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The HRC bunch just come across as crybabies. Since they can not refute the truth, they alert. If enough HRC zombies are on the jury, then they win. If not, they lose.

…..I do too. It's tedious and not at all what politically serious people have any time for.

It's Hillary contradicting herself time after time.

What do you think the Republicans are going to do during the general election with Hillary's record of constantly "evolving" or as most people would say, lying and lying about her positions and past positions on the issues.

Hillary cannot win in November 2016. Her record is just awful. And the Republicans have it all down.

How anyone can vote for her in the primaries is utterly beyond me. I don't understand it at all.

especially when it comes to examining pros and cons of candidates. In the case of a potential POTUS the examining should be very intense IMO.

Being dishonest comes from the top.

Just to make sure Hillary is protected from herself

I guess I'd not be surprised considering the jittery frayed nerves and defensiveness of some Hillary supporters lately.

Brought a nice smile to my face.

BTW, I was one of the recs in the original OP.

damning truth. It's a blatant display of a person selling out and becoming cynical.

it is damning, and it's hillary's own words. but HRC supporters still say it's a "highly offensive unattributed, selectively edited video attacking a Democratic candidate for President. This isn't 'discussion', this is character assassination. Please hide." How ridiculous.

If they can't tolerate such mild criticism from the progressive wing of the Democratic Party base, and view this honest video as "character assassination," how the heck will HRC stand against GOP attacks, which will be 10,000 times more viscous, and actually misleading propaganda and character assassination, during the general election?

(I don't mean that in a religious way...)

I have posted a couple of OPs that were meant to ascertain how HRC's supporters think Democrats can deflect or minimize the damages to her campaign when the Republicans start attacking her, based on these specific issues (of course, this query is posited on HRC winning the nomination, an event that seems less and less likely). I have been derided and vilified for these OPs, and not a single HRC supporter has addressed these concerns.

Please, keep posting this information. If the corporate overlords succeed in getting HRC the nomination, we'll need to be ready to counter the Republican attacks. (And, obviously, things will go from bad to worse...)

Democrats need to face the facts.

Superdelegates are watching. They will be responsible for any candidate that faces the GOP in the GE.

Your use of the present participle of the verbs "sell" and "become" indicate a recent selling out and becoming cynical. I would argue that she sold out and became cynical years ago.

her own words, her own actions, her own policies and their results - as disloyal to the DNC. As if the GOP has not ever thought of any of this stuff. What a joke.

The rest of us are not supposed to care about issues. Just Hillary. Not going to happen.

Of course, it is okay for any Hillary supporter to spew shit about Bernie. Because he was not supposed to get this far, I think.

than confront the reality.

I'm fine with people having different opinions than I, and preferring Hillary Clinton to Bernie Sanders in the primary. But that's not the issue here. It's not their beliefs, but their tactics, which I find authoritarian, cowardly, and pathetic.

That was my point. Where am I disagreeing with you?

i was completely agreeing with you, and thought your comment was absolutely on point!! sorry, I just phrased my comment weirdly, I don't disagree with you at all! thanks for the support!

It's alright

Bury their heads in the sand now and she becomes the nominee they will get to watch the GOP bury her completely and we will enter another dark ages...

It happens.

There's no point trying to keep our heads in the sand on this and pretend it's not there. If she wins the primary, and she's the favorite to do so, Democrats are going to have to find a way to combat this stuff or they'll be on the losing end. Those are the harsh realities.

If you want to be a fan of hers, that's your right. Go to one of her rallies or read one of her books or look at some complimentary videos of her, etc. Don't bother with this thread.

If you want to help her win the presidency, then roll up your sleeves and weigh in on how to combat these types of attacks effectively. The Kochs will have them running around the clock.

look, none of us want a Republican in the White House. I'll roll up my sleeves, hold my nose, and vote for HRC, the lesser of two evils, in the general election, if she beats Bernie in the primary. I'd encourage others who live in swing states to do the same in the general, although those in solid blue or red states have the option of not voting for her if they don't want to.

But we need to be aware of her flaws, of which there are many, so that we can properly and effectively defend her against GOP attacks in the general election. Sweeping this under the rug and pretending her inconsistencies don't exist won't solve the problem.

Thanks for the video.
It has been added to my library.
I've had pieces of it, but THIS is a great compilation...
without opinion or commentary.

DURec!

Every Democrat in America ought to see it.

Clinton is a highly flawed candidate and that needs to be understood before it is too late.

Burying one's head in the sand and pretending that Mrs. Clinton doesn't have these consistency problems is a recipe for disaster in the general election if she were the nominee.

Let the Hillarians counter the points in this video instead of hiding it.
Let the Hillarians post a similar video about Sanders and/or O'Malley -- if they have these kinds of problems, I want to know that too.

Sad to say, the Hillarians on DU are much like the ones I encounter in many off-line, real life circles. For some reason they are the most snarky, intolerant, down right mean folks I have dealt with in politics for a long time.

Just like the PUMAs were in 2008.

They alert on their candidate's own words. Okay... How is that going to work if, god forbid, she gets to the general election? Surely these statements will be fodder for her opponent.

