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MannyGoldstein appreciation thread (Original Post) Bubzer Dec 2015 OP
+1 fleur-de-lisa Dec 2015 #1
Yes, I will miss his take on things. LiberalArkie Dec 2015 #2
Oh no! Matariki Dec 2015 #32
I never saw MannyGoldstein as someone who posted in hothead mode. merrily Dec 2015 #106
Yeah, I agree. Matariki Dec 2015 #108
Funny that the offending post is not available Flying Squirrel Dec 2015 #116
I thought that was odd too. Decidedly suspicious. Bubzer Dec 2015 #122
Well that's a load of bullshit. DU is decidedly UNdemocratic. cui bono Dec 2015 #164
The hell you say. KamaAina Dec 2015 #197
That's the post? Flying Squirrel Dec 2015 #202
Yup. That's it. KamaAina Dec 2015 #209
WTF, that's it? Beartracks Dec 2015 #206
That's it? wow. mountain grammy Dec 2015 #213
I've seen worse than that here. I've had my posts Pryderi Dec 2015 #244
This explains it exactly...Matariki has the key to it all !!!!!!!!!!! Stuart G Dec 2015 #129
An opinion I agree with. Bubzer Dec 2015 #145
Oh no. I thought the Admins had said they would let statements about not voting for the nominee femmedem Dec 2015 #142
And btw... writing in a Democrat is still voting for a Dem. cui bono Dec 2015 #163
Well, we were all hot headed yesterday - at least I was. PatrickforO Dec 2015 #227
You know that good feeling you get after watching a episode of Intervention that succeeded? Snotcicles Dec 2015 #139
To me also. mahina Dec 2015 #242
I'm getting tired of these. Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #3
very tired.... daleanime Dec 2015 #34
Love me some manny. :D roguevalley Dec 2015 #63
+1 LovingA2andMI Dec 2015 #228
It's worth noting that the playing field is far from even. Hillary supporters are appearantly immune Bubzer Dec 2015 #118
That one was suspended so many times that I stopped counting. Probably holds the record. BeanMusical Dec 2015 #123
Right. And there are a few other hillary supporters who make similar comments who're still here. Bubzer Dec 2015 #126
Very true. BeanMusical Dec 2015 #128
the absolute worst here. and yet... NRaleighLiberal Dec 2015 #144
MRT is truly one of the most obnoxious posters around. Paka Dec 2015 #168
He does know a lot about pretzels, though. QC Dec 2015 #261
Got him and others on ignore... MrMickeysMom Dec 2015 #272
Well, see, some animals are more equal... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #263
You rock Manny. jalan48 Dec 2015 #4
. Fearless Dec 2015 #5
I was away for a while Lifelong Protester Dec 2015 #6
Yes by Skinner Fearless Dec 2015 #7
Wow! Lifelong Protester Dec 2015 #8
This has happened before. It's only the beginning. Fearless Dec 2015 #10
Some people do, at least. Others, not so much. nt villager Dec 2015 #13
Yup. The ToS only applies to Bernie supporters now Scootaloo Dec 2015 #16
Absolutely! DonnaM Dec 2015 #175
Glad you agree. nm rhett o rick Dec 2015 #252
It seems you do need to be careful here, & what sucks is ... CaptainTruth Dec 2015 #190
Same here. Lifelong Protester Dec 2015 #208
Yes, you have to be careful... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #264
+1 Absolutely. BeanMusical Dec 2015 #266
So it is permanent? Thats poorly thought out. Bubzer Dec 2015 #14
It usually is. Skinner wasn't a friend to gay people either Fearless Dec 2015 #15
That's really unfortunate. Dems thrive on freedom of speech... I guess DU is more of a fiefdom. Bubzer Dec 2015 #19
he let rapists who outed themselves stay on a rape thread. he's a hillary roguevalley Dec 2015 #66
For sure. Morning after the 2008 election he congratulated us POC... MadDAsHell Dec 2015 #143
WOW, just WOW.... LovingA2andMI Dec 2015 #229
I remember that Nite Owl Dec 2015 #180
It's safe to assume that Skinner is a fiercely loyal Clinton supporter. Iggo Dec 2015 #130
Fiercely loyal or not, being openly biased is a terrible business move. Bad PR too. Bubzer Dec 2015 #133
I'm saying what it's safe to assume. Iggo Dec 2015 #134
I hear what you're saying. Its iritating that walking on eggshells has become required to be safe. Bubzer Dec 2015 #138
DU is owned, apparently, by the husband of Hillary's 2008 campaign treasurer Dragonfli Dec 2015 #155
Bans should be impartial and rare, IMHO dreamnightwind Dec 2015 #167
Very well reasoned, thank you for taking the time to write it. (nt) Babel_17 Jan 2016 #273
You're quite welcome dreamnightwind Jan 2016 #274
I think Skinner has a bias. His profile Pic is the Hillary H liberalnarb Dec 2015 #90
Yes his preference for candidates is well established Fearless Dec 2015 #100
Eventually this will badly hurt his bank account. BeanMusical Dec 2015 #127
yea grasswire Dec 2015 #171
+1 BeanMusical Dec 2015 #176
Time for a Video... LovingA2andMI Dec 2015 #230
Yep! I just donated, but dgibby Dec 2015 #181
Dammit, my automatic renewal of my star membership went through recently. Won't happen again. Hun Joro Dec 2015 #183
"Eventually this will badly hurt his bank account." greiner3 Dec 2015 #221
Apparently just happened. There was the usual jr. high school-level glee about it from some quarters villager Dec 2015 #9
I was thinking more like grade school playground level glee... SoapBox Dec 2015 #11
I don't like that manny got banned awoke_in_2003 Dec 2015 #113
PPR'ed Bubzer Dec 2015 #12
yes, it's a curious business move grasswire Dec 2015 #22
More like Sears getting rid of retail stores zeemike Dec 2015 #54
It would be nice if there were something like a Liberal Underground, kath Dec 2015 #55
This! beltanefauve Dec 2015 #85
Wish there was Spirochete Dec 2015 #121
Well There's Independent Underground.... LovingA2andMI Dec 2015 #231
There was once a left underground, but that's a whole other story. merrily Jan 2016 #295
Holy shit! nxylas Dec 2015 #17
... ---.... WillyT Dec 2015 #18
Hopefully he will post his wonderful musings on the site he created some time ago Cassiopeia Dec 2015 #20
Thanks for that link! City Lights Dec 2015 #31
^this^ nt Mojorabbit Dec 2015 #47
Thanks for the link! Hepburn Dec 2015 #57
Mega thanks for the link. n/t Smarmie Doofus Dec 2015 #59
Thanks for the link! NorthCarolina Dec 2015 #62
I stop there every now and then, Mbrow Dec 2015 #70
Thanks for that. wilsonbooks Dec 2015 #72
Thanks for the link. I will miss him. madfloridian Dec 2015 #78
Thanks for the link. I hope his blog will be updated more often! LongTomH Dec 2015 #92
Thanks for the link. bvar22 Dec 2015 #177
where's the link to the post that got him banned? tk2kewl Dec 2015 #222
it's not even shut down by a mod/admin MisterP Dec 2015 #270
Bookmarked! LovingA2andMI Dec 2015 #232
Manny, we will not grieve. We will keep marching. nt retrowire Dec 2015 #21
I will grieve for the both of us... and I will keep marching. Bubzer Dec 2015 #26
I saw his last post. I refreshed, and it was gone. You will be missed. Gregorian Dec 2015 #23
Bye Manny. I'll miss you. n/t 99th_Monkey Dec 2015 #24
IT sucks that we need this thread. Manny has been one of DU's best as long as I've been here. Scuba Dec 2015 #25
+1 Bubzer Dec 2015 #27
+1 CaptainTruth Dec 2015 #186
The consumate wise ass and satirist JackInGreen Dec 2015 #28
can someone explain what happened.... how people get tombstoned Leftyforever Dec 2015 #29
The admins can block posters from posting Fearless Dec 2015 #42
Do they give reasons or explain why Leftyforever Dec 2015 #44
Yes. Look at Manny's profile page... Fearless Dec 2015 #45
Sad that it's not grammatically correct, either. nilram Dec 2015 #137
. City Lights Dec 2015 #30
Do Not Go Gently .... All The Best Manny cantbeserious Dec 2015 #33
I will miss his humor and posts Jackilope Dec 2015 #35
+1 Bubzer Dec 2015 #50
Manny, you rock MsLeopard Dec 2015 #36
I am one of those early joiners also... SoLeftIAmRight Dec 2015 #61
It's how much you post which brings in the profits. Divernan Dec 2015 #89
+1 valerief Dec 2015 #37
. LiberalElite Dec 2015 #38
K&R I enjoy your humor. jwirr Dec 2015 #39
Wait until the general. Hell Hath No Fury Dec 2015 #40
. OnyxCollie Dec 2015 #41
K/R Jack Rabbit Dec 2015 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author Recursion Dec 2015 #248
.... ejbr Dec 2015 #46
Love you, Msnny rbnyc Dec 2015 #48
I'm going to miss Manny a lot, but he was not advocating for a big tent passiveporcupine Dec 2015 #149
You don't need to advocate for big tent... rbnyc Dec 2015 #172
But he was saying basically that he no longer wanted to support it passiveporcupine Dec 2015 #220
DU will be a much less interesting place. nt Chef Eric Dec 2015 #49
Agreed Bubzer Dec 2015 #51
My sentiments exactly wezl Dec 2015 #73
It sure will! MelissaB Dec 2015 #83
Melissas appreciate Manny!! Melissa G Dec 2015 #120
Hey there! MelissaB Dec 2015 #251
You, too. Melissa G Dec 2015 #258
we get to keep his asshole detractors Skittles Dec 2015 #234
+1 BeanMusical Dec 2015 #267
This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Dec 2015 #268
Kick katsy Dec 2015 #52
Oh No! I've Had To Take Break From Here From Time To Time... ChiciB1 Dec 2015 #53
If DU loses all its Sanders supporters, it will lose 75% of its donor revenue. arcane1 Dec 2015 #56
That could hurt. n/t Hepburn Dec 2015 #58
I suspect our donations are a pittance compared to the revenue Zorra Dec 2015 #75
True, but we're at least 75% of DU's posters too arcane1 Dec 2015 #76
I used to allow ads to be viewed here at DU. I just set my ad blocker to screen them out. Bubzer Dec 2015 #87
Same here. My subscription ended this week and I planned to renew yesterday. arcane1 Dec 2015 #101
