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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 12:26 PM Nov 2015

Why Bernie Sanders isn't a Democrat (Because the Party has Moved Right)

Updated by Ezra Klein

The usual question that gets asked about Bernie Sanders's political ideology is what does it mean that Sanders is a democratic socialist?

But the reverse question is, in some ways, more revealing: What does it mean that Bernie Sanders isn't a Democrat?

Sanders's ideas and voting record are pretty standard for a liberal Democrat. His big speech defining his ideology mostly quoted FDR — a Democrat — and laid out policies that put him squarely in the liberal mainstream. Indeed, according to Keith Poole and Howard Rosenthal's data, Sanders isn't even the Senate's most liberal Democrat right now — he trails Elizabeth Warren and Tammy Baldwin.

Moreover, the Vermont senator's life would, arguably, be easier if he were just a Democrat. He caucuses with Democrats in the Senate. He is running for the Democratic Party's presidential nomination. Democrats are one of this country's two major political parties, whereas there's no socialist movement in America to speak of.

So there's at least a bit of a mystery here. Sanders could call himself a Democrat — it would fit his ideology, and it would fit his ambitions. But he steadfastly refuses. Understanding why is, I think, crucial to understanding not just Sanders but his support.

Sanders doesn't believe Democrats are the party of the working class — at least not anymore

http://www.vox.com/2015/11/23/9781330/bernie-sanders-democrat

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Why Bernie Sanders isn't a Democrat (Because the Party has Moved Right) (Original Post) n2doc Nov 2015 OP
The reason I'm not either. leftcoastmountains Nov 2015 #1
Do you think that the Democratic Party is the party of the American working class? tecelote Nov 2015 #2
I was shocked again... SoapBox Nov 2015 #4
With the trends we've had the last few years.... daleanime Nov 2015 #9
I just look at him as totally mainstream. SoapBox Nov 2015 #3
Correction: the party APPARATUS has moved right BlueStreak Nov 2015 #5
Moved right? Phlem Nov 2015 #6
kick and rec NRaleighLiberal Nov 2015 #7
Personally Old Codger Nov 2015 #8
That's why I'm not pinebox Nov 2015 #10
This is Backwards. Bernie is a Democrat. The Democratic Party has become your daddy's Ferd Berfel Nov 2015 #11
And that goes for a lot of us. Especially us FDR Democrats. jwirr Nov 2015 #12
not even the party of the upper class, any more MisterP Nov 2015 #13
Interesting analysis. blackspade Nov 2015 #14
the Democratic party is where the Republican Party used to be... tk2kewl Nov 2015 #15
The Democrats used to be the Party of the working class but not anymore. Bernblu Nov 2015 #16

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
2. Do you think that the Democratic Party is the party of the American working class?
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 12:36 PM
Nov 2015

The Democrats, to a much-too-great degree, are separated from working families. Are the Democrats 10 times, 100 times, better on all of the issues than the Republicans? They surely are, but I think it would be hard to imagine if you walked out of here or walked down the street or went a few miles away from here and you stopped somebody on the street and you said, "Do you think that the Democratic Party is the party of the American working class?" People would look at you and say, "What are you talking about?"

- from the article

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The American working class is not supposed to be heard.

We should be grateful for what we have.

Bernie is the first true Democrat in a long time.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
4. I was shocked again...
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 12:43 PM
Nov 2015

When I saw something in an article this morning (about the SS cap)...

That only 6% of America makes above $97,000 per year?

I wondered if that was current or an older number from 2008...Regarless (because I'll lay odds, it hasn't changed much) I was appalled.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
3. I just look at him as totally mainstream.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 12:39 PM
Nov 2015

He is what I've always "thought" that Democrats were supposed to be about.

But, especially this year, I've been schooled on the likes of the DNC/DWS, the Entrenched Establishment, Third Way and the Clinton Family.

I don't like anything I've learned.

America needs Bernie and a Political Revolution, desperately.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
5. Correction: the party APPARATUS has moved right
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 12:54 PM
Nov 2015

And we can largely thank Hillary's husband for that.

The people believe strongly in the things Bernie stands for.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
6. Moved right?
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 01:49 PM
Nov 2015

It took a freaking running start and catapulted as far right as it could. It's only drag were the people calling bullshit on it. Yet still they have dragged the uninformed and injected fake Dems into the party.

I can't even believe that people on DU literally spit out Republican talking points and support them.

 

Old Codger

(4,205 posts)
8. Personally
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 01:59 PM
Nov 2015

I still consider myself a Dem. but there is no real "official" democratic party anymore, the so called "leadership" have gone so far right as to be almost indistinguishable from the "normal" Rep. ( I never really refer to the idiots running the GOP or there candidates even as politicians, they are something else altogether)

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
11. This is Backwards. Bernie is a Democrat. The Democratic Party has become your daddy's
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 02:41 PM
Nov 2015

republican party. That's the problem.

The republican party has become the Fascist Party and moved so far to the right that HIllary can spout her "Goldwater Girl" republican values and sound like a lefty.

Thanks to DLC, THird Way BLue Dogs republicans.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
13. not even the party of the upper class, any more
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 02:48 PM
Nov 2015

under the shocking complacency of people who've never had to lift a finger or pay for anything on their own in their lives (they literally don't know how money works), at some abstract level you can get them to agree that the US economy is a goose that lays golden eggs, and killing it for a NASDAQ uptick is (in the abstract) a bad idea

 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
15. the Democratic party is where the Republican Party used to be...
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 04:23 PM
Nov 2015

and the Republican Party has gone off a cliff. There is no true progressive party in the US.

Bernblu

(441 posts)
16. The Democrats used to be the Party of the working class but not anymore.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 07:32 PM
Nov 2015

If Sanders isn't the nominee I am going to leave the party and become an independent. I've been a Democrat my entire adult life but I cannot continue to support the party's neo-liberal third-way policies. This election is the last straw for me. I've been voting for the lesser of evils for 25 years and the country and the world is going to hell in a hand basket From now on they'll have to earn my vote and support. No more of this lesser of evils BS that we've had rammed down our throats for the last 25 years.

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