Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

who "want it ALL".. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

Thanks 99th Monkey....great post!

and thanks to my gf Kate too, who turned me onto it, who also just changed her
registration from Independent to Democrat so she can vote for Bernie!

My best friend is a Bernie supporter who is registered as an Independent. I need to talk to him about that.

Lets be strategic!

Love it! Can't imagine how happy they are there. Hopefully, we will be in the same place come November 2016!

We've got the perfect mascot out there on the hood - if we can just keep the other 99% of the vehicle pushin' that mascot to it's destination!

Doing at least one Bernie event a week

No political party stays in power forever. Meanwhile the conservatives were reelected in Great Britain. It is all about cyclical politics and nothing else.

Time for a new deal.

Which means state legislatures must go DEM. And it will be 2022 before the US House can reflect this.

Bring back the 50 State strategy.

and will put someone in to implement it. That would NOT be Dean who has sold out.

Seriously, Bernie has amply demonstrated to me, and many other supporters, that he
has the capacity to draw votes from millions of independents, disaffected non-voters,
AND .. perhaps more importably.. from Republicans.

Exhibit A: His speech at Liberty University, that inspired several notable Evangelicals to
heap praise on him for his impressive directness, his integrity & honesty.

Exhibit B. The fact that he pulls something like 21% of REPUBLICAN voters in his own state
of Vermont, the people who know him best, and who have come to trust him regardless of
"party loyalty".

Exhibit C: If Bernie's amazing phenomenal campaign has demonstrated anything, it's that
the more voters KNOW Bernie, the more they like him; and this has happened despite the
indisputable fact that the M$M has tried their damnedest to totally ignore him, unless it's
to snark and insinuate something negative about him or his campaign.

I'm sure there are more 'exhibits' but i'll leave it at that for now.

My point is, that 2016 is not a 'business as usual' election year.

All. Bets. Are. Off.

And one week of "Hillary Won the Debate" news cycles and bam, she's up and he's down in the polls. Imagine when they really let fly.

I will say that it's good that socialism and single-payer etc. is at least getting mentions and air-time, so people are at least getting exposed to these concepts, in spite of the de facto media embargo on these things. But I do not believe that will be enough to counter the onslaught when/if Bernie becomes an actual threat to the status quo.

I think Bernie will continue to do better and better, over-all, as people really
get to know him. i could be wrong, but that's what i think for now.

Now is the time for a real progressive populist movement, but the message needs to be clear and not overly complex and it needs to be repeated over and over to drive it home into the minds of the people.

Then Bernie will win.

We've seen the same movie before.

that were gerrymandered for rethugs to win by just a few points. Will be watching those places very intently.

by a federal judge to be redrawn?

Your end times are here, too!

The world will get some relief. I think we've had our fill of corruption and RW policies to last for many generations to come.

So I am not sure what you are getting at.

London (AFP) - Veteran socialist Jeremy Corbyn was elected leader of Britain's Labour opposition on Saturday in a landslide victory that puts an anti-austerity figure at the helm of a major UK party.

http://news.yahoo.com/uks-labour-expected-anoint-leftist-corbyn-leader-075108190.html

solid majority. Corbin will probably never be PM. And he already faces a revolt from Blairites in his own party.

....and Corbyn was in the hot seat for a while, and he was AMAZING. Tough as a bulldog. Tough, tough, tough. I loved it.

Can you imagine any Teabagger subjected to all that questioning? They would be like deer caught in the headlights!

I wish I would have seen Corbyn having a go at it! It's so freakin' entertaining to watch.

It's really fun to watch when the Prime Ministers are there and again, could you ever imagine GEORGE W. BUSH ever having to stand up for that? Hell no!

Alberta is like the Texas of Canada

"would have coat-tails the size of Texas"

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They call them "ridings," and the only two that the Liberals (Trudeau) won were in suburban Calgary. No other party took any of the ridings.

The "socialist" NDP premier they have didn't seem to have long coattails.

warn Harper to wait on TPP to after the election? How does it get ratified there now?

Great post!

It would be best to be prudent and safe and go with conventional wisdom and avoid scary words like"Democratic Socialist" and "Noraway". America just isn't ready, we need to study it more.

Will we - the uninformed, unthinking, lazy, ignorant, believe-everything-we-are-told - ever be so lucky?

