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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 09:20 AM Sep 2015

Pope Francis, Bernie Sanders and the moral imperative of systemic change

Both men agree that the system is broken and radical transformation is necessary
September 21, 2015 2:00AM ET
by Gar Alperovitz

Two men in their 70s have been addressing massive crowds and sparking the imagination and passions of American progressives. Both have been featured on the cover of Time magazine.

On a first look, however, they couldn’t be more different. One is a Jewish-American self-proclaimed “democratic socialist” politician from Vermont; the other, a Catholic religious leader from Buenos Aires, Argentina. Bernie Sanders and Pope Francis, however, share a moral vision of the limitations and real-life repercussions of our current political-economic system as well as a sincere desire to change it.

This surprising intersection of political-economic ideas rooted in morality also reminds us that many people of the sixties generation not only have a history in common, but have become highly successful and moved into positions of considerable influence. Moreover, the huge response in America, to the Sanders campaign in particular, tells us something important not only about the state of this country, but also about what people with conviction can accomplish, despite their age. The moral courage in the face of systemic challenges demonstrated by both leaders recalls the sixties generation they are both a product of; Sanders as a civil rights activist amidst intense social turmoil and the Pope as a young religious leader during a time of military dictatorship and right-wing death squads.

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http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2015/9/pope-francis-bernie-sanders-and-the-moral-imperative-of-systemic-change.html

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Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
2. Important post and trend of the times
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 10:59 AM
Sep 2015

thanks I was gonna post this too


BTW
too bad your toon got deleted........... I loved it......LOL

merrily

(45,251 posts)
3. Irony: I had originally planned to post: "Cartoon is ok, but the way Hillary is drawn seems
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 11:06 AM
Sep 2015

potentially sexist to me."

However, I was distracted by the attempts to shame the OP. After that ended, I typed the post, but, when I hit Post, learned that the OP had been hidden, so my post about the cartoon could not appear.

It can be disconcerting when something gets hidden because of something the OP never posted, but because OTHER things done by the same person are objectionable.

If that were the standard, none of the poetry of anti-Semite and all around nut case, but amazing poet, Ezra Pound, for example, would have seen the light of day.

Oh, well.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
5. What I assumed, but thanks. It's a tad 1984 at best.
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 11:11 AM
Sep 2015

A person who is not a Sanders supporter was the only reason an indisputably objectionable cartoon appeared on the thread to begin with, but a group memeber got the hide.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
7. The strategy of attacking the messenger, and not the message, is an old one
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 11:57 AM
Sep 2015

I figured the toon would be attacked because of who drew it, and I was right. But I posted it anyway because the message, of a lack of enthusiasm for HRC, was spot on.

Maybe if someone 'acceptable' like Luckovich or Toles does the same toon, it will be allowed.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
8. Candidly, I was not a fan of the way Hillary was drawn. Nonetheless, the hide was downright creepy.
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 12:02 PM
Sep 2015

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
6. There is a tide of change sweeping across the world and it is AGAINST neo-liberal policies
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 11:37 AM
Sep 2015

and of course neo'con policies, that has so decimated entire societies.

I think we are going through a really historical period, the people are recovering from the 'shock and awe' policies that ravaged nations with war and with Economic Terrorism.

And globally, the people are beginning to gain some ground and are fighting back.

History seems to provide leaders at times like these.

The US can either choose to be part of these global changes, or elect a member of the Status Quo and be left behind as the rest of the world moves forward.

We should be leading the way, since we led the way into the devastation that has destroyed so many lives. But will we?

I guess we shall see.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
9. The global elite have been preparing for a push back.
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 04:57 AM
Sep 2015

They probably wonder why we haven't responded sooner.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
12. The first signs were in Europe when demonstrators choose an old method of
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 11:48 AM
Sep 2015

protest, occupying the public square. I believe it happened first in Spain. Then finally, the US joined in when they organized a similar kind of protest/movement with Occupy Wall St and it spread across the country and the world.

The rapid response from the Oligarchs, both here and in Europe, the brutal crackdowns that looked identical across Europe and here complete with militarized police, was a sigh of how determined they were AND ready as you said, to crack down on any uprisings against them.

Someone recently said that OWS was the 'seed' and that Bernie is the 'fruit' of this global movement against them.

They are frightened, that's for sure, but also brutal and will stop at nothing to win.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
11. You see it as I do, Sabrina.
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 11:41 AM
Sep 2015

I hadn't read the thread before commenting, and so it was good to see that others are feeling the change as it begins to spread.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
10. They are what the world needs at this time: genuine moral leadership.
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 11:36 AM
Sep 2015

I believe it's no accident that these two people have risen to ascendance at this time in history. For the past 30+ years, we've experienced the ascendance of rightwing ideology which is immoral to the core and has nearly killed us. Rightwing propaganda oozes hatred and fear; it divides people and sets them against one another. It also elevates money and power for public veneration. These are some of the ways to recognize it.

On a smaller level, I think Stephen Colbert and Jon Stewart were/are voices of peace, generosity, and inclusion. If we look around, we will probably find other such voices who are finding their way into public consciousness and helping to turn us in a more life-affirming direction.

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