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LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 09:06 AM Sep 2015

Sanders Leads Clinton By 9 in N.H., Gains in Iowa: NBC News Poll

http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/marist-poll-n422111

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Bernie Sanders has jumped out to a nine-point lead over front-runner Hillary Clinton in New Hampshire, and he's gained ground on her among Iowa voters in the Democratic presidential race, according to a pair of brand-new NBC News/Marist polls.

In New Hampshire, the Vermont senator gets the support of 41 percent of Democratic voters, Clinton gets 32 percent and Vice President Joe Biden gets 16 percent. No other Democratic candidate receives more than 1 percent.
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Sanders Leads Clinton By 9 in N.H., Gains in Iowa: NBC News Poll (Original Post) LiberalElite Sep 2015 OP
Love it! peacebird Sep 2015 #1
Going the right way Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #2
Every second people are waking up!!!!! orpupilofnature57 Sep 2015 #3
Fantastic - No Citizen Need Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious Sep 2015 #4
Bernie's plateau is defective....it tilts upward virtualobserver Sep 2015 #5
The TRUTH is a very powerful thing! Indepatriot Sep 2015 #6
You got that correct! SoapBox Sep 2015 #9
Fortunately, elections are not about DU posts. merrily Sep 2015 #12
"Polls this far out mean nothing", "Hillary has a Southern firewall","She's locking up super..." Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #15
Amen..... daleanime Sep 2015 #21
Actually, this indicates fewer people say, "Who?" when hearing his name. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #33
Whoo Hoo! Doing the happy dance this morning! Divernan Sep 2015 #7
That's a good point. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #16
Common sense and mainstream... SoapBox Sep 2015 #8
In the information/social network age, people around the world demand change. Divernan Sep 2015 #11
NO! NO! NO! left-of-center2012 Sep 2015 #10
The secret to effective arm waving merrily Sep 2015 #14
And... SoapBox Sep 2015 #17
My flibbertygibbit post probably had nothing to do with the lock. merrily Sep 2015 #19
May we still ROFL at sublime sarcasm? Betty Karlson Sep 2015 #24
This is part of Ichingcarpenter Sep 2015 #13
Yay! PotatoChip Sep 2015 #18
Biden is not a fucking candidate! blackspade Sep 2015 #20
Someone yesterday posted this in LBN - it includes not only Biden but GORE LiberalElite Sep 2015 #25
The M$M is desparate to have someone else to talk about besides blackspade Sep 2015 #30
Actually, they're trying to dismiss Bernie as the top "Not Clinton" choice. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #35
Let's keep the momentum going forward! eom Duval Sep 2015 #22
In my POLL.................... ............................. turbinetree Sep 2015 #23
Still gonna call her "front-runner" though a2liberal Sep 2015 #26
Heh. More whistling past the graveyard... eom LiberalElite Sep 2015 #27
Keep the Bern going! leftcoastmountains Sep 2015 #28
Please describe front runner. juajen Sep 2015 #40
Interesting thing about the poll... HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #29
Yes, she's got trouble, right there in River City, and that starts with "T" Divernan Sep 2015 #31
LULZ! although I'd say: and that starts with "B".... LiberalElite Sep 2015 #39
People talking to people Babel_17 Sep 2015 #32
Yesterday at Berning Manhattan LiberalElite Sep 2015 #41
Without Democratic debates, people are prone to think that candidates in the news are Republicans Babel_17 Sep 2015 #42
OOOH NOOOES!!!!! IT'S ANOTHER OUTLIER!!!!!!! magical thyme Sep 2015 #34
Yay! lonestarnot Sep 2015 #36
Hillary Clinton will win, but it will be a battleground NYCButterfinger Sep 2015 #37
What a dreamy happy butterfinger world you're living in. Bernie's got this. Ed Suspicious Sep 2015 #43
It's the portable goalposts. HubertHeaver Sep 2015 #45
This group is for supporters of Bernie Sanders. smokey nj Sep 2015 #51
Bernie!! AzDar Sep 2015 #38
Gives me hope. 840high Sep 2015 #44
Naaah, not possible. SheilaT Sep 2015 #46
Isn't that called a 19 point swing tomm2thumbs Sep 2015 #47
It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that SWING!!!! Indepatriot Sep 2015 #50
Yup, and Bernie's heading to South Carolina next week. Major Hogwash Sep 2015 #52
The thing is..this is not about dissing Hillary LiberalLovinLug Sep 2015 #48
Hm... we're gonna have to make a new "rear view mirror" pic soon. cui bono Sep 2015 #49
The approach will have to change with Bernie in the lead. salib Sep 2015 #53
We've been getting plenty of practice here at DU LiberalElite Sep 2015 #54
 