It will take our 75,000,000 millennials to do it. And who is the one single progressive who has - right now - the energetic and excited support of TWO-THIRDS of the millennials?

Canada did it! WHY NOT US?!

Interesting conversation.

I'm old enough to remember Pierre Trudeau (remember his so-called controversial wife, Margaret?)

This is the second generation Trudeau. The Canadian election wasn't so much about him winning as it was about Harper's "tea party, light" conservative party blowing it and becoming the real losers.

The Canadian people were more like to cotton on to the ideas of bringing themselves back from an early recession. They will have a progressive tax system that will adjust up their 1% tax bracket to 35% (not as high as we aim to do as much in the U.S.) They will also aim to provide a 1.5% reduction to the middle class. They will no doubt legalize cannabis, as the Western provinces are pretty good at growing the best in the world. That should go far along with rebuilding the infrastructure. The only unknown is how the XL pipeline was some kind of agreement (I cannot believe this was) and who knows what is to come from that. I'm betting it gets bogged down with the progressive agenda.

I'm ecstatic! We are seeing a movement that only echoes what the United States voter wants. The reason you see all of this Hillary bloviation in GD-P is because of another Wall Street poll. To hell with these polls. We are striking a greatly needed chord within the continent.

We are going to continue this movement for one more reason... People around the world are ready for this change.

WE are the change agents.

I'm holding that candle with you

Go Bernie!

Well said. We have to be the change agents.

and rebuilding our middle class - & not voting under duress of fear.

Go Bernie!!

I've always thought of them as a bastion of sanity and couldn't stand to see what was happening to them under Harper.

Great news!

it's been about suppression of freedom for the benefit of the upper crust

But people knew, and the word spread. Now it's all about to topple.

2016 is a year to seize the moment ...... 1932 style!

Thanks for the thread, 99th Monkey.

What my friends and neighbours here in the Canadian Maritimes decided to do was flush Harper's conservatives...even though Trudeau is somewhat suspect...Canada has been raped by Harper for almost ten years...a group called Vote Together helped voters realize that they could not split their votes between the NDP and Liberals...the New Democrats are our socialists, who once led in the polls...But Canadians were convinced that the Liberals were their best choice...and today Justin Trudeau is our Prime Minister in waiting...until about Nov. 5...when the Liberals take control...

The American election cycle is very ignorant, lasting for years...in Canada...60 days...That means that us Bernie supporters have to keep working very hard for a very long time...Canada proves IT CAN BE DONE!!!

Yes, it will be a long haul, which actually may benefit Bernie, since he was "Bernie who?"
in the beginning, not so much now, and the more people get to know about him, the more
he keeps gaining.

Yes, the shit-storm of "SOCIALIST/COMMUNIST!" will come, has actually already begun, thanks
to Trump; but I trust Team Bernie will step up and educate the American public about how we
can reclaim our nation from it's Oligarchy, such that there's a much more level playing field and
everyone actually pays their fair share of taxes to make it happen.

Woot!

Please!

This is a very exciting time to be alive.

"You can have the same neoliberalism, security state, lack of action on climate change you've always had, but it can be represented by someone with a different haircut". Don't be fooled at all by the impression that anything substantial has changed in Canada. The only thing improved is that scientists will no longer be muzzled - just called "sanctimonious" instead - and that, where it was impossible to fight the Conservatives, as they were radical, evidence-free ideologues who deliberately ignored huge sections of the population that weren't likely to vote for them, the Liberals instead are value-free "politicians" in the most pejorative sense, and so MAY cave if they are fought loudly and openly enough. Canadians need to get ready to fight, soon, or we're fucked.

Some of the feel gooders in this thread have their heads buried in the sand unfortunately.

One little note is that 50% of Canadians have college degrees. This is an indication, at least to me, that Canadians on the whole are a wee bit smarter then US citizens. Smart folks vote Liberal!

So, if you're smart, vote for BERNIE!

😀

They lost seats and lost their status as the official opposition. The Liberal Party is a centrist party. They support the Keystone Pipeline and the TPP. They are better than the Cons but not by much.

aggh really .. the TPP too? I'd heard about Keystone. crap.

You really know how to spoil a good party

Just trying to keep it real.

The NDP (think Paul Wellstone Democrats) took a bath on Monday.

