Bernie Sanders

antigop

(12,778 posts) Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:20 PM Oct 2015

25 Unfounded Myths Being Spread About Bernie by The Clinton Machine

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/30/1442863/-25-Unfounded-Myths-Being-Spread-About-Bernie-by-The-Clinton-Machine

Myth 1: Bernie is too far to the left
Myth 2: Bernie is unelectable
Myth 3: Bernie will split the vote
Myth 4: Bernie doesn’t deserve our support because he isn’t a Democrat
Myth 5: Bernie can’t get any endorsements
Myth 6: Debates don’t matter
Myth 7: Clinton won the debate
Myth 8: Bernie is weak on foreign policy
Myth 9: Bernie is a gun nut
Myth 10: Bernie only appeals to progressive white men
Myth 11: Bernie is not strong on LGBTQ issues
Myth 12: Bernie is anti-woman
Myth 13: Bernie is anti-immigrant, anti-Latino
Myth 14: Bernie is racist
Myth 15: Bernie doesn’t have enough experience
Myth 16: Bernie’s supporters are bad for the party
Myth 17: Clinton is just as progressive as Bernie
Myth 18: Bernie won’t be able to work with Congress
Myth 19: Bernie can’t get things done
Myth 20: Bernie is too old
Myth 21: Bernie is a Socialist
Myth 22: Bernie is too far behind to catch up
Myth 23: Bernie can't fundraise
Myth 24: Bernie’s proposals are too expensive
Myth 25: The campaign is over, Clinton has already won

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25 Unfounded Myths Being Spread About Bernie by The Clinton Machine (Original Post) antigop Oct 2015 OP

Those myths are all over DU Autumn Oct 2015 #1

To be fair #21 is half-true. 99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #2

but they don't mention the "Democratic" part antigop Oct 2015 #3

Of course 99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #4

The word that terrifies me is... SoapBox Oct 2015 #7

Well regulated Capitalism is not a bad thing but BeanMusical Oct 2015 #9

When half of your base can only muster "meh" no big deal about your most controversial aspect ToxMarz Oct 2015 #13

You are totally overlooking Bernie's appeal to Republican voters 99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #14

You're in the wrong group. This group is for supporters of smokey nj Oct 2015 #17

Ok, but I didn't say anything bad about Bernie, unless he and his supporters stand for nothing other ToxMarz Oct 2015 #18

Yeah Plucketeer Oct 2015 #11

I'll cross post this in GD-P pinebox Oct 2015 #5

And done! pinebox Oct 2015 #6

Kicked and Recced. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #10

K & R AzDar Oct 2015 #8

Clinton machine? SCVDem Oct 2015 #12

If things get too tight for Hillary I really expect this to be next... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #15

I have a FB acquaintance (can't call him a LibDemAlways Oct 2015 #16

Autumn

(45,120 posts)

1. Those myths are all over DU

Reply to antigop (Original post)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:23 PM

Oct 2015

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)

2. To be fair #21 is half-true.

Reply to antigop (Original post)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:29 PM

Oct 2015

He is a self-proclaimed Democratic Socialist, and not shy about saying it.

antigop

(12,778 posts)

3. but they don't mention the "Democratic" part

Reply to 99th_Monkey (Reply #2)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:39 PM

Oct 2015

No, he’s a Democratic Socialist, which is as radical as Social Security and Medicare. We know the conservative media is going to be fear peddling and hate mongering about “socialism” in the general election, just like they’ve been doing to Obama for 8 years now. Not only has that blind attack lost all meaning (doubled stock markets, record corporate profits, falling unemployment, “free trade” promotion, cuts to deficit, etc.), but it is actually useful to us to get attacked this way as it puts the focus back on popular public programs that have a positive impact on the lives of real people. We can judo this and use their attacks against them by pointing out that conservative Republicans want to cut, privatize, or kill democratic socialism programs like Social Security and Medicare, while we want to expand them. That is precisely the debate and framing we want. And if you want to cut, privatize, or kill those programs, I’d argue you are a DINO to begin with and should leave the party.

