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mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 05:12 PM Aug 2015

In the words of Senator Sanders, personal and political horse race attacks

are not among "the great issues facing our society"

"The American people want a discussion of the real issues. They don’t really care that Marco Rubio threw a football and hit some kid in the head. Not one of the great issues facing our society." Bernie Sanders

How many of the anti-Sanders attacks we see and hear daily both on DU and elsewhere qualify as "not one of the great issues facing our society"? How many of these attacks focus on Sanders' stands on the issues facing the 99%?

I suggest the simple reply "not one of the great issues facing our society" would work wonders in keeping some discussions here and elsewhere on track.

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In the words of Senator Sanders, personal and political horse race attacks (Original Post) mhatrw Aug 2015 OP
K&R - I like that. nt 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #1
Sounds like a plan. n/t sarge43 Aug 2015 #2
I also like that. MuseRider Aug 2015 #3
Off topic artislife Aug 2015 #5
Sure, I get asked about it now and again. MuseRider Aug 2015 #6
That would be a cool tat! artislife Aug 2015 #7
LOL I mostly listen MuseRider Aug 2015 #9
Good idea! nt Live and Learn Aug 2015 #4
Excellent idea. I'm going to use this. L0oniX Aug 2015 #8
I respect Bernie Sanders' desire to talk about the issues. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #10
Well, I don't like corporate candidates, either. mhatrw Aug 2015 #11

MuseRider

(34,115 posts)
3. I also like that.
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 05:23 PM
Aug 2015

I am getting fearfully tired of answering the same overused attacks phrased differently so to seem new (or not).

My brain wants to move on and learn something.

MuseRider

(34,115 posts)
6. Sure, I get asked about it now and again.
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 10:10 PM
Aug 2015

I am a musician and play clarinet in our symphony. That is all. I have often thought about getting a tattoo of it. I may someday on my wrist perhaps.

Thanks for asking. I love it.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
7. That would be a cool tat!
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 10:21 PM
Aug 2015

I listen to my local NPR that plays a lot of jazz. I drove to Portland and the horns made the music. It helped when the traffic was going slower than 25 mph.

MuseRider

(34,115 posts)
9. LOL I mostly listen
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 11:03 PM
Aug 2015

to books or Broadway tunes!

My sons are both professional jazz musicians

EDIT to add, so what kind of art is your life? Sorry about the thread jack, PM me I guess

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
10. I respect Bernie Sanders' desire to talk about the issues.
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 12:18 AM
Aug 2015

But let's face it, when you have a candidate who takes millions of dollars from corporate America, some for herself and some for a foundation that she and her family run at a time when corporate money is corrupting politics, there is a very thin line between issues and persons.

Sorry.

Many Americans do not trust Hillary Clinton. I'm one of them.

Bernie Sanders may not want to talk about her, but I will.

And I will also talk about all the policies that the Bill Clinton administration signed onto that I find utterly regrettable.

I won't talk about the fact that her son-in-law works for a hedge fund or any of the personal garbage that she seems to accumulated on her resume over the course of her life.

But the Republicans will come the general election contest.

So, I think we should be putting the likely arguments of the Republicans on the table now so that Democratic voters can decide for themselves whether we want to risk our nomination on a candidate who is, I'm certain a kind and charming lady, but who has so many negatives.

I get the fact that the Hillary fans want to silence any criticism of their candidate. But many of the facts they want to suppress are relevant to the issues of this campaign. Where she acquired her wealth? From whom? Why they give her money?

When she passes money on to other candidates is that a form of influence buying? Is that why so many Democrats flock to endorse her? Probably not, but????

How can she claim to oppose Citizens United when she holds donor dinners at over $2000 per plate?

Then there is the fact is that she has a lot of very weak areas when it comes to her ability to campaign and her past policies.

For one thing, there is the flag issue. Now I would never choose to burn an American flag. Fartherest thing from my mind.

But let's remember the controversy at the time, 2005, not long ago, when Hillary Clinton co-sponsored a bill in Congress that would have burning a flag illegal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_Protection_Act_of_2005

I think that is a waste of congressional time.

Then there is the unforgettable vote on the Iraq War and her speech on marriage between a man and a woman.

With Hillary Clinton, how do you distinguish between some of the burning policy issues and her personal conduct and past stances? Where do you draw the line when you say you don't want discussion of personality issues?

Are we just supposed to ignore the potential conflicts of interest that Hillary has piled up in her life?

What does sticking to policy issues mean with a candidate who has such a controversial past as Hillary?

mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
11. Well, I don't like corporate candidates, either.
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 11:42 AM
Aug 2015

I'd rather talk about that in general than anybody specifically.

Because, like voting machines and wealth disparity, that is one of the major issues facing our democracy.

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