Lots of Canadians "voted strategically," thinking that a Liberal win was the most likely way to be rid of Harper.

Add on edit: this may actually deserve its own thread.

The NDP got caught on the wrong side of the wave of anti-Harper sentiment, in the sense that they have for years been heading in the direction of Tony Blair / Bill Clinton / PASOK / etc. and were therefore unable to campaign with the force of Sanders / Corbyn / Syriza, etc.. The NDP campaign here was extremely weak - embarrassing for progressives, to be honest, and they were absolutely unable to capture the imagination of the public. What alternative is there when you accept that there is no alternative?

In Canada, we gave too much power to Harper as a figure. I think in the US you have an advantage in that, no matter how crappy your mass media is, the framing will not likely end up being "we need to vote for anyone but Trump". No Republican contender has that kind of power. I just hope that gloating over how inept the Republicans have become does not sap too much energy. From here in Canada, it looks like what matters down there is the fight over the soul of the Democratic Party. Bernie Sanders has given that party a tremendous gift in showing that that soul is worth fighting for.

I super-appreciate the back & forth with Canadians about their experience, and comparing it
to ours in the US.

I especially appreciate how your post shines some important light on how the NPD was
not really as "uber-Progressive" as some others have suggested; AND how it hadlost any major
appeal to voters precisely for that reason: it's endemic lack of vitality -- unlike Bernie Sanders'
amazingly energetic & still growing campaign for the US Presidency ..

So thanks for the input.

From what I heard, the NDP lost a lot of their support because they made the mistake of trying to run on 'fiscal responsibility' as it were. They wanted to balance the countries budget. Is that right? I remember hearing that Trudeau (sp?) of the Liberals campaigned on increased spending to stimulate the economy. It seems to me that, if true, this was a repudiation of the austerity policies that have been prevalent all through Europe and the U.S. and we have been starting to see that repudiation lately in other places like Greece and the UK. I think this bodes well for Bernie as he campaigns on increase spending on infrastructure and jobs programs.

Well, Mulcair (leader of the NDP) did say that the NDP was going to balance the budget, and that allowed Trudeau the chance to tell people the NDP were going to usher in cuts and austerity (apparently he used the term "austérité" in Québec, where it would hurt the NDP the most and where, apparently, people actually talk about austerity!). I think the "fiscal responsibility" pledge did have something significant to do with the NDP's failure, but it's one of several things. I'd say it was part of a weak campaign where the NDP were trying to appear as unthreatening and conservative as they could. It took them forever to come out against the TPP given that Wikileaks had leaked three draft chapters, and even then they hedged about it (i.e. Mulcair was "enthusiastic about trade with our Pacific partners" in August, but then said "we won't be bound by" the TPP quite some time after that - way too late to do the ground work explaining what the TPP was even about). No warnings about the Investor-State dispute system. No mentions about possibly having to privatize Canada Post and the CBC. Nothing like "We oppose anti-democratic omnibus corporate coups like the TPP". What was their stance on pipelines and oil sands expansion? Well, it depends which pipeline. They offered an affordable child-care plan, which made sense, but if you looked closer you'd find it would be in place in eight years. Okay. Better than nothing. Better than the Liberals. Nothing to get too excited about.

I'm not sure how much a rejection of austerity was involved as much as people just recognizing the benefits, or just the appeal, of basic Keynesian stimulus. I'd be a little worried if Sanders was campaigning on balanced budgets, but he has enough else going on that I'd vote for him even if he did.

As goes America, so goes Canada. with a little lag time. Harper was Bush/Cheney clone.

Liberals are on a run, the pendulum has swung back from the right.

The fucking Republicans have gerrymandered themselves into the majority party. The whole we're the majority crap is pure BS. If we had a real democracy that would be obvious.

This sticks in the craw of many Democrats who are fed up with DNC capitulations to
GOP dirty tricks.

Go Bernie!!

right here in Texas.

Karl Rove rigged an election to get his idol GWB elected Governor. The Democratic Party never bothered questioning the results (I personally believe they were complicit).

To be honest, it goes back a little farther. The GOP pushed evangelical candidates into school boards and city councils. As long as you put God in the equation, these dimwits allowed all manner of atrocities to creep into our laws.

We no longer have a two party political system. We have a Corporatocracy that rules under two banners.