Did they think we weren't going to find out?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=176002&sub=trans

distract from the entire debate. There are so many important issues. I hope Bernie does well!

MoRokTah is on my ignore list for a good reason.

They succeeded.

n/t

One of the least honest people on DU.

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Maybe that was a bad move on my part.

And they're so fucking happy about it too! Gross.

and consider self deleting. In hindsight, I wish I had

I didn't always agree with Manny but, he was amusing and intelligent and I will miss his posts

Can't always agree with everyone, and if you do it means you're not thinking for yourself, so I take that as a sign of intelligence.

This is making me very sad.

*sigh*

What does 'tomb stoned' mean? Is it permanent or will he be allowed back after a period of time?

And I never saw Manny as very entertaining. He clearly violated the TOS, so I don't really want to see him back here.

sit out the election if that "Liar, their and criminal" (Bernie) was the candidate. That is different.

reason.

on Bernie (even if it was not him) to nail him to a cross. Seems a lot of foaming at the mouth on DU today.

being, I'll say it to you directly, while you're still here and still can reply.

Dissing someone who can't reply and can't retaliate sucks.

BTW, why are you posting in the Sanders Group?

We have to all be careful about TOS violations; they're getting us via technicalities. Why do they keep coming into protected groups and alerting? I don't go into theirs, I could not care less about what they think or say.

As a sociological study DU shows me how tribes go from being one group to splinter groups who declare war upon one another.

Very tribal indeed.

I can barely tolerate them sprinkled into conversation, let alone running the conversation.

It's not underground in the 60's sense, where Johnson and Humphrey were vilified leading up to the 68 election. It's not radical or even far left. As long as we all understand that it makes more sense.

I was around when the underground media was active in the late 60's. A Hillary Clinton back then would have been ruthlessly savaged for her Wall Street ties and her hawkish views. It's more kid gloves on here.

It's not about politics with them. It's ego.

Be careful to keep your tempers under control.

seems to be working to some degree, unfortunate that most don't remember that part.

With the worst if them, their only mission is to silence HRHs primary opposition everywhere they can.

Stop falling for their silly, daycare games.

Now they play the role of her knight in shining armor.

Check your PMs

used against him. We talked a little about it once just as the most recent purges started, I do not believe this action has harmed him overmuch. He has a life, a very good and real one.

We will miss him here like the other prominent targets of late all of whom contributed so much substance, truth and humor, but I know he would rather speak his mind and be damned for it than hold his tongue just because some schoolyard bullies who were in good with the principle would have him expelled for it.

I doubt he will give it very much thought and will simply continue doing other things, other places as they suit him, always unmindful of what small minds might think of his thoughts, his words, or his actions; after all he did not post, act or think for them, he did and does such things to try to contribute to the greater good in ways that he feels might matter great or small and damn those that do not approve. Bullies never bothered him, he never gave them any power do so and likely never will.

Perhaps I should have paid more attention to him during that brief discussion about targets and purges because as he clearly chose to face the primary purges without flinching or holding back anything he thought was a true or meaningful thing to say, I chose the path I usually do during purge seasons and just barely if ever posted, pragmatic perhaps, but not very brave of me.

I may email him just to say hi, and try to stay in touch from time to time. I honestly like the guy, we worked briefly together on a separate project that would have been quite successful if timed a bit earlier than it was. I got to know him a little better then.

I didn't have the impression that MannyGoldstein is a hothead. I am sure he knew the TOS very well.

The vindictiveness comes from the top.

Just wondering...and yes, the vindictiveness comes from the top.

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I have to agree that advocating the sitting out of a campaign, possibly to incite others to behave similarly, is antithetical to being a Democrat.


While the heavy hand of tombstoning seems severe to me, it's not my site. I do see violations on both sides, and it seems that the punishments are not always evenly distributed, which in a political sense could lead to some harboring legitimacy questions.


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I must have seen 100 DUers post they will never vote for Hillary--many of them more than once. Manny posts it once-BAM.

Very uneven and heavy handed.

Oh and

I just wish I could find an emote of it and/or a woman on woman version of it, but what the hell? I'll be the sailor.

(I can't believe that, in all the times I've seen this photo, I never noticed the grab ass bit until I posted it to you.)

The five or 6 absolutely vicious people who manage to keep on posting here despite their rude, nasty over the top comments are allowed to stay because that is their purpose here. To goad people into saying things to get them banned. They want Sanders campaign shut down.

I don't think they really care if HRC is elected, because they don't care about her either. They don't seem to be the sort of people who give two shits about anyone or anything other than themselves. In fact, I think that probably in reality they are actually supporting republicans. They want HRC to be the nominee because they know Republicans will win over her.

he was one of my favorite DUers.. Being on DU these days isn't very enjoyable at all. I feel the need to put so many posters on "ignore" including many who express such delight in Manny's forced departure. However, I don't do it because I feel I should be aware of the filth they are spouting...

