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Catherina

(35,568 posts)
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 09:04 PM Aug 2015

I have to give props to Ben Carson for this widely shared article

Ben Carson: #BlackLivesMatter misfire
Ben Carson 7:05 p.m. EDT August 24, 2015
Our righteous anger misdirected at politically convenient targets, not real culprits.


The idea that disrupting and protesting Bernie Sanders speeches will change what is wrong in America is lunacy. The "BlackLivesMatter" movement is focused on the wrong targets, to the detriment of blacks who would like to see real change and to the benefit of its powerful white liberal funders using the attacks on Sanders for political purposes that mean nothing for the problems that face our community.

..

But unjust treatment from police did not fill our inner cities with people who face growing hopelessness. Young men and women can't find jobs. Parents don't have the skills to compete in a modern job market. Far too many families are torn and tattered by self-inflicted wounds. Violence often walks alongside people who have given up hope.

...

My mother knew what the problems were and she shielded me and my brother from them. I can tell you she wasn't worried about Socialist senators from tiny rural states. "BlackLivesmatter" could learn from her to focus on the real sources of our hopelessness.

This is where we should march:

Let’s head down to the board of education. Teaching is a tough job and thank God there was a teacher who convinced me that I was not dumb, but our schools are failing and we have no power to abandon them. The actions of rogue police officers take black lives one at a time. Our public school system has destroyed black lives not in the ones and twos, but in whole generations.

The schools don’t teach and our children don’t learn. Too many public schools are controlled by teachers unions focused more on the convenience and compensation of adults rather than the education of children who started out far behind. Their failures don't kill as quickly, but they do kill as surely as a bullet.

Let’s confront the entertainment industry

...

There are many things to be angry about when you are consumed by hopelessness. Bernie Sanders isn’t one of them.



http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/08/24/blacklivesmatter-sanders-clinton-anger-column/32055507/
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I have to give props to Ben Carson for this widely shared article (Original Post) Catherina Aug 2015 OP
Carson's larger point, I guess HassleCat Aug 2015 #1
I don't really care because he's not my guy but a lot of more conservative millennials Catherina Aug 2015 #4
I don't think the props are for his solutions marym625 Aug 2015 #8
Really? jeff47 Aug 2015 #2
I'm giving props to him for his remarks about Sanders Catherina Aug 2015 #3
So not endorsing except for increasing the drug war and slashing the safety net. jeff47 Aug 2015 #5
That's quite a leap. Uh-huh. n/t Catherina Aug 2015 #6
So you quoted them approvingly a second time because you disagree with them so much? (nt) jeff47 Aug 2015 #9
Sorry, I don't have enough time on my hands for this. n/t Catherina Aug 2015 #10
Wow! marym625 Aug 2015 #7
You're welcome Mary Catherina Aug 2015 #11
that is how I took it. marym625 Aug 2015 #12
I always precede remarks about Carson with calling him a wacko. immoderate Aug 2015 #15
exactly. marym625 Aug 2015 #20
Stopped clock rule applies. merrily Aug 2015 #23
This just came across my twitter, by a conservative millennial Catherina Aug 2015 #16
Cool! marym625 Aug 2015 #21
I've always admired Dr. Carson. 840high Aug 2015 #13
I have as well marym625 Aug 2015 #14
Maybe you'll like this. Bernie vs Carson on the economy Catherina Aug 2015 #18
Thank you Catherina. 840high Aug 2015 #19
I don't like the anti-teacher propaganda. fbc Aug 2015 #17
I don't either. Catherina Aug 2015 #22
Thanks, Catherina. My problem lies with the lopsidedness of the treatment and the inaccuracies. merrily Aug 2015 #24
 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
1. Carson's larger point, I guess
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 09:21 PM
Aug 2015

Carson is very much one of those, "Black people create their own problems," type of guys. I think he's faulting BLM for being too radical, not blaming themselves as much as they should, not buying into Carson's solutions. I doubt if he cares that they disrupted a Bernie Sanders event. Note his dismissive language about the socialist senator from a tiny rural state.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
4. I don't really care because he's not my guy but a lot of more conservative millennials
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 09:31 PM
Aug 2015

are paying close attention. Hearing this from Carson at the same time Cornel West endorsed him from the Left is bound to have an effect. I'm looking at at this strategically.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
8. I don't think the props are for his solutions
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 10:11 PM
Aug 2015

Which are hardly solutions.

I don't think anyone thinks he's at all in touch with the reality of cause. But his comments about the protests against Sanders are right. Skewed, condescending to just about everyone, but still, right. The point being, I believe, they're concentrating on someone that is doing the right thing and not on those that are fighting to keep people down.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
2. Really?
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 09:23 PM
Aug 2015

His points:
1) Fire all the teachers and their evil union. More charter schools. Because you get the best education from the least-paid teachers.

2) Rap music is evil. Eeeeeevilllllllllll.

3) Thugs are trying to kill us all in our sleep.

4) Make the drug war even worse.

5) Cut what remains of the safety net.

6) Democrats suck

7) Republicans are just misunderstood.

You are giving him props for that pile of shit?

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
3. I'm giving props to him for his remarks about Sanders
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 09:28 PM
Aug 2015

I'm not endorsing his conservative talking points at all and I'm a strong union supporter but not in love with many union leaders who sell out their workers. There are several things in his article that I totally agree with after living in Baltimore and seeing the institutional racism first hand


Let's go over to the crack house. We need to tear it down. Profiting from selling poison to our children and destroying lives must not be the ambition of our children. These monuments to our destruction deserve our active scorn not our silent acceptance.

