Bernie Sanders
Related: About this forumAm I the only one who thinks about this, regarding Bill and Hillary Clinton?
This has been on my mind for awhile and I haven't seen it mentioned on DU, and most certainly not in what little MSM I read and watch.
Although (as far as I know) the Constitution doesn't mention both partners in a married couple being forbidden to hold the office of POTUS, it would seem weird (for lack of a better way to describe my thoughts on it) to me if both Bill and later Hillary both held the office. Bill held the office first, so at the risk of sounding sexist: Bill won the office first, and I just think it would be Weird if both partners of a married couple held the most powerful office in the world. If nothing else, it would be the height of elitism for that one married household. imho.
I've supported Bernie since the first time I heard that he'd declared his candidacy, and I won't vote for Hillary Clinton in the primary for any number of reasons that are mentioned here in the Bernie group daily, and once again after last night's debate. Hillary's 'rational' message and candidacy as mentioned by an aide off the record in the big NYTimes piece a few days back, is basically a strategy of maintaining the Status Quo, and I have had it with politics as usual.
Yeah, we all talk about not wanting JEB to continue the Bush dynasty, and as much as I can't stand any of the Bushes, Dubya and JEB and poppy at least don't all live in the same house. Again, I just have a hangup against family members as a married couple both potentially holding the office. Just my opinion, and of course Americans (particularly rich Americans like the Clintons) have the freedom to run for office as they please.
I think Bernie will win the primaries and in November, but if Hillary were to win the primary and be elected in November, well, I think that would make Bill and Hillary Clinton THE most elite couple in the world -- both having held the highest office in the world. I'm throwing the E word around, but I think this would qualify.
I'm basing all of this on just my thoughts/ void where prohibited/ your mileage may vary.
Please share your thoughts: have you ever thought this as well? And if not, does it matter at all to you?
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Both spouses of a married couple being President would be kind of weird | |
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Go for it - none of your business if both spouses from the same marriage become POTUS | |
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no_hypocrisy
(46,191 posts)Governors are not presidents, granted, but it's still a shared executive office.
HubertHeaver
(2,522 posts)And George garrunteeeeeed he would be the real power, still be the one calling the shots.
no_hypocrisy
(46,191 posts)Mbrow
(1,090 posts)No way they are not talking things out. It's like the Bush family as well. Ha! We thought W was the dumb one.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)I would have supported Michelle Obama if she had decided to run and her platform was very similar to Bernie's.
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)your view is well taken. and yes, it is interesting people are bothered by another member of the bush dynasty occupying the white house and yet, endorse hillary. are we so desperate as a nation to want a woman "leader" in office without regard to what views the woman holds or even consider her elite status? what concerns me more is that all of the candidates are extremely wealthy with their hands in the corporate pot - except perhaps, bernie and o'malley.
thank you for your thoughtful post.
mike dub
(541 posts)N/t
swilton
(5,069 posts)I know this may sound sexist but I can't help but think she wouldn't be where she is now if it weren't for her husband.
I wrote an article recently for a lte about the Clinton legacy - domestic policy-wise....stuck to the issues and didn't bring up Bill's behavior. But the point is, his campaign in 92 introduced the term 'twofer' - in other words if he is elected you get both Clintons....Can't recall if that term was used in the 08 primaries and I haven't heard it mentioned in this cycle. But the fact is many of the advisors for Clinton I are still there and working for Hillary.....And the fact that he is campaigning for her and she herself proclaims that he will be an advisor...it's almost like he's going for his third term....Yes, she heads the ticket but he's clearly operating as her senior advisor.
mike dub
(541 posts)Yeah, I guess that's part of what's weird about it, to me.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)following each other (even if separated by some time distance) in the same office.
Some times it's relatively benign, such as when Muriel Humphrey was appointed to finish out her husband's term. Lindy Boggs, widow of Representative Hale Boggs, successfully ran for his seat after his plane disappeared in Alaska. There are a handful of other examples.
The Constitution makes no mention of spouses in the same office mainly because the could not have imagined women would ever run for office. Keep in mind, the very right to vote was quite restricted by the Constitution, and Senators were elected by state legislatures until 1913.
And the kind of "power couple" that Bill and Hillary represent is something rather new. Whether or not you're bothered by the idea of Hillary becoming President a couple of decades after her husband left that office is going to rest largely on how favorably you view her. If you like her, then I doubt you're at all disturbed by the wife of a former President becoming President in her own right. If not, you will be disturbed.
I would not at all like it if Michelle Obama had decided to run for President, or if she decides to in the future. Up to now she has shown zero interest in electoral politics for herself, and if she were to change, it would smack (to me) of pure opportunism. I think there is certainly a degree of opportunism on Hillary's run for President, just as there was when she ran for the Senate in NY. She is a VERY ambitious person in her own right, and clearly is not willing at this point to give up her dream of being President.
And if we think Jeb's run for President displays a dynastic grab that we don't like, we should in all honesty, feel the same way about Hillary.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)mike dub
(541 posts)For the New World.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)They should run together to lock in this voting bloc.
mike dub
(541 posts)Speaking of Jeb- I'm surprised he's still in it. Family pride, maybe. He'll get shown up by his big brother.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Clearest admission yet that he's not into this for the long haul. There is no normal anymore in politics to be askew. Wasn't he a Governor, a Vice President who got indicted for bribery, or a sandwich?
senz
(11,945 posts)She had never been outstanding in any field or prior endeavor and, of course, had never been a New York resident.
It always strikes me as odd when her supporters include her 8 years as First Lady as "prior experience" and then try to claim that she knows more about government than Bernie, who has 33 years government experience, including 8 years as mayor and 25 years in the U.S. legislature, working hard and winning reelection over and over again. He never won office because of a famous family member or highly placed connections. Her supporters speak of him as an untested newcomer because he wasn't a household name until recently. For many of them, you don't exist until you hit People magazine.
The Clintons seem to consider public office the family toy, something you get if you have enough money, connections and popularity. They have no goals beyond "getting it." They show no interest in serving the people of this country. They are neither inspired nor inspiring. There is something fraudulent about them.