I think that you are right but without our traffic the site would wither and die. wilsonbooks Dec 2015 #79
Some here just didn't get his sense of humor.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2015 #60
That's because conservatives don't do humor very well. It goes over their heads. n/t arcane1 Dec 2015 #65
Exactly! Plucketeer Dec 2015 #97
He chose his user name well starroute Dec 2015 #64
Love your humor. baran Dec 2015 #67
What did I miss? a2liberal Dec 2015 #68
If any of those Clinton supporters get this treatment, I will be astonished. arcane1 Dec 2015 #74
I've seen Her supporters werknotgoin2takeit Dec 2015 #84
It might be time for me to enact a zero-tolerance policy and start using alert for what it's for. arcane1 Dec 2015 #103
That is too bad. I liked his posts. :( Bread and Circus Dec 2015 #69
Kick and Rec NRaleighLiberal Dec 2015 #71
Are the DU admins professional DEM staffers? Smarmie Doofus Dec 2015 #77
Oh for fuck's sake. A permanent tombstone? Hissyspit Dec 2015 #80
I know how you feel. nt CaptainTruth Dec 2015 #189
Dammit Manny! nc4bo Dec 2015 #81
I can't Believe it! werknotgoin2takeit Dec 2015 #82
Miss you, Manny. vt_native Dec 2015 #86
Love his biting satire. historylovr Dec 2015 #88
He will be missed angrychair Dec 2015 #91
Rec 100 840high Dec 2015 #93
I'll miss Manny too!!!! LongTomH Dec 2015 #94
Its especially strange because he technically did not violate TOS mentalslavery Dec 2015 #95
We don't have a nominee yet. This breaks my 840high Dec 2015 #99
thats a good point mentalslavery Dec 2015 #153
You've hit on the same thing I was thinking about. CaptainTruth Dec 2015 #193
His ban will not be reversed Paulie Dec 2015 #259
Make trouble for Her Highness, get the ax I guess n/t Still In Wisconsin Dec 2015 #96
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #124
You miss Manny after being here for such a short time? marble falls Dec 2015 #135
I've been here since 2004 beltanefauve Dec 2015 #98
Same here werknotgoin2takeit Dec 2015 #104
Manny is the Man! yuiyoshida Dec 2015 #102
'Moon them back instead' (from Manny's website) sorechasm Dec 2015 #119
Honto desuyo! yuiyoshida Dec 2015 #125
Nice phrase for my memory bank. sorechasm Dec 2015 #151
Wow so did my Girlfriend yuiyoshida Dec 2015 #154
Manny will definitely be missed. bbgrunt Dec 2015 #105
A MannyGoldstein or a WilliamPenn OP or a 10 Dumbest Conservative column.... marble falls Dec 2015 #107
^^ THIS ^^ CaptainTruth Dec 2015 #187
Now I'm pissed. Duppers Dec 2015 #109
... glinda Dec 2015 #110
Manny...always fighting the good fight. AzDar Dec 2015 #111
+1 n/t RoccoR5955 Dec 2015 #112
Manny I will miss you, sadoldgirl Dec 2015 #114
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #115
Are you fucking kidding me? blackspade Dec 2015 #117
Manny should be reinstated. avaistheone1 Dec 2015 #131
I absolutely agree. Owl Dec 2015 #158
Keep 'em coming, wherever you may! polichick Dec 2015 #132
One of the strongest voices on DU and the biggest reason many kept coming back. last1standing Dec 2015 #136
I always looked forward to read Manny's OPs. Such a big loss for DU. BeanMusical Dec 2015 #140
I'm sorry that it needed to be posted. Bubzer Dec 2015 #150
. mmonk Dec 2015 #141
My Political Views Have Evolved, Why Hasn't DU? Ned Flanders Dec 2015 #146
Well said, n/t Utopian Leftist Dec 2015 #199
K'd to the M! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #147
I always liked his posts BuelahWitch Dec 2015 #148
I will definitely miss his sense of humor. Blue_In_AK Dec 2015 #152
Merde. GoneOffShore Dec 2015 #156
Aw Fuck!! navarth Dec 2015 #157
+1 CaptainTruth Dec 2015 #195
I'm confused with reason posted for his removal... tomm2thumbs Dec 2015 #159
Manny you rock! DU will be a much less interesting place. Owl Dec 2015 #160
. n2doc Dec 2015 #161
I hate tattletales between peers. pacalo Dec 2015 #162
+1 CaptainTruth Dec 2015 #196
Thank you for pinning! SoapBox Dec 2015 #165
It already is. nt Autumn Dec 2015 #166
Thanks for the pin Bubzer Dec 2015 #169
Manny we miss you. Paka Dec 2015 #170
Manny's wit is always worth listening to, and always appriciated-thank you Manny! midnight Dec 2015 #173
Shame on you Skinner DonnaM Dec 2015 #174
This place needs his input! Dustlawyer Dec 2015 #178
Another huge loss. This is garbage. raouldukelives Dec 2015 #179
Huge loss,this site needs his humor! TIME TO PANIC Dec 2015 #182
I'm finding his new home on the interwebs Matariki Dec 2015 #184
Seems like the more a person contributes ... CaptainTruth Dec 2015 #185
Anyone know if Manny's posting on FB? If so, what name is he using? dgibby Dec 2015 #188
I saw him on Facebook under his regular name Oilwellian Dec 2015 #225
Thanks so much! dgibby Dec 2015 #233
I always clicked on a Manny post. I will miss him and his humor. n/t Bonhomme Richard Dec 2015 #191
I hope Manny regains his posting privileges soon. Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #192
MannyGoldstein is a commie pinko who has no place at DU! KamaAina Dec 2015 #194
Please Reinstate Manny. zentrum Dec 2015 #198
+1 Bubzer Dec 2015 #205
let's just compare the siglines alone MisterP Dec 2015 #200
Manny, you will be sorely missed! Utopian Leftist Dec 2015 #201
I expressed my feelings for and about Manny over in GD-P senz Dec 2015 #203
. libodem Dec 2015 #204
First DNC, and now DU...c'mon Skinner, I've read many comments here every election from voting Nader EndElectoral Dec 2015 #207
What exactly did Manny say? liberalnarb Dec 2015 #224
You bet Old Codger Dec 2015 #210
I'm not sure what happened deutsey Dec 2015 #211
His satire vs. the Third Way was second to none Roland99 Dec 2015 #212
I baked a cake to present to the committee who silenced you, Manny... MrMickeysMom Dec 2015 #214
Manny appreciation! Start your own blog, Manny... Dont call me Shirley Dec 2015 #215
Personally, I'm holding a 24 hour boycott in his memory. No posts from me tomorrow. nt CaptainTruth Dec 2015 #216
If you really want to boycot, set your ad blocker to block ads on DU. Bubzer Dec 2015 #218
This place is lot less interesting without Manny. But thankfully, he has moved on to better things sabrina 1 Dec 2015 #217
just love Manny marym625 Dec 2015 #219
K&R hay rick Dec 2015 #223
Skinner: Amnesty, commutation, pardons now will save a lot of grief later leveymg Dec 2015 #226
probably will save the site, too grasswire Dec 2015 #236
Imagine an eternity in the Last Post Saloon with only Sid for company . . . shudders. n/t leveymg Dec 2015 #243
hahahahahahahahahahahaha! grasswire Dec 2015 #254
Sid won't be posting for a while. n/t QC Dec 2015 #260
+1 Bubzer Dec 2015 #257
Gthanks Manny! JDPriestly Dec 2015 #235
K&R. Been following Manny for years. NT Scruffy1 Dec 2015 #237
Here is a post by someone who was not banned in spite of a long history Douglas Carpenter Dec 2015 #238
better get some screengrabs, she's purged all her past disloyal posts once people MisterP Dec 2015 #255
thank you for that. grasswire Dec 2015 #256
I didn't know that. Alkene Dec 2015 #239
Guess it has come to banning anyone who does not chant the Third Way party line emsimon33 Dec 2015 #240
+ 1 Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #241
Miss you Manny!! lastlib Dec 2015 #245
DU is not the same without you. Wish you well. n/t Jeroen Dec 2015 #246
. kcass1954 Dec 2015 #247
will miss him catrose Dec 2015 #249
K&R MelissaB Dec 2015 #250
Loyalty tests - a very conservative thing. But this is war - Hillary vs. every decent human being whereisjustice Dec 2015 #253
And DU loses another unique voice... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #262
As others on this thread have pointed out... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #265
yeah, I've noticed that the condemnations are full of 10K+ posters, posters around since 2001, MisterP Dec 2015 #269
Well, Skinner will still have Discussionist left to pay the bills. BeanMusical Dec 2015 #271
I am still pissed at this! polly7 Jan 2016 #275
Say it, Sister Android3.14 Jan 2016 #276
Why am I not surprised at who that poster was. On the payroll, as they say. arcane1 Jan 2016 #277
It hurts me deeply to realize this site isn't what I thought it was. polly7 Jan 2016 #278
Someone posted in ATA about several posts like that. Supposedly, the difference was merrily Jan 2016 #280
..... and those four words could certainly be used in whatever context one chose to. polly7 Jan 2016 #282
jackpineradicals.org went to over 500 posters in a couple three days, now over 650. Both numbers say merrily Jan 2016 #283
They sure do. polly7 Jan 2016 #284
+1 Bubzer Jan 2016 #293
I dont know why everyone is so upset. We have jackpineradical.org Katashi_itto Jan 2016 #279
That he and others started jackpineradicals.org (plural--I do the singular a lot, too) does not merrily Jan 2016 #281
Very true, but if DU wants to poison it's own well not much we can do about it Katashi_itto Jan 2016 #285
That is not an issue. merrily Jan 2016 #286
I dont have a problem with it either. Just as long as we can also see this is no longer the only Katashi_itto Jan 2016 #287
We're all registered there. merrily Jan 2016 #288
Cool Katashi_itto Jan 2016 #289
I have no problem kicking the thread, though. merrily Jan 2016 #290
:) Katashi_itto Jan 2016 #291
I like jackpineradical.org, and love that I get to keep reading Manny's posts... Bubzer Jan 2016 #292
Jackpine Radicals is certainly a pleasant and positive site. delrem Jan 2016 #294