We should go to Washington. For decades they have fought the "War on Poverty." Poverty won. We lost.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
7. Wow!
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 09:57 PM
Aug 2015

Thank you for this.

This guy is just all over the map. I was familiar with him for almost as long as I can remember. His work is nothing less than pure genius.

Yet, we take his words on the LGBT community and wonder he can possibly be the same person that successfully removed half a brain from a child. A child who lived in much better health than before the surgery.

This is more like what I would have expected from him.

Thanks again for posting this


On edit. I just read the other replies. I agree with everything they're saying. However, I will give credit where it's due. Coming from him, it's something big. They're right about nowCarson's thinking about minorities causing "their own problems" but only to an extent. I remember reading about that in an interview with him in Parade Magazine a million years ago. He believes it was his mother that shielded him from pitfalls and admits that the issues, caused by government and racists, exist and are not easily escaped.

Regardless, I'm glad he said it no matter what he thinks about the small town senator or BLM, who I staunchly support

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
11. You're welcome Mary
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 10:42 PM
Aug 2015

It's certainly not a ringing endorsement but we'll never get that from any of them. I appreciate what he said about Bernie and Bernie not being the enemy.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
12. that is how I took it.
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 10:51 PM
Aug 2015

No doubt the guy is nuts and sometimes downright evil. But this is worth a prop.

 

immoderate

(20,885 posts)
15. I always precede remarks about Carson with calling him a wacko.
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 11:29 PM
Aug 2015

So -- he is a wacko.

Having said that, he stumbled into saying something right about Bernie. It can happen.

--imm

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
16. This just came across my twitter, by a conservative millennial
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 11:38 PM
Aug 2015

Funny thing. This just came across my twitter written by a conservative millennial. To be clear, I'm not endorsing this person's political beliefs but this is the first time I've run across a conservative millennial explaining himself and I thought it was interesting. I'm still mulling it over.

Practical Politics: Why conservatives should support left-leaning Bernie Sanders

...

So what do I make of Bernie? In times such as these, it is natural for people to want to be saved, and Bernie plays a wonderful messianic archetype. This would normally be a cause for suspicion; anyone claiming to save the world or the country is usually more trouble than they’re worth. However, there is something about this man that makes me trust him. The press has called him a dreamer — the least accurate description possible. If anything, he is more cynical than most would like.

He openly says he cannot fulfill all of his campaign promises and most of the things he proposes are well-researched practical plans that people can analyze rather than the vague promises of Hillary Clinton, the insults of Donald Trump and the hostility and vapidity of anyone who would seriously ask you to check your privilege.

Here, I will make a radical point: it’s not new, and the basis of what’s going to spew forth from my mouth has basis in the post French-Revolutionary philosophy that spawned modern conservatism.

Conservatives should vote for Bernie Sanders. Conservatism, in short, values peace as its end goal, change is carefully considered in order to maximize peace but it is not impossible nor necessarily to be resisted. The current order is broken, we see signs of instability every day and something needs to change. The Conservative has a role to play in this transformation. They need to take responsibility for legislation, they need to stop obstructing, they need to jettison the policies designed to lock us into this current violent and unstable paradigm.

Instead, we should embrace a candidate with sensible, non-identity based solutions and then make sure that the chosen candidate is supported in their attempts and restrained when they go too far and begin to destabilize the country. Bernie’s demands have been with us for decades, there is nothing radical about his plan. If you stand with Edmund Burke, walk with me on Bernie’s campaign let’s stroll out of the ’70s. The protests, violence and disco are getting irritating. Hold on one second, I’ll take a white wine spritzer with me.

Jack Davies is a sophomore studying philosophy

http://www.thepostathens.com/opinion/practical-politics-why-conservatives-should-support-left-leaning-bernie-sanders/article_227cdce0-4b71-11e5-873b-771b2194ab43.html

marym625

(17,997 posts)
21. Cool!
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 12:24 AM
Aug 2015

I can totally dig that. Whatever they need to say to come to the conclusion that Bernie is who we need, it's all good!

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
18. Maybe you'll like this. Bernie vs Carson on the economy
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 11:51 PM
Aug 2015

MediaMakers4Bernie just tweeted this so I watched it and enjoyed it.

 

fbc

(1,668 posts)
17. I don't like the anti-teacher propaganda.
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 11:47 PM
Aug 2015

I understand why you posted it, but...

But I am sure we agree on almost everything else Comrade.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
22. I don't either.
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 12:32 AM
Aug 2015

but there's a real problem in Baltimore, where Carson lived most of his professional life. With a few exceptions, its Public Schools are bad, unsafe and they keep cutting staff. The school system got a D+ in a citizen survey recently. I don't see how you can blame the teachers union for that though unless he's possibly talking about bad or greedy leadership that's more focused on power than on providing the best education. I'm in no position to know anything about their union or its leaders so, barring any bad surprises there, I agree with you. Comrade

merrily

(45,251 posts)
24. Thanks, Catherina. My problem lies with the lopsidedness of the treatment and the inaccuracies.
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 05:26 AM
Aug 2015

I am in a minority among Sanders' supporters in that I totally understand why BLM would "Act Up" in the way they did.

What I don't understand is why, among all the candidates for President, Bernie seems to be their #1 target. Also, why they continued to say he didn't say anything about race well after he was talking about race. And claiming he did certain things only because of BLM when that is not true, either.

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