Her candidacy has jumped the shark when her own platforms are censured by her supporters.

Either Trump or Hillary get in.

That is the only way the status quo will be able to continue - if we are coerced into accepting it.

of the Hillary supporters on the internet are organized and fed instructions on a regular basis. There is nothing inherently wrong or immoral about this. But it is as creepy as hell -- as this manipulation of the board rules shows perfectly.

Our political revolution is aimed at reclaiming upwards of a trillion dollars of cash flow every year from the 1% to use by our entire society. They aren't going to let go of it easily. This is but a tiny example of what we are up against. Expect more smears and more bullshit.

This is actually good news. It means they are afraid of losing.


However, not every single Hillary supporter in the country is part of that operation. I know several in real life who don't follow the news cycles so closely, but just, generally, believe that Bernie can't win. My favorite line came from somebody I work with who said, "It would really be wonderful if we could have Bernie for President, but, come on. You know he has no chance."

That paradigm was the main Hillary supporting theme on this board until the DataSmear broke last Friday . . . .

A win in Iowa and/or NH will go a long way towards changing that kind of attitude!

We REALLY, REALLY don't trust her.

It seems that fact is unacceptable to some people here. They are the ones that seem to be trying to force a lot of us to have to vote for someone THAT THEY KNOW is not trusted by quite a number of us.

And, not trusting Hillary Clinton DOES NOT MEAN we are not loyal Democrats.

Period.

I don't trust Hillary Clinton at all. I think she cares so much about her big corporate donors that the chances of her putting out policies that actually support ordinary Americans is pretty much nil. I really believe that, which is why I am supporting Bernie so strongly.

Hey! Why not consider becoming a star member of DU to increase your chances against bogus hides?

Seriously, the day the admins do something to put a halt to this crap is the day I write a check.

Thanks for reposting this here.

The first is that I know a portion of my money would go to supporting Skinner's pro hillary website, and I fervently object to that.
Second, I object to the demonstrably biased use of PPRs against Bernie Sanders supporters while hillary supporters walk around free and clear, spouting similar comments and worse.

I haven't gotten my 'star' either.

That's pretty harsh.

I can see why they hate it.

Thanks for re-posting it.

And getting admins to PPR posters. It's absurd.

Flippety-floppety!

It brings a whole new meaning to 'money changed hands,' doesn't it?

tells us that HRC supporters are in great numbers on DU, but also that they are willing like Debbie Wasserman Schultz to squelch anything that detracts from HRC's image. My guess is that it is in fact *NOT* random that it was voted to be hidden. This site is all effed up now because of crap like this. I so miss the better days of DU. I think your video should be re-posted.
Go Bears! (whoever they may be)

The longer she campaigns the more apparent her lack of integrity becomes. There's a reason the majority of Americans don't trust her!

and once they hide your posts enough to get you banned, they'll dance on your grave.

Such wonderful representatives of Hillary aren't they?

If HRC actually makes it to the general, they're going to need us to work for her and beat the Republican. Why belittle and alienate us?

I know if Bernie doesn't make it then I'm certainly not gonna fight.

after all, she's inevitable right? lol

Hillary Clinton Group? Where was the HC Group Host at on this quagmire? I must say that I did not read the Host DU Mail reason for my banning. Apparently my support or vote for HC is not as important as the rules about asking questions on DU Group as far as I can determine. I suppose that this means that I should go somewhere else to support the Democratic Nominee.

Okay, so she's flop-flopped on many very important issues. And so what if she is a corporatist centrist whose priorities are taking care of the rich and powerful. So what if she's okay with perpetual war. So what if she and her husband became filthy rich giving speeches, many of them for Wall Street bankers. We have an opportunity to elect our first "woman" president.

It's become fairly clear that a lot of Democrats don't really care if we have massive economic inequality, healthcare and educational systems that lock people into horrid debt, and gov't that panders mostly to the elites, etc. Hillary's solutions on such issues aren't far removed from that of a moderate Republican, she isn't going to cause any progress to happen on any of those fronts.

I've had posts regarding Hillary hidden several times for being "insensitive", but I've always had the same thought you had: Tell me where you disagree and we can debate the topic instead of running to the censors, but these people can't defend Hillary in the least. I was even suspected of being a "malicious intruder" by some anonymous juror (and man, I'd really like to have a word with them!).

Now I admit my posts can be a bit venomous when I'm angry or feel strongly about something, but hey, that's what it's like when you have a difference of opinion with someone and are trying to hash it out. I would never act like a spoiled brat and run to tell Mama and Daddy if some little kid wouldn't let me play ball with them, but for Hillary's supporters, that is their only tactic. Shoot a spit ball at one of your peers, then when you're confronted about it, you run for cover behind your big, older brother. That's the Hillary group for ya.

They can't defend her policies and it angers them that their champion has put them in such a weak position.

By a Clinton supporter.

*rolls eyes*

Whatever. Going to Costco.

Or MIRT forum are not secret; people can quote/copy anything from them:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025222077

That's one of the dumbest ones yet.

When your own words bury you and people throw their hands over their ears and start singing...