merrily

(45,251 posts)
106. I never saw MannyGoldstein as someone who posted in hothead mode.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:24 PM
Dec 2015

Anything is possible, but it was not my perception of him.

And he was goaded, baited and trolled like no one else was, with the possible exception of Will Pitt.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
108. Yeah, I agree.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:28 PM
Dec 2015

He was rightfully very angry yesterday and as 'hot headed' as I've ever seen him. It was the statement that he would write in Sanders if he didn't get the Democratic nomination. Given the anger level yesterday it should have been given a pass. In fact I think that statement said in anger during the primaries should be given a pass. During the general election, well that's another story.

 

Flying Squirrel

(3,041 posts)
202. That's the post?
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:38 PM
Dec 2015

Better ban all 221 people who recced it then. If it was so bad, why didn't they lock it?

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
209. Yup. That's it.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:32 PM
Dec 2015

Apparently he advocated maybe, possibly not voting for what he perceived to be a really bad Dem in the general. Advocating not voting for Dems is a no-no. But worthy of a time-out, if you ask me, not the ban-hammer.

Beartracks

(12,816 posts)
206. WTF, that's it?
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:16 PM
Dec 2015

So, I gather from that post he's really pro-Bernie. That's it.

I don't see the parts about hating Hillary, not voting for her if she's the nominee, and actively working to ensure President Trump/Cruz becomes a reality.

Perhaps he typed it in invisible ink? Cuz I sure don't see anything ban-worthy here.

=====================

 

Pryderi

(6,772 posts)
244. I've seen worse than that here. I've had my posts
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 09:50 AM
Dec 2015

removed and have been reprimanded here before. I've been spending more time the past few years posting in FB groups and Twitter.

Sad to see DU sabotaging itself.

Stuart G

(38,436 posts)
129. This explains it exactly...Matariki has the key to it all !!!!!!!!!!!
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:55 PM
Dec 2015

People were so pissed off about the events of the DNC. If the events had been settled immediately, quietly, Manny would still be around.. Many were so mad, that we often lash out.
Perhaps in quieter times this couldn't have happened but it was such a big issue in all the press. It took two or three days to settle things.. I agree, he should have been given a pass..perhaps Skinner tried to get him to remove the thread, but he was still too angry at the situation and the DNC. You know, we really do get angry here, and this is a fucken computer..correct???

Often we do not stop and think about what we are saying.. The head of the DNC took awful action, and we responded. If she had just shut up, and said that this would be worked out, (which she did not say)..actions might have been different..

Still I think Skinner should have given Manny a pass..but that is my opinion only...

femmedem

(8,203 posts)
142. Oh no. I thought the Admins had said they would let statements about not voting for the nominee
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 04:07 PM
Dec 2015

in the general get a pass until after the primary.

There are a lot of posters whom I appreciate, but Manny's absence will make DU much less fun.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
163. And btw... writing in a Democrat is still voting for a Dem.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 05:01 PM
Dec 2015

Bernie isn't going to run as a third party candidate and is running as a Dem in the presidential election, so technically what Manny said (I'm going with what you posted since I wasn't really on DU yesterday) was not against the rules.

They are just looking for reasons to purge Bernie supporters.

!

PatrickforO

(14,578 posts)
227. Well, we were all hot headed yesterday - at least I was.
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 02:16 AM
Dec 2015

This Wasserman Schultz, she's got to go.

And, it does look like Bernie's campaign did wrong. But he's fired what, three people so far? So he's taking the bull by the horns at least.

Honestly, I think it is still a ratfuck - Bernie's guys just gave them a golden opportunity. Because why did DWS go to press instead of the police?

 

Snotcicles

(9,089 posts)
139. You know that good feeling you get after watching a episode of Intervention that succeeded?
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 04:04 PM
Dec 2015

Maybe we all need it at some point if we don't know when it's time to quit.
Manny just felt like family.

