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highplainsdem

(49,041 posts)
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 07:41 PM Apr 2019

Nate Silver: Biden Is Way Out In Front. Second Place Is Anyone's Guess.

Last edited Tue Apr 30, 2019, 08:14 PM - Edit history (1)

See Nate;s twitter thread starting here







and this article at FiveThirtyEight:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/biden-is-way-out-in-front-second-place-is-anyones-guess/




Way too much to even try to summarize this with an excerpt. DUers will find some interesting comments on a lot of candidates.


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Editing to add some excerpts from the article anyway, since I want to show how much Nate Silver is covering here:


Biden’s support is driven by older Democrats and by nonwhite Democrats — two groups that aren’t always well-represented on social media or in other forums that sometimes dictate the conventional wisdom about the candidates. Biden had 50 percent of nonwhite voters in the CNN poll, well ahead of Sanders’s 14 percent. In Morning Consult’s poll, Biden polled at 43 percent among black Democrats, compared to Sanders’s 20 percent. Biden had 46 percent support from Democrats age 50-64 in CNN’s poll and 50 percent support from those 65 and older.

-snipping to get to a section about what Biden's bounce says about the other candidates-

What that means is that it’s time to take stock of the three candidates who have clearly fallen from their peak (so far) in the polls — Sanders, Harris and O’Rourke. You might think that on the basis of his current polling, Sanders remains in a better spot than the other two. However, he’s also much more of a national brand name. And as I wrote last week — and as you can see from the chart — polling at 20 percent is not all that strong a position for a candidate with near-universal name recognition. Sanders, however, polled at just 16 percent in the average of the four national polls released on Tuesday. And he was at only 12 percent in New Hampshire, which should be one of his strongest states. Sanders can win — he’ll raise a lot of money, he came from way far back last time, and he’d likely benefit from scenarios where the field remains divided. But given his name recognition, those polling numbers put him right at the divide between someone whose campaign is going well and someone whose campaign is going poorly.

Harris and O’Rourke are not as widely known as Sanders, and they still have reasonably good favorability ratings and plenty of cash on hand, which suggest that they have upward potential if and when the media’s attention turns to them again. But it’s become harder to make the case that they’re on the lead lap with Biden, especially for O’Rourke, who is competing against a field that’s overstatured with white male candidates and whose polling has fallen further than Harris’s.

Buttigieg doesn’t have any reason to be unhappy; given his low name recognition, polling in the mid-to-high single digits — sometimes higher than that, especially in polls of Iowa and New Hampshire — is a pretty decent position. But if you were expecting a further immediate surge into the teens or beyond — and I sort of was — it isn’t as clear now whether that’s coming. Instead, Buttigieg will need to work to expand his support beyond his initial coalition of highly educated white voters and survive media coverage that’s both less plentiful and more skeptical than it was initially.

But Warren is in an intriguing position. Warren’s the candidate who we thought might have the least overlap with Biden and therefore would be least hurt by his entry into the race — and the polling seems to bear that out. Although both candidates are broadly within the Democratic mainstream, she’s toward the left half and he’s toward the moderate half. She’s a woman and he’s a man, obviously. His case rests heavily on electability and big, abstract, meat-and-potatoes themes; she appeals to voters on the basis of her highly detailed policy proposals. Her base is college-educated whites; his is non-college-educated white voters and black voters. Biden and Warren have directly clashed over issues such as bankruptcy laws.

-snip-



Much, much more at the link.

Anyway, I wanted to include what Nate said about the groups where Biden has the most support not always being well-represented online. I do think that led to many people underestimating how much support there really is for Biden.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Nate Silver: Biden Is Way Out In Front. Second Place Is Anyone's Guess. (Original Post) highplainsdem Apr 2019 OP
Interesting way of typing "CrAzY* PoLLiNg". George II Apr 2019 #1
LOL! True. I liked it. highplainsdem Apr 2019 #2
2nd place is Elizabeth Warren - according to this poll: bloom Apr 2019 #3
Kick! thanks for this, highplains! Cha Apr 2019 #4
I agree with Nate Gothmog Apr 2019 #5
Underestimated, yes peggysue2 Apr 2019 #6
Thanks! Great post! I'm linking to that Upshot column you mentioned -- highplainsdem Apr 2019 #7
That's the one peggysue2 Apr 2019 #8
Thanks again! I just found an old thread here about that column, a thread posted by ehrnst, and highplainsdem Apr 2019 #9
Back at you, highplainsdem peggysue2 Apr 2019 #10
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
1. Interesting way of typing "CrAzY* PoLLiNg".
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 07:49 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

highplainsdem

(49,041 posts)
2. LOL! True. I liked it.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 08:04 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,691 posts)
4. Kick! thanks for this, highplains!
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 08:44 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

peggysue2

(10,839 posts)
6. Underestimated, yes
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 09:04 PM
Apr 2019
I do think that led to many people underestimating how much support there really is for Biden.

I've read this conclusion several times today at various blogs.

I think it was Upshot at the NYT that ran a study several weeks ago indicating that the opinions on social media were far more left-leaning than the majority of Democrats across the country. The poll numbers Joe Biden is racking up at the moment aligns with the study: that there are far more liberal/moderate/conservative voters out there than we would like to believe and/or are led to believe by blogs, websites and twitter accounts.

The Sanders'-wing is simply not catching fire.

In addition, I think the support that Biden is enjoying from the AA community is really important. He's getting strong support from POC in general. But 48% of AA women at this early date support Biden's run. As do a nearly equal % of AA men. I suspect that is partially due to the Obama/Biden legacy. But I also think is has a pragmatic edge: Democrats want this orange-haired ignoramus out, kicked to the curb with his whole slimy family. And a whole lot of people feel exactly like I do:

Joe Biden is the candidate to do that. It's a Go For Joe!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

highplainsdem

(49,041 posts)
7. Thanks! Great post! I'm linking to that Upshot column you mentioned --
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 09:53 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

peggysue2

(10,839 posts)
8. That's the one
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 09:57 PM
Apr 2019

Something of an eye-opener, as in the Democratic world is far larger and politically diverse than Twitter would have us believe.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

highplainsdem

(49,041 posts)
9. Thanks again! I just found an old thread here about that column, a thread posted by ehrnst, and
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 10:07 PM
Apr 2019

kicked it (which worked; often kicking older threads doesn't bring them back to the top), and linked to this topic and your replies with the post kicking it.

I think it's very important info that DUers need to keep in mind, and I'm so glad you brought it up.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

peggysue2

(10,839 posts)
10. Back at you, highplainsdem
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 10:34 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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