It's not as much about being Democrat, it's about being a dedicated Hillary supporter and voter.

Personal opinion.

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Not sure about the other two. They've been quiet as usual.

The trolls are winning.

I'll miss his posts.

I don't think what someone else says about who to vote for carries
that much weight. I think most people will do whatever it is they are
going to do.

There have been replies from both sides since yesterday that said the same thing and those didn't evoke this response.

This is all basic human nature stuff. People often act badly when they feel threatened. DWS's actions definitely threatened Sander's supporters interests, and the backlash splattering onto Clinton is doing the same to Clinton supporters. No doubt the admin are human, too.

I've been here a long time...and the past 24 hours has been among the most contentious days ever. This rift is gonna leave a mark.

l mean, yes, politics can be actual life of death for some people (depending on what's legislated), but there's room for humor, too. He poked at us all with his silliness.

See ya over at reddit!

Sad little people with miserable little lives embrace the misfortune of others. Somehow it makes them feel better about themselves I guess.

even less fun and a lot less friendly.

because this place ain't getting another dime from me.

and now, I wonder why anyone would bother with DU any longer. Its function as a news aggregator and source has deteriorated to some kind of GroupThink cult.

I think this is a case of imitation (of DNC and DWS) being the sincerest form of flattery.

It looks to me as if there will be nothing left of this place by November, if not sooner. Why would anyone pay for the privilege of taking abuse?

I might (maybe) understand rulings like the one being discussed here. But they are not over yet... we are only in the seventh inning stretch of the lead up to the primaries. We're still singing "If they don't win it's a shaaaammmme!!!"

If Hillary wins the nomination, I will do my part to help avert a meltdown into outright fascism and vote for her (stomach churning though it may be), even though she seems to follow the same general path as the clown car, albeit a bit more slowly and with some concessions to somewhat more liberal social mores.

I wonder, what happens to DU when (I guess I should say "if" but I believe) Bernie wins Democratic nomination? Several of the most effective voices for Bernie have been silenced, either officially or because those voices could no longer tolerate the obnoxiousness of a few who stalked them.

Those voices will be needed. And I believe they are needed even now.

All I know is that for the first time since Bobby Kennedy (and I was too young to vote back then), I have hope for a change in direction for this county. I'm realistic enough to understand that turning the ship of state into 180 degree turn (unless it really is a pendulum) is a difficult and time consuming operation, but that that turn needs to start somewhere, sometime or it will never happen. I think January, 2017 is not a moment too soon (and maybe much too late) to begin that turn.

It's almost a cult here now. It was so much better the first few years, you'd never recognize the place.

I still like the site for LBN but I rarely post here anymore, DI is herds better, wingnuts and all.

It started out welcoming all lefties and progressives and it's become much more narrow.

Now we're in another bottleneck.

Wiil Pitt, Woo Me With Science & Catherina come quickly to mind.

What is DI?

I haven't been over there myself, but maybe it's worth a look.

http://www.discussionist.com/

and found a bunch of DUers there. Weird. I would have been happier not seeing a few of them.

I may give it a try over there. This place has been overrun by snide fools who can't acknowledge when they are wrong. Didn't used to be that way. Been coming here almost 15 years, and used Ignore for the first time last week. Some are here just to wreck it - incapable of a real conversation.

There was a certain amount of wackiness in the early years. 9/11 trutherism. Even Bilderberg conspiracy theories that somehow snuck in from the John Birch Society corners of the web. But it was also a lot more wide open and freewheeling.

When that started to change, I put it down to the site wanting to go more mainstream and tidy up its hair and makeup to look respectable. And I put the hiding away of Israel/Palestine threads as an attempt to keep the place from ripping itself apart.

But whether or not the intentions were good -- well, you know what they say about the road to Hell. And I fear that's where we find ourselves.

A bright light at DU has been snuffed out.

No one can replace Manny. Not even Random Thoughts.

I was looking through some archived threads from '08 and was aghast at how many are gone. Looks like another purge/self delete is under way.

Purge the ones that are the biggest draw and strongest attraction.

Sort of like McDonalds getting rid of hamburgers and fries.

Geez. I always liked Mannie's posts. The place won't be the same.

Yesterday was really an aggravating day. Everyone was angry.

DU has been my go to spot for political conversation. I might need to branch out a little.

Anybody? Bueller?

I have never seen the tenor that I am seeing now. Bullying, nasty comments, berating people's choices instead of discussing them. It is discouraging. DU has an important purpose but I do not see how it will continue as is.