How real deep is their conviction for their own choice?

Face the music and dance.

Hiding your post was turning off the music, taking the player home, looking over their shoulders and saying f&$@ you!

This is exactly why we need a political revolution. It will happen with or without Bernie Sanders.
But with him is a whole lot better.

their failed "Data Breach OMG!!!!111111ONE111!!!!!!" attack on Sanders.

gov't of, by and for the corporations.

In gov't of, by and for the people, they're completely obvious.

Saying the same stuff about George Washington et al that they're saying about Bernie now.

I thought DU was a discussion group - you know, where you can present your reasons why you agree or disagree with the post. Guess not so much any more.

Glad you re-posted.

this won't be locked. The alerter is right, I am not inclined to lock this at this time. Two other group which the alerter posts in, have OPs that are in the very same vein.

the alerter alerted on those as well.

How do some folks sleep at night?

outraged about.

And they said things about her that would surely be hidden if they were said now. But they did a 180 this year and became her most vocal supporters.

and called for death to that wing of the party but is now her #1 fan?

Or the one who plays the liberal tackling dummy on a right wing propaganda network who excoriated her in terms once used only for Republicans here but now believes she is the greatest thing since PB&J?

It's funny what team spirit can do to people.

I had forgotten about the "journalist", thanks for the reminder

Even when that truth comes directly out of the mouth of their chosen candidate.

the truth about Hillary. Ignorance is bliss.

I voted to Leave It.

Calling people names and attacking other Dems should get your --- kicked out.

not someone who doesn't represent the people of the country and our needs

Because the video is just her in her own words.

But, having followed her record for years, I didn't believe a word coming out of her mouth.

and every time I sat on one, EVERY damn time, it was a knee-jerk reactionary, Hillary supporter who did the alerting, and in EVERY case it was over NOTHING!

Such behavior makes me suspect them of existing in a sort of hive mind, which has only one track: worship the Queen Bee or perish!

the "in" for Hillary is there. I have a real fear that she will win just because it's pre ordained. I guess most of us do.

The best thing we can do is to keep posting Bernie's words. He is the best advocate for himself.

I've served on quite a few juries where I wish there was a way to alert the alerter for alerting.

From years of observation, I suspect (but could be wrong) that it is dramatically higher than your average political website.

On the one hand it results in DU being "fairly" junk-free (the real vile stuff left by obvious trolls is quickly cleaned up).

On the other hand, the average DU'ers paranoia/unmitigated horror at the idea that their eyeballs (or eyeballs of their DU peers) might be exposed to an idea they disagree with, seems to result in a lot of threads with a great majority of the replies hidden. When you get to that point, what's the point anymore?

I won't say whose supporters are doing it, but they would do well to clean up their own groups before complaining about anyone else's.

I have a feeling who might be doing it

Purely in the interests of transparency, of course.

They will probably alert on those posts as well. We all know who's doing the alerting anyways, not hard to guess.

I just got blocked from the Hillary subforum. I'm not even sure what I said since I don't remember the last time I posted in there. Oh well, Bernie all the way.

Yeah, I've noticed when you post something critical of Hillary on a Hillary subgroup, you get blocked. No more posting on that thread.
When you criticize Hillary on Bernie group, you receive an Alert Warning.
I don't like their idea of freedom of speech.

It's HRCs very own words that provide the proof of massive deception.

They can try to hide it but they can't erase her words on video after video. And they damn sure can't stop people from sharing these videos all over the internet.

I KNOW they wish they could!

What they neglect to realize is the level of disgust within the Party for corporate, neo-liberal, Turd Way "democrats," such as HRC.

The level of absolute bile and venom spewed by some on DU in the past few months has been disturbing and honestly disheartening. Let's say Sec Clinton wins the nomination, do her supporters truly believe that all of the nastiness will be forgiven and we'll all come together and sing campfire songs in solidarity? After they all complete their victory laps and reality sets in, the Clinton camp will need all the support they can get to get out the vote. I think they are in for a rude awakening when it comes to Sec Clinton's support amongst swing voters. If she loses in the general, the left will be the scapegoat, mark my words. It won't be the flip/flops, the question of trustworthiness, or her positions. The blame will fall squarely on the left, they've already alluded to as much. There needs to be some sane discourse and quickly, or the wounds may be too great to heal. Frankly, for those of us on the left, we need to continue to focus on down ballot races to promote more liberal policies from the ground up at the same time we are promoting our chosen presidential candidates.

Could it get more twisted?
Do so many have this complete disregard for the TRUTH?

DURec

Bernie is ahead in New Hampshire and neck-and-neck in Iowa. How is that "far behind."

Don't these people know we don't vote nationally, so a national poll measures nothing but name recognition.

I guess you could ask them to call the whaaaabulance.

DNClinton may have allowed you get away with it then. You know, like the debates.

or the behavior of her rabid supporters.

to get out during the general if she becomes the nominee. Rovian tactics combined with this?! OY!

It has become apparent that the truth is to be hidden as much as possible saw the same reaction on another thread... H supporters cannot stand the truth in any form...

I just did