Indepatriot

(1,253 posts)
6. The TRUTH is a very powerful thing!
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 09:35 AM
Sep 2015

Countdown to HRC supporters claiming "right wing/left wing pollster, Nate sez they suck, they didn't poll enough minorities", ad nausea.....3, 2, 1,......

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
15. "Polls this far out mean nothing", "Hillary has a Southern firewall","She's locking up super..."
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 10:15 AM
Sep 2015

etc, etc, etc.

As I recently posted elsewhere, no individual poll done now means much in the big scheme, but it's like weather and climate. You can detect trends in the polls, and we're in political climate change. Wherever Bernie goes, his numbers go up, Hillary's go down.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
7. Whoo Hoo! Doing the happy dance this morning!
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 09:39 AM
Sep 2015

"Without Biden in the race, Sanders' lead over Clinton in the current survey increases to 11 points, 49 percent to 38 percent."

Meanwhile, over at HRC headquarters, cue that scene from The Wizard of Oz:

"You cursed Sandonistas! Look what you've done! I'm melting! I'm m e-e-e-e-elting!"

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
16. That's a good point.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 10:28 AM
Sep 2015

Taking Biden out of things doesn't automatically bump Hillary up, even though they overlap on the political spectrum. Benie actually took more than half of the 'Biden' voters when he's out of the picture, suggesting that Bidenites are split at best, but generally not interested in Hillary even if she is more ideologically like him.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
8. Common sense and mainstream...
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 09:45 AM
Sep 2015

That is Bernie's message.

American's are hungry for real change.

Go Bernie!

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
11. In the information/social network age, people around the world demand change.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 09:58 AM
Sep 2015

Look at what just happened in Guatemala!

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/from-president-to-prison-otto-perez-molina-and-a-day-for-hope-in-guatemala

Otto Pérez Molina, who resigned from the Guatemalan Presidency on Wednesday night, almost at the stroke of midnight, now sits as an ordinary accused criminal in Guatemala’s Matamoros Prison, in Guatemala City. His arrest is the result of the Guatemalan Justice Department, working in close collaboration with the United Nations International Commission against Impunity in Guatemala, or CICIG, investigating a corruption scheme known as La Linea, in which the Guatemalan customs agency offered importers greatly reduced tariffs in exchange for kickbacks that were shared among dozens of government officials.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
10. NO! NO! NO!
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 09:55 AM
Sep 2015

Bernie has peaked and begun to fizzle.
Polls don't matter.
Waving your arms and shouting is ineffective.
Huge crowds mean nothing.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
19. My flibbertygibbit post probably had nothing to do with the lock.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 10:44 AM
Sep 2015

The whole thread was about Bernie and/or Hillary. The hosts were right: it belonged in GD: P.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
13. This is part of
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 10:10 AM
Sep 2015

the Clinton strategy of downsizing her venue the day before her appearance. in New Hampshire to match her poll numbers in New Hampshire. Its very calculating.

turbinetree

(24,703 posts)
23. In my POLL.................... .............................
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 11:47 AM
Sep 2015

I'm 100% for The BERN , my little 1 vote is more important than a poll...................and just for
good measure, I am really proud that he took the mantle to walk with UNION members, families and supporters in Iowa

ISSUES, ISSUES and more of the ISSUES



Honk-----------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016





 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
29. Interesting thing about the poll...
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 12:17 PM
Sep 2015

in NH Biden pulls an impressive 16% despite not having entered the race. Without Biden's 16%, Sanders picks up 8% and Clinton picks up 6%, increasing Sanders lead to 11%.
In Iowa Biden pulls a strong 20%. IDK how the #s break down without Biden.
In any case, it appears Sanders isn't losing any momentum, and Clinton's support is continuing to wane. IMO she's in real trouble in those first two states.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
31. Yes, she's got trouble, right there in River City, and that starts with "T"
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 12:33 PM
Sep 2015

and that rhymes with "P" and that stands for Progressive, which she ain't.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
32. People talking to people
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 01:28 PM
Sep 2015

People talking to people is a very powerful tool. It being used to promote this campaign is part of the reason Senator Sanders is rising in the polls.

