's time has come.

the Economic Meltdown eg, than any other over the past several decades. The old way has failed millions of Americans and they are desperately looking for something different. Biden and Hillary represent that old way. Bernie is talking about solutions to the old way, and that is why he will win.

I wouldn't feel sick to my stomach about pulling the lever for Joe in the general though, so that's a plus.

Another third-way dem .. I'm sure you can work out how I feel about that.

Joe's family story is compelling but as far as politics go...I just feel he's the "not her" candidate...same old, same old.

Go Bernie!

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votes away from HRC. The people, who don't like
her, could have always gone to O'Malley, who is
not asking for a revolution. Bernie voters are
just too tired of the status quo, which would be
represented by Biden.

And I say it again, he will only get in after the
first debate, and/or when her polls turn down
drastically.

As long as Bernie has been in politics, he has not been in the spotlight much. And certainly, his ideas are new to many people. So is his straightforwardness and plain speech.

I'm on that bandwagon. I love Onion Joe Biden!!