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)

4. Of course

Reply to antigop (Reply #3)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:56 PM

Oct 2015

But it's worth noting that Bernie has dramatically de-stigmatized the word. Not completely,
but still .. when pollsters ask questions like "could you ever imagine voting for a Socialist?"
something like 1/2 of the Democrats were like "meh" no big deal. And this is when they
totally leave out the word "Democratic" in front of it.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)

7. The word that terrifies me is...

Reply to 99th_Monkey (Reply #4)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 01:51 PM

Oct 2015

CAPITALIST.

Brrrrrrr.....scary!

BeanMusical

(4,389 posts)

9. Well regulated Capitalism is not a bad thing but

Reply to SoapBox (Reply #7)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 02:00 PM

Oct 2015

Savage capitalism is horrifying, it is very close to fascism. Way too close for comfort.

ToxMarz

(2,169 posts)

13. When half of your base can only muster "meh" no big deal about your most controversial aspect

Reply to 99th_Monkey (Reply #4)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 02:30 PM

Oct 2015

It's not that encouraging for a general election. I don't agree he has dramatically de-stigmatized the word. Maybe he has opened the door to a needed discussion and understanding, but I don't think that conversation will reach the point it would need to in the next 12 months, not after a couple centuries and many generations of stigmatizing socialism and exalting capitalism. Most people aren't even paying that much attention, except the already converted and the never will be converted. Everyone else doesn't even engage for another 6 months or more.

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)

14. You are totally overlooking Bernie's appeal to Republican voters

Reply to ToxMarz (Reply #13)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 02:44 PM

Oct 2015

Hell, he gets like 21-25% of GOP votes in his own state, and more than a few Republicans are totally
disgusted with their 2016 primary candidates, and are changing their registration to Dem to vote in
the primary for Bernie..

They are drawn to how he exhudes integrity, directness, honesty, and so forth. They are mostly
the ones who remember how Ike, even Reagan, were somewhat sensible in their support for the
middle class, compared to today's nut-jobs.

smokey nj

(43,853 posts)

17. You're in the wrong group. This group is for supporters of

Reply to ToxMarz (Reply #13)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 03:32 PM

Oct 2015

Bernie Sanders.

ToxMarz

(2,169 posts)

18. Ok, but I didn't say anything bad about Bernie, unless he and his supporters stand for nothing other

Reply to smokey nj (Reply #17)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 10:55 PM

Oct 2015

than socialism. I challenged the allure and election potential of ONE issue, socialism. And I don't think Bernie is campaigning or believes that this ONE issue will win him the nomination or the general election. If that is so offensive to you then alert on me if you are incapable of just having a conversation.

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)

11. Yeah

Reply to antigop (Reply #3)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 02:26 PM

Oct 2015

"Democratic" is a lot of extra keystrokes!

pinebox

(5,761 posts)

5. I'll cross post this in GD-P

Reply to antigop (Original post)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 01:25 PM

Oct 2015

pinebox

(5,761 posts)

6. And done!

Reply to antigop (Original post)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 01:31 PM

Oct 2015

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251749920
That had to be said.

BeanMusical

(4,389 posts)

10. Kicked and Recced.

Reply to pinebox (Reply #6)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 02:07 PM

Oct 2015

Thanks for the link, I would probably have missed your thread. And yeah, it had to be said.

AzDar

(14,023 posts)

8. K & R

Reply to antigop (Original post)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 02:00 PM

Oct 2015

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)

12. Clinton machine?

Reply to antigop (Original post)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 02:29 PM

Oct 2015

It's hard remember we are on the same side.

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)

15. If things get too tight for Hillary I really expect this to be next...

Reply to antigop (Original post)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 02:45 PM

Oct 2015

He's NOT A CHRISTIAN!!!!

LibDemAlways

(15,139 posts)

16. I have a FB acquaintance (can't call him a

Reply to antigop (Original post)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 03:06 PM

Oct 2015

friend because he's more of a friend of a friend) who could have written that list. Sums up the pro-Hillary anti-Bernie mindset in a nutshell. Too bad ardent Hillary supporters aren't willing to stick to the issues that matter.

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