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Congratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
Nate Silver: Biden Is Way Out In Front. Second Place Is Anyone's Guess.
Last edited Tue Apr 30, 2019, 08:14 PM - Edit history (1)
See Nate;s twitter thread starting here
Link to tweet
and this article at FiveThirtyEight:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/biden-is-way-out-in-front-second-place-is-anyones-guess/
Way too much to even try to summarize this with an excerpt. DUers will find some interesting comments on a lot of candidates.
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Editing to add some excerpts from the article anyway, since I want to show how much Nate Silver is covering here:
Bidens support is driven by older Democrats and by nonwhite Democrats two groups that arent always well-represented on social media or in other forums that sometimes dictate the conventional wisdom about the candidates. Biden had 50 percent of nonwhite voters in the CNN poll, well ahead of Sanderss 14 percent. In Morning Consults poll, Biden polled at 43 percent among black Democrats, compared to Sanderss 20 percent. Biden had 46 percent support from Democrats age 50-64 in CNNs poll and 50 percent support from those 65 and older.
-snipping to get to a section about what Biden's bounce says about the other candidates-
What that means is that its time to take stock of the three candidates who have clearly fallen from their peak (so far) in the polls Sanders, Harris and ORourke. You might think that on the basis of his current polling, Sanders remains in a better spot than the other two. However, hes also much more of a national brand name. And as I wrote last week and as you can see from the chart polling at 20 percent is not all that strong a position for a candidate with near-universal name recognition. Sanders, however, polled at just 16 percent in the average of the four national polls released on Tuesday. And he was at only 12 percent in New Hampshire, which should be one of his strongest states. Sanders can win hell raise a lot of money, he came from way far back last time, and hed likely benefit from scenarios where the field remains divided. But given his name recognition, those polling numbers put him right at the divide between someone whose campaign is going well and someone whose campaign is going poorly.
Harris and ORourke are not as widely known as Sanders, and they still have reasonably good favorability ratings and plenty of cash on hand, which suggest that they have upward potential if and when the medias attention turns to them again. But its become harder to make the case that theyre on the lead lap with Biden, especially for ORourke, who is competing against a field thats overstatured with white male candidates and whose polling has fallen further than Harriss.
Buttigieg doesnt have any reason to be unhappy; given his low name recognition, polling in the mid-to-high single digits sometimes higher than that, especially in polls of Iowa and New Hampshire is a pretty decent position. But if you were expecting a further immediate surge into the teens or beyond and I sort of was it isnt as clear now whether thats coming. Instead, Buttigieg will need to work to expand his support beyond his initial coalition of highly educated white voters and survive media coverage thats both less plentiful and more skeptical than it was initially.
But Warren is in an intriguing position. Warrens the candidate who we thought might have the least overlap with Biden and therefore would be least hurt by his entry into the race and the polling seems to bear that out. Although both candidates are broadly within the Democratic mainstream, shes toward the left half and hes toward the moderate half. Shes a woman and hes a man, obviously. His case rests heavily on electability and big, abstract, meat-and-potatoes themes; she appeals to voters on the basis of her highly detailed policy proposals. Her base is college-educated whites; his is non-college-educated white voters and black voters. Biden and Warren have directly clashed over issues such as bankruptcy laws.
-snip-
-snipping to get to a section about what Biden's bounce says about the other candidates-
What that means is that its time to take stock of the three candidates who have clearly fallen from their peak (so far) in the polls Sanders, Harris and ORourke. You might think that on the basis of his current polling, Sanders remains in a better spot than the other two. However, hes also much more of a national brand name. And as I wrote last week and as you can see from the chart polling at 20 percent is not all that strong a position for a candidate with near-universal name recognition. Sanders, however, polled at just 16 percent in the average of the four national polls released on Tuesday. And he was at only 12 percent in New Hampshire, which should be one of his strongest states. Sanders can win hell raise a lot of money, he came from way far back last time, and hed likely benefit from scenarios where the field remains divided. But given his name recognition, those polling numbers put him right at the divide between someone whose campaign is going well and someone whose campaign is going poorly.
Harris and ORourke are not as widely known as Sanders, and they still have reasonably good favorability ratings and plenty of cash on hand, which suggest that they have upward potential if and when the medias attention turns to them again. But its become harder to make the case that theyre on the lead lap with Biden, especially for ORourke, who is competing against a field thats overstatured with white male candidates and whose polling has fallen further than Harriss.
