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LiberalArkie

(15,719 posts)
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:39 PM Dec 2015

Might I recommend this Snopes article.


http://www.snopes.com/bernie-sanders-campaign-data-breach-controversy/


WHAT'S TRUE: During a brief security lapse due to a bug on the part of third-party campaign information data company NGP VAN, four staffers from the Bernie Sanders campaign had unauthorized access to limited data pertaining to the Hillary Clinton campaign. The DNC has since pledged to restore the Sanders campaign's access to the voter files.

WHAT'S FALSE: The data were accessed over a lengthy period; the data were "exported" or otherwise extracted; the data were of high value to the Sanders campaign.

WHAT'S UNDETERMINED: What the staffers' intent in accessing the data was; whether the Clinton campaign engaged in similar activity during the 2008 campaign but was unsanctioned (as asserted in a suit filed by Sanders' campaign against the DNC); under precisely which circumstances the staffers accessed the information; the manner in which the proprietary software operated and the ease with which such data might be accessed deliberately or inadver
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Might I recommend this Snopes article. (Original Post) LiberalArkie Dec 2015 OP
This inconvenient fact will likely not be today's thread winner !!! libdem4life Dec 2015 #1
DU Rec. Snopes, surely considered a credible source here, right? Hiraeth Dec 2015 #2
Have NEVER seen anyone call Snopes bvf Dec 2015 #3
watch this be the first time ... Hiraeth Dec 2015 #4
I hear you, bvf Dec 2015 #5
So effing true! Phlem Dec 2015 #6
! Hiraeth Dec 2015 #12
The right regards Snopes as a liberal source nxylas Dec 2015 #11
Actually, people here have often SheilaT Dec 2015 #26
That's news to me. I assumed it was uniformly bvf Dec 2015 #32
Biggest takeaway - the DNC is clearly biased and mismanaged. highprincipleswork Dec 2015 #7
I would tend to use the word "Corrupt" Phlem Dec 2015 #9
Let's call a duck a duck. avaistheone1 Dec 2015 #16
I disagree. bvar22 Dec 2015 #33
There it is in black and white, no spin. Phlem Dec 2015 #8
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #10
K&R! n/t WIProgressive88 Dec 2015 #13
I posted this same thing and got attacked with intellectual arguments like retrowire Dec 2015 #14
Yes, you did, and I read it first on your link. Thanks. Duval Dec 2015 #18
No problem! :) nt retrowire Dec 2015 #19
It is in the timing. Timing is everything. Like the timing in putting up a discussion system. LiberalArkie Dec 2015 #20
Clearly. I have failed. lol nt retrowire Dec 2015 #21
You are way ahead of me, I have a lot to catch up with. LiberalArkie Dec 2015 #22
To tell the truth, I think I stole it from you to put in the Bernie group for safe keeping LiberalArkie Dec 2015 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author SunSeeker Dec 2015 #15
Ahhh, the snopes article! Duval Dec 2015 #17
Doubtful abelenkpe Dec 2015 #31
And, then, there's this: chervilant Dec 2015 #23
Again,even this is incorrect passiveporcupine Dec 2015 #25
He did create 2 users and made all the results end with bernie. Was definitely not LiberalArkie Dec 2015 #29
Let us not forget.... Leftyforever Dec 2015 #27
Unfortunately, your facts won't work on people with dishonest intentions. arcane1 Dec 2015 #28
Sad but true. TDale313 Dec 2015 #30
I think it's over. Bernie put it to bed last night. Fawke Em Dec 2015 #34
 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
3. Have NEVER seen anyone call Snopes
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:00 PM
Dec 2015

into question here. There's always a first time, though.

Rec.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
5. I hear you,
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:11 PM
Dec 2015

and I'm inclined to agree. There are a few especially clueless (and disproportionately loud) types around here lately who seem to come off time-out just long enough to stupid themselves right back into one.

Three or four candidates, minimum.