BeanMusical

(4,389 posts)
123. That one was suspended so many times that I stopped counting. Probably holds the record.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:49 PM
Dec 2015

And yet, still not banned.

Paka

(2,760 posts)
168. MRT is truly one of the most obnoxious posters around.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 05:26 PM
Dec 2015

For the most part I pass over his nonsense stuff.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
272. Got him and others on ignore...
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 12:52 AM
Dec 2015

Their likeness is a big blank, just like the countless points they try to make.

CaptainTruth

(6,594 posts)
190. It seems you do need to be careful here, & what sucks is ...
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:32 PM
Dec 2015

... I don't even know what I have to be careful about.

Where's the OP that led to the ban? If I could read it I'd be able to see what to avoid.

As-is, I'm left with nothing more than WTF ... & that lack of transparency provides motivation to go somewhere else.

Sad.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
264. Yes, you have to be careful...
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 04:17 PM
Dec 2015

...especially if you're a Sanders supporter.

If you're a Clinton supporter, and say you will never, ever, ever vote for Bernie even if he wins the nomination... well that's a different matter entirely.

All depends on whose ox is gored. And who is doing the refereeing.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
14. So it is permanent? Thats poorly thought out.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:55 PM
Dec 2015

I guess it's safe to assume skinner is not a friend to Bernie supporters then.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
15. It usually is. Skinner wasn't a friend to gay people either
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:58 PM
Dec 2015

Several years ago when he purged quite a few of us for standing up against homophobic attacks on DU. Even after admitting he was wrong months later he didn't reinstate posters he'd banned. I wonder what the other admins think about his leadership in these moments.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
66. he let rapists who outed themselves stay on a rape thread. he's a hillary
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:39 PM
Dec 2015

supporter and this will probably get me banned too. MANNY! COME BACK!

 

MadDAsHell

(2,067 posts)
143. For sure. Morning after the 2008 election he congratulated us POC...
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 04:13 PM
Dec 2015

for having a President of color (as if that's why we voted for him), and COMPLETELY ignored what had happened with Prop 8 in CA.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
229. WOW, just WOW....
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 02:24 AM
Dec 2015

To save any posting privileges here...."A President Of Color"???? WTF does that mean?

Where free speech is free and truly Underground - Independent Underground

Iggo

(47,558 posts)
130. It's safe to assume that Skinner is a fiercely loyal Clinton supporter.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:55 PM
Dec 2015

He said basically as much before the primary season began.

We were warned.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
138. I hear what you're saying. Its iritating that walking on eggshells has become required to be safe.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 04:03 PM
Dec 2015

A veritable: defy the emperor at your own peril - type thing.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
155. DU is owned, apparently, by the husband of Hillary's 2008 campaign treasurer
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 04:26 PM
Dec 2015

Or so it has been said many times, without confirmation it could merely be a rumor.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
167. Bans should be impartial and rare, IMHO
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 05:25 PM
Dec 2015
https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/expend.php?cycle=2010&cid=N00000019

Sen. Hillary Clinton

Expenditures, 2009-2010

Top Vendors/Recipients
Vendor/Recipient Total No. of Payments
Penn, Schoen & Berland $4,741,278 73
Internal Revenue Service $1,578,478 118
Utrecht & Phillips $665,895 28
MSHC Partners $397,112 18
Moskwa, Shelly $185,295 49

Shelly Moskwa is apparently Skinner's wife.

I don't know her curent involvement in Hillary's campaign, though I've read that she is working for Hillary still. Does it matter? Yeah, it probably does matter, IMO. I haven't seen anything approaching open disclosure of this relationship, and/or any other paid relationships between DU and Hillary or related groups. Such relationships should be out there and not hidden or they should not exist.

At this point it obviously goes to whether this site is an uncompromised and neutral venue for Democratic politics. When Skinner personally gets involved in banning Bernie supporters (I assume that's how it works) there is an issue there that would benefit from a lot of sunlight.

There is other info out there on his wife's relationship to Clinton, I won't post it here because it is on vile RW sites.

Beyond that, Skinner designed the old DLC/PPI website, and the hillarymojo site.

I think the jury system isolates some of the problems that arise from bias at the admin level, but outright banning is, as I understand it, done by the admins, and we're seeing how that goes.

A useful change to this site would be to implement a systematic procedure for banning rather than admin discretion. If Skinner wasn't so heavily invested in the Clinton campaign I wouldn't think it would be necessary, but that's not the world we're living in.

Without that fix, it's hard to see DU being a legitimate vehicle for anything beyond furthering the interests of the corporate wing of the Democratic Party. I like this place and want it to be better than that.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
100. Yes his preference for candidates is well established
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:16 PM
Dec 2015

At the beginning however he suggested that Hillary supporters should be nice to the majority of DU that supports Bernie so as to not disenfranchise voters... Guess that no longer applies.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
171. yea
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 05:39 PM
Dec 2015

when the best writers and thinkers of the 80% of the members who support someone other than Hillary are shoved out, and the rest of the 80% follow, then the 20% left here on DU will have a cheap, bland, boring ghost town.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
230. Time for a Video...
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 02:27 AM
Dec 2015

My Heart Is A Ghost Town....



So appropriate, given the word Ghost Town....and the Second Verse of This Song.

"Died last night in my dreams
All the machines
Had been disconnected
Time was thrown at the wind
And all of my friends
Had been disaffected

Now, I'm searching for trust
In a city of rust
A city of vampires
Tonight, Elvis is dead
And everyone's spread
And love is a satire

And now I know my heart is a ghost town"


Kind of ironic of sorts.

Go Adam Lambert! - Independent Underground

dgibby

(9,474 posts)
181. Yep! I just donated, but
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:38 PM
Dec 2015

I'm sure I'll be able to live with the Ads going forward. I have no problem with any of the Admins/owners of this site backing any candidate. Having said that, I'd prefer they recuse themselves when terminating opposition supporters unless, of course, they apply the same standards to all (which apparently hasn't been done in this case).

Manny, I'm so sad that this has happened to you, but want you to know you're one of best satirists I've ever seen. Best of luck to you now and always. Hope your holidays are happy ones. You will be missed!

 

greiner3

(5,214 posts)
221. "Eventually this will badly hurt his bank account."
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 01:13 AM
Dec 2015

If it's any consolation, I don't feel bad about using ad blockers on DU anymore, not that I've ever clicked on an ad inside a web page.

Hell, if this is all true and becomes general knowledge prior to the election, there might just be a revolt.

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
9. Apparently just happened. There was the usual jr. high school-level glee about it from some quarters
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:50 PM
Dec 2015

...simply confirming what most sadly know about the present state of DU.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
11. I was thinking more like grade school playground level glee...
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:52 PM
Dec 2015

Free speech...is not free...at least here...watch your step and march like a Zombie for her...or else.

Manny I will SO miss your posts...at least his voice cannot be suppressed on the big, wide Net!

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
113. I don't like that manny got banned
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:37 PM
Dec 2015

but, for the record, the 1st Amendment doesn't protect speech on in Internet forum.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
12. PPR'ed
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:52 PM
Dec 2015

I'm not sure if that's permanent or not. Seems to me, it would be pretty foolish to perma-ban the best writers on a site...even if you don't agree with them... but a timeout would make sense. Corrective action without necessarily silencing a voice. But that's just my two cents. If this is how things normally run her, I may have to building a directly competing website.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
54. More like Sears getting rid of retail stores
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:30 PM
Dec 2015

There was more money to be made in finance.

But it happens to all...they soon become cooped by money. And then meld with the system.

kath

(10,565 posts)
55. It would be nice if there were something like a Liberal Underground,
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:31 PM
Dec 2015

, without the stench of the DLC/ThirdWay/TrojanHorse/DINO types who have infiltrated the party of FDR.

Spirochete

(5,264 posts)
121. Wish there was
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:49 PM
Dec 2015

I'd love to see someone like Cali, Willy T or Sabrina put one up. Third Way cementheads need not apply...

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
231. Well There's Independent Underground....
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 02:40 AM
Dec 2015

We're normally posters given a permanent boot are Ultra Right Wingers and Trump Supporters -- you know the one's that have little to no mind to use proper sarcasm to speak (type) on anything of substance.