Buttigieg doesnt have any reason to be unhappy; given his low name recognition, polling in the mid-to-high single digits sometimes higher than that, especially in polls of Iowa and New Hampshire is a pretty decent position. But if you were expecting a further immediate surge into the teens or beyond and I sort of was it isnt as clear now whether thats coming. Instead, Buttigieg will need to work to expand his support beyond his initial coalition of highly educated white voters and survive media coverage thats both less plentiful and more skeptical than it was initially.
But Warren is in an intriguing position. Warrens the candidate who we thought might have the least overlap with Biden and therefore would be least hurt by his entry into the race and the polling seems to bear that out. Although both candidates are broadly within the Democratic mainstream, shes toward the left half and hes toward the moderate half. Shes a woman and hes a man, obviously. His case rests heavily on electability and big, abstract, meat-and-potatoes themes; she appeals to voters on the basis of her highly detailed policy proposals. Her base is college-educated whites; his is non-college-educated white voters and black voters. Biden and Warren have directly clashed over issues such as bankruptcy laws.
-snip-
Much, much more at the link.
Anyway, I wanted to include what Nate said about the groups where Biden has the most support not always being well-represented online. I do think that led to many people underestimating how much support there really is for Biden.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Nate Silver: Biden Is Way Out In Front. Second Place Is Anyone's Guess. (Original Post)
highplainsdem
Apr 2019
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Thanks again! I just found an old thread here about that column, a thread posted by ehrnst, and
highplainsdem
Apr 2019
#9
George II
(67,782 posts)1. Interesting way of typing "CrAzY* PoLLiNg".
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(49,041 posts)2. LOL! True. I liked it.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bloom
(11,635 posts)3. 2nd place is Elizabeth Warren - according to this poll:
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,691 posts)4. Kick! thanks for this, highplains!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,567 posts)5. I agree with Nate
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
peggysue2
(10,839 posts)6. Underestimated, yes
I do think that led to many people underestimating how much support there really is for Biden.
I've read this conclusion several times today at various blogs.
I think it was Upshot at the NYT that ran a study several weeks ago indicating that the opinions on social media were far more left-leaning than the majority of Democrats across the country. The poll numbers Joe Biden is racking up at the moment aligns with the study: that there are far more liberal/moderate/conservative voters out there than we would like to believe and/or are led to believe by blogs, websites and twitter accounts.
The Sanders'-wing is simply not catching fire.
In addition, I think the support that Biden is enjoying from the AA community is really important. He's getting strong support from POC in general. But 48% of AA women at this early date support Biden's run. As do a nearly equal % of AA men. I suspect that is partially due to the Obama/Biden legacy. But I also think is has a pragmatic edge: Democrats want this orange-haired ignoramus out, kicked to the curb with his whole slimy family. And a whole lot of people feel exactly like I do:
Joe Biden is the candidate to do that. It's a Go For Joe!
I've read this conclusion several times today at various blogs.
I think it was Upshot at the NYT that ran a study several weeks ago indicating that the opinions on social media were far more left-leaning than the majority of Democrats across the country. The poll numbers Joe Biden is racking up at the moment aligns with the study: that there are far more liberal/moderate/conservative voters out there than we would like to believe and/or are led to believe by blogs, websites and twitter accounts.
The Sanders'-wing is simply not catching fire.
In addition, I think the support that Biden is enjoying from the AA community is really important. He's getting strong support from POC in general. But 48% of AA women at this early date support Biden's run. As do a nearly equal % of AA men. I suspect that is partially due to the Obama/Biden legacy. But I also think is has a pragmatic edge: Democrats want this orange-haired ignoramus out, kicked to the curb with his whole slimy family. And a whole lot of people feel exactly like I do:
Joe Biden is the candidate to do that. It's a Go For Joe!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(49,041 posts)7. Thanks! Great post! I'm linking to that Upshot column you mentioned --
at least I think this is the one you were referring to:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/04/08/upshot/democratic-electorate-twitter-real-life.html
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
peggysue2
(10,839 posts)8. That's the one
Something of an eye-opener, as in the Democratic world is far larger and politically diverse than Twitter would have us believe.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(49,041 posts)9. Thanks again! I just found an old thread here about that column, a thread posted by ehrnst, and
kicked it (which worked; often kicking older threads doesn't bring them back to the top), and linked to this topic and your replies with the post kicking it.
I think it's very important info that DUers need to keep in mind, and I'm so glad you brought it up.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
peggysue2
(10,839 posts)10. Back at you, highplainsdem
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden