Bernie Sanders
Related: About this forumAre there any actual policy distinctions between Sanders and Clinton on *EDUCATION*?
I'm thinking in terms of things like these:
"NLCB, RTTP, Common Core, de-unionization, hedge-funded charters, piecemeal privatization, mandatory, routinized overtesting, ed policy driven by megabillioniares like Gates and Walmart, etc. etc. etc." ( I'm quoting myself from an earlier post in May.)
I'm trying to get certain ed activists more involved in backing Sanders but I need to see some more DAYLIGHT between the two ( and so do THEY) on *EDUCATION* specifically. (Yes. No easy feat; I realize that HRC's strategy on virtually EVERYTHING is to allow for as little "daylight" as possible at this point and then run "like a thief" to the right once the nomination is secured. But let's take a cold hard look at this anyway.)
Any links to any thoughtful , 3rd party, online commentary or analysis on the subject will be most appreciated as well.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)is his opposition to NCLB:
More here:
http://dianeravitch.net/2015/07/12/bernie-sanders-on-education/
Here is HRC: Her replies to the questions are not quite so succint, so it's hard to find a single <snip>, but here are a few:
But I understand the frustration many parents and educators feel about tests. Teachers and parents alike are concerned about the amount of time being spent on test preparation, and worry that children are missing out on the most valuable experience in the classroom a teacher sparking a students curiosity and love for learning.
So I am mindful that we need to find the right balanceand that starts with bringing parents and educators back into this conversation about how we ensure a robust and engaging curriculum that engages students in the love of learning rather than narrowing our schools to focus primarily on test preparation.
Much more:
http://dianeravitch.net/2015/07/12/hillary-clinton-on-education/
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)Capitalism strives to streamline everything to reduce costs as much as possible while producing something. To identify areas where things can be streamlined, metrics(business measurements) are put into place. Once something has not met predicted results, adjustments that fit into the theme of streamlining are tried. Curriculum, instructors, and students who are perceived as detrimental to the streamline process are abandoned as having no worth. Capitalism always tries to get the utmost while investing the least.
Capitalism(and it's adherents) is so arrogant as to insist it is the pinnacle of human achievement, the best possible practice in all cases.
This is not so. Socialism works better in certain cases. Education, healthcare, corrections(incarceration), the military, public roads and rails, waste treatment, environmental protections, land management, justice, to name a few.
Within education, those persons wise in the ways of capitalism, attempts to produce a product; an educated human. They gauge the effectiveness of the product by how well it will further the cause of capitalism. Can it be a worker? Can it be a manager? Can it finance ongoing capitalism? Nothing else counts.
Education is not a product, it is the journey. Humans never stop learning, we just stop going to school for increments of time.
bbgrunt
(5,281 posts)It's easy to be against excessive testing, but vouchers, charters and privatization is a big big area that no one is talking about. Also the developing teacher shortages in many states should be a concern.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)when she was First Lady. My history teacher, a yellowdog Democrat who could hardly hide his glee at Nixon's imminent downfall during the Watergate Hearings that we watched in class, and who took me to my first Jefferson-Jackson Day picnic, was absolutely livid about Hillary's "meddling", as he put it. Apparently, he was told that his classes, which were taught in large part based on contemporary letters, newspaper articles, photographs, etc., had to follow an approved textbook, which, of course, leaves out a lot of embarassing or otherwise unwhitewashed details.
Bernin4U
(812 posts)For a thinking person to take her policies du jour with anything but a grain of salt, means they've probably already decided on her. They're now just looking for excuses not to sound like a complete dolt.
A more valid exercise should be to examine the rushed endorsements by the AFE and NEA teachers' unions. Clearly due to Hillary's close ties to union leadership, just as she tries to run a rigged game with her ties to (the losers in) DNC leadership.
I have yet to talk to a teacher who doesn't say their biggest grief is top-down pedagogy, driven by politically-motivated administrators, while ignoring teachers' needs. I can't think of a better "politics as usual" personification than Hillary.