Independent Underground

merrily

(45,251 posts)
295. There was once a left underground, but that's a whole other story.
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 04:07 AM
Jan 2016

However, there is now a forum for Sanders Supporters jackpineradicals.org

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
17. Holy shit!
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:59 PM
Dec 2015

And it's the royalists who created their own site because they felt that HRH wasn't being treated deferentially enough on DU?

Cassiopeia

(2,603 posts)
20. Hopefully he will post his wonderful musings on the site he created some time ago
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:00 PM
Dec 2015
http://mannygoldstein.net/

I'll miss his posts. They often toed right up to the edge of that line, but did so with a lot of hard truths.

I'll miss watching them catch fire and create debate.

Mbrow

(1,090 posts)
70. I stop there every now and then,
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:41 PM
Dec 2015

haven't seen anything new for a while. damn i'm sorry they banned him, I just donated a 100 buck to this site, now i'm having second thoughts......

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
23. I saw his last post. I refreshed, and it was gone. You will be missed.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:01 PM
Dec 2015

Cheers Manny, wherever you are! Telling it like it is, with your brevity.

JackInGreen

(2,975 posts)
28. The consumate wise ass and satirist
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:06 PM
Dec 2015

At times I balked and disagreed but I never didn't smile. If you're watching Rabbi Goldstien, you'll be missed.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
42. The admins can block posters from posting
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:20 PM
Dec 2015

Generally permanently.


Skinner did that today to Manny.

The term "tombstoned" comes from a previous version of DU software where in the banned poster's profile they inserted a picture of a tombstone.

Jackilope

(819 posts)
35. I will miss his humor and posts
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:12 PM
Dec 2015

Manny was on target regarding the third way infestation of the Democratic Party.

He also communicated the reason why the Democratic Party is taking such a huge hit and loss in members.

If he posts somewhere else, I'd be interested in subscribing there.

MsLeopard

(1,265 posts)
36. Manny, you rock
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:14 PM
Dec 2015

I've been a member here since the beginning, literally. There was under 1,000 members when I joined in 2001 (yes, low post count....). Manny has been one of the best community members ever to post here.

Skinner - you've gotten the last dime from me you will ever get.

 

SoLeftIAmRight

(4,883 posts)
61. I am one of those early joiners also...
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:38 PM
Dec 2015

It is funny how I found this place. From a Bama football site (full of right wing nuts) I learned about that dead right wing site. There I found Bartcop. There I first saw info on DU.

I went to the DC Bartcop gathering. Skinner was there. Short conversation with him left me with an uneasy feeling. Not so left as I like. This is a big part of his life and I guess he really want to keep it going. I still love much about this place but the current smell is strong.

Lots of good posters have moved on - many pushed - it is a sad thing

Not much room for real underground thoughts.

 

Hell Hath No Fury

(16,327 posts)
40. Wait until the general.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:17 PM
Dec 2015

It's going to get REALLY ugly.

I appreciated the hell out of Manny. He fought "The Turd Way" long and hard. Godpseed.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
43. K/R
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:20 PM
Dec 2015

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Response to Jack Rabbit (Reply #43)

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
149. I'm going to miss Manny a lot, but he was not advocating for a big tent
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 04:18 PM
Dec 2015

You can never run away from your problems. They follow you wherever you go. You need to address them head on. I am sorry that so many DUers seem not to get that. We need to fix the Democratic party from within, by building it's progressive base inside the party, not by getting mad and leaving it.

Yes, the democratic party just pulled a dirty trick on our best candidate, but it didn't bring him down. Let's turn it around to his advantage. He's still fighting and we need to stand with him and fight for the Democratic party to become what it should be.

I'm not advocating the tombstoning of Manny. I think under such circumstances, when the dem party plays dirty against it's own candidates, it is OK to be enraged. And I think maybe the TOS should be a little lenient in such cases. People are going to vent and blow up...even good long term users who understand the rules. Sometimes you just get so mad you say fuck the rules. It should not mean the end of long time DUer's. There should be a little judgement used in how the rules are applied when someone expresses honest anger and frustration, for a good reason. DWS did not use judgement in her sanction of Bernie's voter list access. I don't think Skinner used good judgement in not understanding this and permanently banning someone for being pissed at the DNC over such dirty tactics.

A lot of us are really pissed at the DNC. It's been building for some time and this was the straw that broke the camel's back for some. But please people...don't flee the party. Stay and stand with Bernie to try to fix it from within. That is the only way this is going to work. You don't have to donate to the party. But we need you to stand with us to change the party to it represents us, not republican lights. It's OK if it includes some blue dogs. That is the big tent that we need. But we need to build a strong progressive party. Let this fight be the standard bearer...let this be the anchor that brings us together and gets more people out to vote for Bernie.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
220. But he was saying basically that he no longer wanted to support it
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 12:11 AM
Dec 2015

He wanted to not support the party, instead of working toward fixing it. He was willing to throw his vote to a republican (unless he lives in a state where he didn't have to worry about that).

I think it was a temporary frustration and rage response, and he would probably have voted for the dem in the general, no matter who it was, if it meant not having Trump or Cruz as President.

I can only hope so. He's smart...he knows we can't let the Repubs back in.

Response to Skittles (Reply #234)

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
53. Oh No! I've Had To Take Break From Here From Time To Time...
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:30 PM
Dec 2015

but generally come back. Seems Manny has been here forever! I have been "very" careful about what I say though. DU has changed soooooooo much since I joined in 2004. But then so has OUR VERY OWN DEMOCRATIC PARTY!

I do recall the notice that anyone who said they wouldn't vote for Hillary was going to get banned and I have cautioned others who go to the edge.

It is sad, but I know better than to say much more. Perhaps someone needs to start a thread about the rule about Hillary. I remember it from a while back.

Any new members may not know about it. I don't want to be the one to start the thread though.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
75. I suspect our donations are a pittance compared to the revenue
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:45 PM
Dec 2015

that comes in from other sources.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
76. True, but we're at least 75% of DU's posters too
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:46 PM
Dec 2015

No more ad revenue for people who don't post here anymore.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
87. I used to allow ads to be viewed here at DU. I just set my ad blocker to screen them out.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:57 PM
Dec 2015

I consider that my protest.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
101. Same here. My subscription ended this week and I planned to renew yesterday.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:17 PM
Dec 2015

I chose not to.

a2liberal

(1,524 posts)
68. What did I miss?
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:40 PM
Dec 2015

I see that he was tombstoned for supposedly advocating not voting for the nominee (p.s. has that happened to ANY of the Hillary supporters that say they won't vote for Bernie if he wins the nomination?), but I missed the thread where he did that and haven't seen any links.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
74. If any of those Clinton supporters get this treatment, I will be astonished.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:45 PM
Dec 2015

Skinner changed his avatar before any other candidates announced. Then he created that ridiculous HillaryMojo site with our money.

He's not impartial.

werknotgoin2takeit

(172 posts)
84. I've seen Her supporters
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:53 PM
Dec 2015

Say horrible things about Bernie. Threatened to not vote for him, to campaign against him and yet they are still around. Things that make you go hmmm...

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
77. Are the DU admins professional DEM staffers?
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:47 PM
Dec 2015

It seems to me.... if I recollect from background reading during the LGBT "ethnic cleansing" that went on here about 5 years ago ( They reconsidered after a while and let some back in, but the LGBT Group is a friggin' cemetery now.) ....that I read that at least one admin was , essentially, a staffer, or an ex staffer to DEM pols.

Meaning.... it may be hard for them to think about this cycle w/o wondering how it might effect THEM, professionally.

If that's the mentality... I said "IF" .....I imagine Manny's penetrating insights might begin to irk after a while.

werknotgoin2takeit

(172 posts)
82. I can't Believe it!
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:51 PM
Dec 2015

I just posted in the Bernie group how I started an ignore list for the first time. Come back and find that one of my favorite posters has been given the boot. This is terrible. I've been here a long time and I don't want to give this place up but I'm feeling more unwelcome all the time. Manny I will miss you, sometimes your wit went over my head a first, but once I realized what you were about, you never failed to crack me up. I don't know what else to say really but... **shakes fist at the sky, screams incoherently to the heavens**

 

mentalslavery

(463 posts)
95. Its especially strange because he technically did not violate TOS
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:05 PM
Dec 2015

According to skinners own explanation

Say he will not vote for the Democratic nominee if his favored candidate does not win the nomination, and encouraged other people to do the same. From the TOS: "advocating in favor of Republican nominees or in favor of third-party spoiler candidates that could split the vote and throw an election to our conservative opponents is never permitted on Democratic Underground."