It's very difficult for the media to quantify that support so they are either mostly ignoring it, or just alluding to it. I see this as getting lots more attention when the media ramps its on the ground coverage of primary and caucus states.

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
41. Yesterday at Berning Manhattan
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 06:24 PM
Sep 2015

a NYPD officer asked me who's Bernie - so, I started with "Sanders" and then briefly told him what he was about - at that time I offered him a flyer but he didn't take it - so I went back to work and he went back to scanning the Times Sq. crowd. Later we got talking again and I told him more; he said: I'm for all that too - and then he took a flyer.

P.S.: This officer also asked me if Bernie was a Republican (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) I thought maybe he was kidding - you know that deadpan way of speaking that cops use. So I figured that was a fluke. A couple hours later someone else asked me if Bernie was a Republican!!! I told both of these people he's as far from a Republican as you can get. I wonder how many other people think he's a Republican.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
42. Without Democratic debates, people are prone to think that candidates in the news are Republicans
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 06:44 PM
Sep 2015

Off Topic, but if Biden enters I'd love to see him go on a "panel" with O'Malley and Sanders and then we could see if DWS had the chutzpah to bar them all from the debates.

Be interesting to see if President Obama then gave her a call. Assuming her phone hadn't melted from all the other, outraged, calls.

Off Topic, yet somewhat related.

 

NYCButterfinger

(755 posts)
37. Hillary Clinton will win, but it will be a battleground
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 05:07 PM
Sep 2015

It's going to get more tough. New Hampshire and Iowa, Bernie Sanders can win, but Hillary Clinton will do well in the Rustbelt and the South.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
46. Naaah, not possible.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 08:59 PM
Sep 2015

After all, we've been assured that Bernie peaked at least a couple of weeks ago, and besides, Hillary Is Inevitable.

Right?

Who was that lady who was running in 2008 who was assured of the nomination? Whatever happened to her?

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
52. Yup, and Bernie's heading to South Carolina next week.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 02:26 AM
Sep 2015

If Bernie wins 3 primaries in a row, the momentum for him will grow exponentially from there.
No matter what the mainstream media is talking about!!

LiberalLovinLug

(14,174 posts)
48. The thing is..this is not about dissing Hillary
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 09:58 PM
Sep 2015

In fact IF she loses, it will be a sad day for everyone. But she had her chance. I remember admiring her for her push for a more social medical insurance plan when she was first lady. For her bold observation that there really was a " vast right wing conspiracy". For her standing by Bill when he made his mistake. Despite her past roles with Wallmart, I was willing to give her the benefit of the doubt when she publicly said her Iraq vote was a mistake.

All she had to do was hold fast. To reject corporate donations, to give support to unions, to reject the TPP, and act like someone that still supports traditional Democratic values. To throw off her husbands "third way" approach realizing that the other side has no desire to fulfill their part in the triangulation. But she decided to go the easy route, work the triangle and theoretically skate above the wanna-be's and the also-rans, by appealing to enough of the moderate right, moderate left and assuming the liberal voters would, even if holding their noses, vote for the lesser of the two evils which would take her over the top no problem.

Then people started hearing an odd thing from an unassuming man called Bernie Sanders. The truth. And its all unraveling. But it does not mean I do not have sympathy for her if she does lose. She, and her husband went through hell, and she does deserve better.

salib

(2,116 posts)
53. The approach will have to change with Bernie in the lead.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 03:46 AM
Sep 2015

All the vile will be directed toward him soon. And his supporters.

I think we are up to it. But look out.

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