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
11. The right regards Snopes as a liberal source
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:31 PM
Dec 2015

Due to its regard for communiss ideas like "facts" and "evidence", which turn you gay, as any real American knows. I don't know that Clinton Underground has swung *that* far to the right yet, but give it time.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
26. Actually, people here have often
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 05:15 PM
Dec 2015

denigrated Snopes. Personally, I often go straight to the Snopes website whenever I see something questionable on the interwebs.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
32. That's news to me. I assumed it was uniformly
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:08 PM
Dec 2015

respected around here as a reliable source of debunkery.

Like you, I consider it a go-to, but thanks for the info.

 

avaistheone1

(14,626 posts)
16. Let's call a duck a duck.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 04:00 PM
Dec 2015

The DNC is corrupt and it starts at the top with Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
33. I disagree.
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 01:13 PM
Dec 2015

DWS is merely a willing pawn in this especially nauseating piece of work.
She has been KNOWN to help Republicans and refusals to endorse DEMOCRATS in Florida since at least 2008 when she was Chair of the DNCs "Red to Blue Program"!!!

She is being PROMOTED for her behavior, which means she is pleasing her employers,
which means she isn't "incompetent" at all. She is doing EXACTLY what she is being PAID to do.

Some documented background information on Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Chair of the DNC.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251911615

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
8. There it is in black and white, no spin.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:29 PM
Dec 2015

But the way Hillary supporters are behaving just defines the Hillary campaign. It's that simple and why I'm voting for Bernie!

There is so much BS and spin in the forums anymore I get seasick.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
14. I posted this same thing and got attacked with intellectual arguments like
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:42 PM
Dec 2015

"Nuh uh, Bernie's a thief and he stole"

And you just get approval?! Unfair.

LOL

LiberalArkie

(15,719 posts)
20. It is in the timing. Timing is everything. Like the timing in putting up a discussion system.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 04:04 PM
Dec 2015

It is all in the timing my friend.

Response to LiberalArkie (Original post)

 

Duval

(4,280 posts)
17. Ahhh, the snopes article!
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 04:01 PM
Dec 2015

Thank you LiberalArkie. I hope this ends some of the disgusting remarks I've read today.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
23. And, then, there's this:
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 04:10 PM
Dec 2015

a compilation of some of Hillary's choice bon mots.

Well, Hillary's supporters don't appreciate this succinct video presentation of some of Hillary's lies misrepresentations.

There are a select few of Hillary's supporters herein who are insisting that we Bernie supporters are making excuses for this imbroglio about some of his staffers accessing Clinton's data. Never mind that this is clearly antithetical to who Bernie is, and how he rolls as a politician. Never mind that videos depicting multiples of Hillary's lies misrepresentations are ill-received by her supporters.

So, whenever I see these pitiable few attempting to broad brush Sanders' supporters, I like to counter with actual video of Hillary lying dissembling. I then ask, "how is it that she does this (repeatedly) and you give her a pass?"

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
25. Again,even this is incorrect
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 05:15 PM
Dec 2015

four staffers did not have access. Two staffers did. And the data director created two new accounts to use in the process of trying to investigate the breach (or for ulterior purposexs, searched and copied lists of results).

I could also be wrong in this, but many articles out there indicate this. I have not yet seen one that proved four people were involved.

LiberalArkie

(15,719 posts)
29. He did create 2 users and made all the results end with bernie. Was definitely not
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 05:25 PM
Dec 2015

trying to hide anything.

 

Leftyforever

(317 posts)
27. Let us not forget....
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 05:18 PM
Dec 2015

DWS's choice to go to the media with it .. instead of handling it in a professional systematic way... she has to go

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
28. Unfortunately, your facts won't work on people with dishonest intentions.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 05:24 PM
Dec 2015

But at least it sucks to be them

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
30. Sad but true.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 05:41 PM
Dec 2015

They have an agenda, facts be damned. Smear Sanders and his supporters with everything they've got.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
34. I think it's over. Bernie put it to bed last night.
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 01:51 PM
Dec 2015

I don't mean the DNC's corruption and favoritism - that will still be apparent, but the issue of the data.

I don't think the DNC wants to take this to a federal judge and I think Michael Moore tweeted the reason why the best:

https://twitter.com/MMFlint/status/678379329194102784


Hey media, report this: The reason the data breach fight got resolved is Hillary's ppl didn't want 2 answer questions under oath in a depo.
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