Seems as if saying that you won't vote for the democratic candidate is the equivalent of saying to vote for a republican or a third-party spoiler. Which is strange because what if someone is just a non-voter as many in this country are, then by definition they would not be voting for the democratic candidate. Can someone get banned for just saying that they are a none voter?

I hope skinner can re-evaluate this decision and take into account that manny was a passionate and hyperbolic poster and that debate is a good thing. Also, for me personally, when someone loses it and throws a fit about "how they are not gonna vote for the democratic nominee cuz its not their candidate".....that just makes me think less about the poster and the idea of not voting for the democratic nominee. I believe that others around here likely respond the same way.

This policy, and subsequent application, seems to assume that advocating for "not voting for the democratic nominee" influences people to "not vote for the democratic nominee", as opposed to the opposite. For me personally, I think it makes the poster look a little politically immature and naive as well as reflecting to a moment of weakness where their emotions get the best of them and they post something that is embarrassing. This is not to criticize manny's character as well all have said things in the heat of the moment or over the course of an election cycle we regret later.

Me thinks the punishment does not fit the crime. Also, I worry that if we don't have this dialogue then people really will become apathetic and not vote for the democratic nominee because they are not engaged in dialogue about the importance of electing a democrat. Part of the dialogue is pushing back at those that say they will refuse to vote for the democratic nominee if it is not their nominee.

Also, it is just really strange to have such strict rules for speech. I mean I can understand things like attacking people but this is borderline the type of things conservatives on redstate do and can create a situation where people are all just saying the same thing.....and that is boring...which means the rest of us might go elsewhere and ultimately the death of DU....which would be a shame because this is a really cool site with some really cool peeps!!

Hope I have not violated any TOS rules in this reply. Can say as I remember them all.....they are kind of like the terms of service agreements I post yes to without actually thinking about what they say or what they mean....

CaptainTruth

(6,594 posts)
193. You've hit on the same thing I was thinking about.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:01 PM
Dec 2015

Simply saying "I won't vote for A" is not the same as saying "You should vote for B." Trying to equate the two is logically inconsistent.

Of course without the OP to read, we're all left guessing as to what he actually said. (Does anyone have that?)

Re: "Also, it is just really strange to have such strict rules for speech. I mean I can understand things like attacking people but this is borderline the type of things conservatives on redstate do and can create a situation where people are all just saying the same thing."

Agreed. If we all just say the same thing it turns into an echo chamber. Personally, I think most DU members can handle a bit of dissension & talk it out, helping each other come to rational conclusions.

Of course if someone is banned, those discussions won't happen. We won't be able to "talk someone down," explain the error of their ways, & bring them back into the Democratic fold. A person who was (probably temporarily) disillusioned with Democratic party will no doubt be even more disillusioned after being banned from a website that claims to be the "Democratic Underground." What was probably a temporary (& fleeting) feeling will become more entrenched, stronger, longer-lasting, & perhaps even permanent ... so the banning may end up resulting in one (& probably more) lost Democratic votes ... exactly what it allegedly was intended to prevent.

It's sort of like bombing people until they stop hating us. It's short-sighted, misses the big picture, & ultimately never works.

*waiting to be banned for honestly speaking my mind*

@TruthTeamOne

Paulie

(8,462 posts)
259. His ban will not be reversed
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 03:43 PM
Dec 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/128085535#post28

I can only remember a handful at all, and and vaguely remember maybe a single reversal since DU3 came online.

Response to Still In Wisconsin (Reply #96)

beltanefauve

(1,784 posts)
98. I've been here since 2004
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:12 PM
Dec 2015

and I lurk waaay more than I post. I learned about DU while being held in a makeshift cell at Pier 57 in New York. I was one of over 1900 people who was arrested at the RNC. I lurk as much as I do because there are so many gifted, informative posters here saying what I'm already thinking, oftentimes better than I ever could. I'm saddened by Manny's TS, and I'm really concerned about the direction DU is going in. There are way too many Third Way and DINOs on this site now.

Manny, you are missed.

werknotgoin2takeit

(172 posts)
104. Same here
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:19 PM
Dec 2015

I've been on this site for a long time too. Many more before I made a profile and started to post. So many great articles and writers. Learned so much. Find that I spend more time on Reddit these days, strange for an old fart like me. Might have to increase that time. I hate seeing all these familiar names that I enjoy so much fall away. Now I will be waiting for the next ax to fall.

sorechasm

(631 posts)
119. 'Moon them back instead' (from Manny's website)
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:46 PM
Dec 2015

We’re not winning the thing yet, but we’re making damned good progress.

First they steal your money
Then they moon you
Then they steal your message as candidates, then moon you once elected
Then you win
Unless you let them get away with co-opting your message
– Mahatma Goldstein (with deep apologies to Mahatma Gandhi and all sentient beings everywhere)


Hilarious. Find it here:
http://mannygoldstein.net

We'll sure miss you Manny.

sorechasm

(631 posts)
151. Nice phrase for my memory bank.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 04:19 PM
Dec 2015

For my (someday) trip to Tokyo.
Thanks yuiyoshida!

A friend of mine just left for a Holiday in Japan.

yuiyoshida

(41,832 posts)
154. Wow so did my Girlfriend
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 04:22 PM
Dec 2015

She went and watched STARWARS at Midnight and early the next morning flew to Tokyo. She will be there till after January 24th, with her family. Gonna miss Reiko, but I will find things to do over the holidays.

bbgrunt

(5,281 posts)
105. Manny will definitely be missed.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:24 PM
Dec 2015

A superb satirist and chain jerker, this place has just become a lot duller.

marble falls

(57,112 posts)
107. A MannyGoldstein or a WilliamPenn OP or a 10 Dumbest Conservative column....
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:27 PM
Dec 2015

was a high light of being on DU. Now we've got none of them. DU is a less rich place to be because of it.

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
114. Manny I will miss you,
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:38 PM
Dec 2015

I hope that you will be allowed to return.



I wonder, who is purged next?
The holy inquisition seems to be very busy!
What will it do, when most of us leave? There
will only be the sheeples left.

Response to Bubzer (Original post)

 

avaistheone1

(14,626 posts)
131. Manny should be reinstated.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:55 PM
Dec 2015

I think he is a great poster, who is passionate about genuine democratic ideals.

last1standing

(11,709 posts)
136. One of the strongest voices on DU and the biggest reason many kept coming back.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 04:02 PM
Dec 2015

This was a stupid move on the part of the admin. Being in the bag for corporatists is one thing, silencing other opinions is another.

BeanMusical

(4,389 posts)
140. I always looked forward to read Manny's OPs. Such a big loss for DU.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 04:05 PM
Dec 2015

Thank you for this thread, Bubzer.

 

Ned Flanders

(233 posts)
146. My Political Views Have Evolved, Why Hasn't DU?
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 04:15 PM
Dec 2015

I'm a long-term lurker at DU, with nowhere near the number of posts which give one "celebrity" status around here, but I hope you can take a moment to consider my experience with DU.

I was raised Republican, voted for Reagan, but came around about the time they were investigating Bill Clinton's penis. But I still had some rather right-of-middle views, based largely upon my ignorant conservative upbringing. And then I found DU. Democratic Underground (and Bartcop) were instrumental in giving me the information I needed to change course, to recognize the injustice and mistakes of the Republican/Conservative agenda. As I spent more time here, my philosophies and beliefs about life and social justice have changed, I think, making me more Progressive. It is ironic that even as I move to the left, my party has moved more to the right.

I have taken in new information and evolved accordingly. Why hasn't DU? How can you continue to support a candidate who clearly represents the old, corrupted way of doing things? I cannot believe that I have evolved politically to the point where I am considered "far left," but DU is still supporting a candidate who has called herself a moderate, and acted even more to the right.

