they can in Bernie's way. I expect them to keep him out of some of the primaries because he isn't a 'real Democrat.' It's going to be interesting to see, because it won't make the other candidates look very good if Bernie is marginalized.

Candidates come and go every four to eight years. The Party not only missed an opportunity to get back its disaffected and former members, but it is assiduously and insistently shooting itself in the foot.

They will do pretty much anything to make sure a real progressive doesn't get the nomination. If that means sabotaging the Democrats' chances in 2016, so be it. The party they work for and the party that we support are not the same. If the Republicans nominate someone who passes for a moderate, like Kasich, the 3rd Wayers will have a place to go.

sabotage and veiled endorsements for the Republican candidate by Democratic Party leaders.

The one party with two heads has a pretty good racket going, and they are not going to go down without a bloody fight.

Mostly former mayors, most notably, former Boston Mayor, Ambassador Flynn.

Very interesting.

Wasserman-Schultz has a history of this, so expect the entire DNC to turn on Sanders if he gets the nomination.
Although in her case there was no veil....

I foresee a strong possibility of Bernie winning the state race and losing the nomination based on superdelegates.

Which is going to piss off millions more voters, and turn even more people off politics.

overturn a clear popular vote. Maybe, maybe not. However, I can't say I'm sanguine about the vote itself.

Democrats claimed stolen Presidential elections in 2000 and 2004. When they took over Congress in 2006, they had a chance to do something about it. Waxman held hearings in which testimony showed that mucking with voting machines was damned easy. And then....nothing happened. Why?

Is claiming Republicans mucked with the vote more beneficial than trying to make mucking with the vote more difficult? Or increasing penalties for it, etc.?

because we'll do it.

the posts in this group and act on them, for example,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128038373

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=38677

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128040370

If the Super Delegates vote in opposition to the popular vote, I hope they are prepared to personally replace the boots on the ground to win.

there is a petition to have Jon Stewart moderate a debate----------to drive the establishment nuts.
They are very afraid,
This is why the supporters are RSVP for a rally in Washington this October-----------------we want to put the establishment on notice----------------------it's not going to be the same old BS-------------enough is enough

I have yet to see or read where "any "candidate" has had more people at any of their events--------even when the MSM tries to BS or fudge the results---------------------the events by Sanders are making the both establishments nervous------------real nervous.
I am putting my dollars in the Sanders campaign from day one-----------------it was about ISSUES, not platitudes-------and because he is a Democratic--Socialist, and that also is driving the establishment nuts, he is not beholden to the BS oligarchy messages




Honk--------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

I am not at all anxious to see him moderate a primary debate, thanks anyway.

popular vote, or excludes him from any primaries, I will NEVER vote Democratic again. Period. Screech away about the Supreme Court, GOP controlling all three branches, etc..... I do not care. If the DNC does not respect the will of the voters than they truly are no better than the GOP. Period.

AFAIK, the DNC did not follow their announcements with a fundraising letter, as it did as soon as Bernie announced.

and that is the forbidden one. If I were Bernie I would publicly state that if he wins the popular vote but it is denied by super-delegate party insiders, he will go third party. I think that would be an effectivr deterrant against being denied the nomination, and I can't think of any other such deterrant. I'm not advocating third party here, but I'm saying that strategically it is Bernie's only card to hold over their heads.

but having that hanging over their heads as a possibility, strategically speaking, might inspire the super delegates to respect the popular vote, is all I'm saying. A controversial issue to be sure, just thinking out loud.

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if he does not get the Republican nomination?

Trump as a 3rd party, wow, that would be disgusting as hell but might also help the Dem nominee. Hard to predict.

I'm so sick of that guy and the media's fixation on him! I was already cynical, but our nation's power structure, especially including the media, has never revealed its rotten core to this extent. 100% disgusting and a huge part of the problem.

The other side of that coin is watching them scratch their heads that the Clinton campaign is struggling, and looking around wondering if there isn't someone, anyone (but Bernie) who could step in and save the party. Bernie's figuratively standing right there, seemingly invisible, as they talk like he doesn't exist.

We're up against incredible odds, yet Bernie still rises.

I fear that reflects badly on us.

I don't think enough superdelegates are dumb enough to override a popular vote win. They know that it means huge D losses in the general.

So there's no need to threaten. Besides, there's nothing stopping him from doing it if the superdelegates turn out to be that dumb.

but I want them to think that he might do it if they overturn a nomination of him, is all.

That is 1/5 of the voting that has no accountability.
They grossly distort the democratic process of the primary.

However, since the party is also against primary challenges, esp to incumbents, that, too, is difficult.