Skinner, and you other admins: I am calling you out! Can you take a moment to explain why you apparently support HRC? I understand the need for unbiased moderation, but really, you have displayed bias by your silence. To paraphrase some brilliant dude, "in situations of injustice, when you remain silent, you have chosen to side with the oppressor." So really, can you make a stand in support of your candidate?

It should be overwhelmingly clear by now who is the best candidate for President. To those of us who support Bernie Sanders, it is completely unfathomable why any good Democrat would support HRC. If we come across as shrill or overbearing, it is because of our shock. I mean, WTF, really? We have watched the conservatives using all manner of dirty tricks, including fabricating bogus "scandals," so it is very clear to us, and very disappointing, when one of the "good guys" like HRC uses those same tactics. I mean, Mr. Sanders was honorable and honest enough to defend HRC during a debate against the email "scandal." Yet when a scandal is fabricated against Bernie, she remains notably silent, and allows her cronies to wage a full-on media war against him.

We laugh at Trump because he is endorsed by Putin, but when the bankers endorse Clinton, some say it means nothing. C'mon, folks. If it walks like a duck...? Or do you prefer Occam's razor, ya know, the most likely explanation thing?

We have "free speech zones," in the guise of "candidate primary forums," where you aren't allowed to speak any ill will of the candidate. Such forums only facilitate cognitive dissonance.

And members who express their displeasure too forcibly are banned. All opinions are not welcome. There is a difference between Manny and your average conservative troll. By lumping him into their category and silencing him, you have shamed yourself and diminished the quality of DU. What a bummer. I guess I'm next....

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
152. I will definitely miss his sense of humor.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 04:21 PM
Dec 2015

There do seem to be some seriously humorless people around here.

navarth

(5,927 posts)
157. Aw Fuck!!
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 04:32 PM
Dec 2015

They tombstoned Manny??? FUCK THIS BULLSHIT

Skinner you need to do some soul searching, brother.

Fucking WRONG. Think it through. You are hurting people that trust you.

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
159. I'm confused with reason posted for his removal...
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 04:41 PM
Dec 2015

From the 'transpareny page', Skinner wrote: Say he will not vote for the Democratic nominee if his favored candidate does not win the nomination, and encouraged other people to do the same. From the TOS: "advocating in favor of Republican nominees or in favor of third-party spoiler candidates that could split the vote and throw an election to our conservative opponents is never permitted on Democratic Underground."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=176002&sub=trans

Does anyone have a copy of the offending post? Is saying one will not show up and vote the same thing as saying one will vote for a Republican nominee or for a third-party candidate? Can anyone post the actual comment that supposedly was the offending comment? It would be nice to know how badly or even if the TOS were actually violated, or if this was a heated misunderstanding and capable of being corrected this weekend.

Thanks

* and yes, I can understand how someone who is operating a website and in support of one candidate would like to downplay others who do not support the same candidate/issue, but I think this place would be pretty lame if there weren't for opposing views stirring up the conversation.

Who wants to discuss important politics with a mirror?





pacalo

(24,721 posts)
162. I hate tattletales between peers.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 04:52 PM
Dec 2015

I always have -- makes me feel dirty just thinking about those who try to get their peers in trouble.

I've seen the foulest personalities return from one 90-day suspension or another (regular schedule for some) & they're STILL HERE.

Just sickening.

Paka

(2,760 posts)
170. Manny we miss you.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 05:30 PM
Dec 2015

I always looked forward to his postings. Whether he was in his humor mode or his serious mode, he was always a pleasure to read.

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
179. Another huge loss. This is garbage.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:28 PM
Dec 2015

If you cannot be assimilated into accepting neoconservative positions. Your on a short rope around here.

CaptainTruth

(6,594 posts)
185. Seems like the more a person contributes ...
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:16 PM
Dec 2015

... the greater the chance they'll be banned.

It certainly discourages me from contributing. I'll continue ranting on Twitter @TruthTeamOne.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
225. I saw him on Facebook under his regular name
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 01:58 AM
Dec 2015

We're both friends of Will Pitt on FB and he popped up on my page as a suggested friend. His page doesn't look very active though. I hope he keeps in touch. Will would be a good liason because he has many DUers as friends on FB. He even posted a notice of Manny getting banned.

Manny, you will be greatly missed and DU is the lesser for your ban. Find a new outlet for your writing, and let us know where we can continue to enjoy it. Solidarity, my friend.



Uncle Joe

(58,368 posts)
192. I hope Manny regains his posting privileges soon.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:42 PM
Dec 2015


That also goes for the other long time posters that have been suspended over the heat of the primary.


Thanks for the thread, Bubzer.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
200. let's just compare the siglines alone
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:34 PM
Dec 2015

many have L0onix's bug, or even a swarm thereof--this is all out of soldarity



and compare it to the little-kid nastiness of other DUers, deciding that grave-dancing against L0onix is so important they have to commemorate the joyous day in every post they ever made (since it's retroactive); they're *happy* they ran off another DUer, *proud* that they told teacher





everyone's lashed out on DU at one point or another for one reason or another (thanks so damn much, cheep beer) but this whole "I can have any one of you 'got'!" swagger is lashing out in every post

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027460023

Utopian Leftist

(534 posts)
201. Manny, you will be sorely missed!
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:35 PM
Dec 2015

Manny, I sometimes saved your threads for last because I needed a good laugh and knew that you could reliably be counted on to make me laugh.

I can't believe you have been taken away from this place, and I can't imagine what it will be like to go forward without you.

I do wish the admins would reconsider this policy, as it obviously has silenced many intelligent, thoughtful and entertaining liberal minds. Have you never spoken hastily and later regretted it? Is it not harsh punishment to be banished from one's community for what appears to amount to free-thinking?

Fortunately for me, in my heart of hearts I know I will always vote against the RepiglyCONs. They repulse me to no end. But can this place not allow for moments of passion?

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
203. I expressed my feelings for and about Manny over in GD-P
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:53 PM
Dec 2015

on the thread they used to invalidly ban him. And it was invalid because he did not advocate voting for or against anyone. What I wrote came from the heart, and I shared it with friends and enemies alike, so here it is:

------------------------

What stands out about Manny for me is his refusal to be cruel or vindictive toward those who repeatedly verbally abused him. He is consistently kind and polite. That's character. And yes, Hillarians, it matters.

I respect and admire Manny and am grateful for the light, laughter, and humanity he has brought to this website. The admins should be grateful for what he gave to them.

Manny, if you're reading this, know that you are loved by many -- and enjoy it. Because you truly do deserve it.

--------------------------

Most of the Hillarians I seriously do not like, but even more for their gloating about Manny. They just aren't nice people.

Would love to read this thread, but the debate is starting soon, so, will catch up later.

EndElectoral

(4,213 posts)
207. First DNC, and now DU...c'mon Skinner, I've read many comments here every election from voting Nader
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:19 PM
Dec 2015

to Manny's comments.

Uniting a party is not by silencing opposition, nor stretching the TOS rules to silence a long term member.

It's not losing face to reinstate him.

 

Old Codger

(4,205 posts)
210. You bet
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:37 PM
Dec 2015

Some here will miss him the rest of us will not miss him we will be where he is still holding forth

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
217. This place is lot less interesting without Manny. But thankfully, he has moved on to better things
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:52 PM
Dec 2015

and we are going to be able to read his wonderful wit elsewhere. Go Manny, one of DU's best, now DU's great loss.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
226. Skinner: Amnesty, commutation, pardons now will save a lot of grief later
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 02:04 AM
Dec 2015

Take the high road, please.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
236. probably will save the site, too
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 03:27 AM
Dec 2015

This place will be a ghost town when the 80 percent follow their best and brightest somewhere else, and the only ones left are the 20 percent. Picture tumbleweeds rolling down the street in GDP. A scraggy coyote lounging in the corner.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
254. hahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 01:48 PM
Dec 2015

Dante' of sorts.

leveymg, are you over at jackpine's place? You must be there.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
257. +1
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 01:58 PM
Dec 2015

There absolutely should be some form of reasonable pathway back to DU for those who may have overstepped, but are clearly Dems, such as Manny. Anything less is advocating a digital aristocracy, and is decidedly anti democratic IMO.

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
238. Here is a post by someone who was not banned in spite of a long history
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 04:42 AM
Dec 2015

of incivility and just downright nastiness - someone who also said that they would support Trump over Sen. Sanders:

Douglas Carpenter (19,801 posts)

129. I pledge to support Hillary if she is the nominee? Do you pledge to support Bernie if he is the nominee?


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=868787

-----------



131. Absolutely not
I'm a Democrat. He is NOT a Democrat. I wouldn't vote for him if you held a gun to my head, just like I would never and have never voted for a republican in my 38 years of voting. In fact in the minuscule chance that he was nominated I would never give another red cent to the party, knock doors, or phone bank for Dems.

Not in a million fucking years. And frankly, at least 50% of that feeling could be credited to his supporters who have spent the last several years smearing the shit out of real Democrats.

So no, never, ever, ever would I vote for him. Never.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=868804

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
255. better get some screengrabs, she's purged all her past disloyal posts once people
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 01:54 PM
Dec 2015

started hotlinking them

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
256. thank you for that.
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 01:54 PM
Dec 2015

I have just demanded a tombstone for this poster, who obviously has committed a capital offense.

emsimon33

(3,128 posts)
240. Guess it has come to banning anyone who does not chant the Third Way party line
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 06:11 AM
Dec 2015

One by one, the ones with insight and who prompt positive, although sometimes heated, discussions are getting banned. Soon DU will be a one note chorus.

We love you and will miss you, Manny!

lastlib

(23,251 posts)
245. Miss you Manny!!
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 10:14 AM
Dec 2015

We are poorer for your absence here, for the wisdom and humor you would've brought to this site--but we are far, far richer for your having been here to kick our intellectual butts when we sorely needed it. Good travels, friend! Keep up the fight!



whereisjustice

(2,941 posts)
253. Loyalty tests - a very conservative thing. But this is war - Hillary vs. every decent human being
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 01:36 PM
Dec 2015

who knows we deserve and need someone better to represent us. She's got money and power. Apparently some people are attracted to shiny objects more than others.

We're all conservative now, I guess, thanks to the void left behind by radical Republicans. Wall Street moved quickly to fill that space with Hillary.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
262. And DU loses another unique voice...
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 04:02 PM
Dec 2015

...due to overzealous policing of posts from, how to say this, *some* of the members here.

Others seem free to thumb their noses at the rules altogether.

It's one thing for the admins to have a preference. Bully for them (sincerely), they get to. But it should not spill over into biased actions.

At least two examples were posted in the last couple of days, of posts from DUers stating unequivocally they will not vote for Bernie Sanders if he is the nominee. One of them survived an alert and neither poster was banned.

Gosh. Imagine that.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
265. As others on this thread have pointed out...
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 04:29 PM
Dec 2015

...this may come back and bite Skinner et al right in the ass.

Namely: although I recently donated for my star, I won't be doing so again. I'm quite sure I am not the only person who feels this way. I'll set up an ad blocker and do without the Advanced Search function (really the only extra that I use).

Yep, it should be interesting to see going forward how many star renewals there are. When their own internal polls show 85% of DU supports Bernie, and when the admins decide it's war on Bernie supporters, well, that can't end well.

Again, I will not donate to DU again. Period.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
269. yeah, I've noticed that the condemnations are full of 10K+ posters, posters around since 2001,
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 05:49 PM
Dec 2015

posters known even for investigating scandals, and a whole constellation of donor stars

polly7

(20,582 posts)
275. I am still pissed at this!
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 04:17 PM
Jan 2016

Especially seeing: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=86773

DU obviously doesn't consider long-term posters who've voluntarily drawn thousands of comments and participation in threads that took time, thought and commitment to contribute to this site. As compared to the above poster whose only contributions have been mostly vicious and mean snarky replies. So many great, brilliant, witty and kind posters gone, while those who are obviously favoured are allowed to post blather day after day. I hope they quadruple their contributions to the site .... if money ever meant anything here, they'll have to make up for those of us who feel we've been used, and probably even much laughed at behind the scenes for all the many hours we spent trying to contribute interesting material to discuss as progressives - even though we probably were never on the same page we thought we were here. The joke is on all of us. Thankfully there's another new space, with over 650 members in just a few weeks, where many of those brilliant people are now contributing and doing real things to make a difference.

Manny deserved better. As did many others.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
277. Why am I not surprised at who that poster was. On the payroll, as they say.
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 04:29 PM
Jan 2016

This site was never for progressives, or even liberals really. It just seemed that way when compared to Bush and Free Republic.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
278. It hurts me deeply to realize this site isn't what I thought it was.
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 04:38 PM
Jan 2016

So many of us spent years here happily participating thinking we were all mostly of the same mindset - that unacceptable is anything that hurts the planet and the people on it. I haven't spoken of the candidates here previously because I'm Canadian and consider it not my business ........ but fuck that, now. Fracking, war-mongering, a 'feminist' that doesn't give a fuck about the horror and death for so many women and children around the world that have suffered for the same belligerent, mindless, power-hungry need to control the resources of the planet as Bush's cabal - and only those who defend her with the slimy tactics they use here are immune to what others have been driven off for. It's obvious, and it does hurt. I can only imagine how those who've been thrown out here after a decade plus must feel. I'll probably be next. Who cares.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
280. Someone posted in ATA about several posts like that. Supposedly, the difference was
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 04:51 PM
Jan 2016

that, in four words at the end of the post, MannyGoldstein said "Vote Bernie next November." Supposedly, that was telling people to vote for Bernie, even if Bernie was not the nominee." And encouraging others made all the difference, both for MannyGoldstein and LOoniX.

If it was ever on this board that it was okay to say I will never vote for Bernie, ever, but not to say Vote Bernie in November, I missed it.

I don't think people should be banned unless a distinction like that was made public first. I asked about that in ATA, not only for Manny but for others in the future.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
282. ..... and those four words could certainly be used in whatever context one chose to.
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 05:04 PM
Jan 2016

I'm glad that was asked ... I wish the second reply had been responded to. I know Manny and others who've been gotten rid of here are enjoying the new site - so many familiar people there who actually care about what I thought everyone did here - it's just the unfairness of it. It honestly doesn't even make sense to me, reading the original post and the comments re it being allowed to stay and rec'd by so many people. Done is done ... but I just stumbled across this again today and it still bugs me.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
283. jackpineradicals.org went to over 500 posters in a couple three days, now over 650. Both numbers say
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 05:07 PM
Jan 2016

a lot about how many were bugged, esp.since jackpine was in the early stages of testing at the time. So do the numbers of recs on the several appreciation threads that were started the day or two after he was banned. Of course, the site is about helping get Bernie nominated, too.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
284. They sure do.
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 05:19 PM
Jan 2016

I feel bad, I haven't had time to do much reading there lately. A good friend lost her battle with cervical cancer four days ago, I've been back and forth to the city with her before her last hospitalization since just before Christmas. DU has been my homepage for so many years it's just habit to open it up first when I have a few extra minutes. jackpineradicals.org is what this place used to be for me - somewhere to spend a lot of time if I have it. I couldn't believe how many members are there now. That's so great.

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
279. I dont know why everyone is so upset. We have jackpineradical.org
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 04:41 PM
Jan 2016

Manny is over there. DU insists on poisoning itself so be it. Let DU experience the power of the market. Start getting Into the habit of posting over there. They want an echo chamber so bad. They can have one.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
281. That he and others started jackpineradicals.org (plural--I do the singular a lot, too) does not
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 04:57 PM
Jan 2016

affect whether or not the banning was fair.

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
287. I dont have a problem with it either. Just as long as we can also see this is no longer the only
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 05:45 PM
Jan 2016

only sandbox in town so to speak.

I would love to shove the free market down the bullies and conseradems throats here.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
292. I like jackpineradical.org, and love that I get to keep reading Manny's posts...
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 08:25 PM
Jan 2016

along with many other past DUers. I'm trying to transition to there... but its gonna take some time. The set up is fairly different.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
294. Jackpine Radicals is certainly a pleasant and positive site.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 12:41 AM
Jan 2016

I especially like that the discussions are about long term issues.
Not overwhelmed by the horse-race mentality that the MSM thrives in, the hucksterism peddled by such as David Brock and FOX.

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