Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumWashington Post-Joe Biden's message to Donald Trump: I'm no socialist.
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He has embraced raising the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour, a posture that advances on Hillary Clintons stutter-step approach to raising wages in 2016, and he has touted a plan to allow anyone to go to community college free.
But he has spurned others, calling for improvements to Obamacare but declining to back a Medicare-for-all plan backed by many of his partys 2020 candidates. Rather than railing on the wealthy, he takes pains to point out they, too, are good people. While he has talked about the need to address climate change, he has yet to embrace anything approaching the Green New Deal.....
Her sentiment was echoed at Bidens first public campaign event in Pittsburgh during his introduction by the head of the international firefighters union.
Let me shoot straight with you, and this might not be popular in parts of the Democratic Party, said union president, Harold Schaitberger. We cant have a nominee thats too far left. Its just that simple. A candidate that has high-minded ideals, maybe honorable ideas, but little chance of winning.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Let me shoot straight with you, and this might not be popular in parts of the Democratic Party, said union president, Harold Schaitberger. We cant have a nominee thats too far left. Its just that simple. A candidate that has high-minded ideals, maybe honorable ideas, but little chance of winning.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)He's saying too far left has little chance of winning, but he makes clear that those ideas aren't wacky...they are honorable.
ALL the ideas by all the candidates are honorable. So we will nominate someone with honorable ideas.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
JI7
(89,276 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,619 posts)We have to defeat trump. There is a very good chance that trump will win if we pick a weak or unsafe choice. There are posters who believe that we can nominate the most liberal/socialist nominee as possible and that candidate will easily win because everyone hates trump. It is their position that this is a historic opportunity to nominate someone would otherwise not be electable.
From Larry Sabato https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-economy-got-nixon-reagan-and-bush-reelected-it-could-do-it-for-trump-too/2019/04/23/b8920d34-65e6-11e9-a1b6-b29b90efa879_story.html?utm_term=.a35b315730d2
Credit the powers of incumbency and a strong economy, the state of which may matter more to Trumps odds than nearly anything else. Incumbency and the economy, among other matters, ended up being more than enough for Nixon, Reagan and Bush. Despite Trumps unprecedented outlandishness, that same combination might work for him, too.
Most POTUS are re-elected if the economy is good. Here is a scary study that shows this
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There are good reasons to doubt this study
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I do not believe that trump is assured of winning. If we want to win, Democrats need to nominate a strong nominee who is NOT too far out of the mainstream
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,422 posts)they were Democrats, not Democratic Socialists:
https://www.apnews.com/1d5789a50f854a5ab897292015343810
https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/433381-warren-says-its-just-wrong-to-call-her-a-socialist
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)I wouldn't have thought Harris is associated with the word. I didn't know about Warren.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
crazytown
(7,277 posts)But capitalism without rules is theft
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)I dont believe any in the house are. AOC actually comes very close, possibly crossing the line. While I dont agree with how she takes some of her shots I think she is probably one of the best spokespersons we have seen at that level when it comes to socializing more parts of our economy.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LakeArenal
(28,847 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
hurl
(938 posts)Joe is establishing his safe bona fides with boomers like me. Problem is we're the past, not the future.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)Old people vote
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
crazytown
(7,277 posts)A system that has not produced any growth in real wages since the early 70s needs fundamental change.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
I refuse to believe that a candidate that has big ideals can't win. We wouldn't have social security and Medicare without big ideas. Having a good messenger is the important thing. If you start big, sometimes when you have to compromise the compromise won't bring us so far to the right. I will certainly root and vote for Biden if he is our nominee, however.
As for socialism, the Repukes now label anything that helps those who aren't rich as socialist.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)Dont you think you have a good perspective of the history you have lived. The torch is passed as younger generations age and vote in higher percentages. At our age we have enough time behind us to understand that the youthful rising is little more than smaller percentages of loud and energetic people. Thats not a knock. Its a proven trend.
You are the present.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,723 posts)him.. we are looking to the future for our Children, Grandchildren, and their Children's Children.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,723 posts)for our Children and Grandchildren and their children's Children.
We Want the Psycho Gone so we can have a future for them.
Joe Biden is quite capable of doing that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)1. As you said, turfing the turd out
2. A better result in 2022 than the disasters of 1994 and 2010
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,723 posts)I'm right there with you, crazytown!
2022 like 2018.. only more so!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)Ruben Bolling recently ran a cartoon titled Socialist Invaders From The Future. In it Bernie, Elizabeth Warren, And AOC time travel back to the 50s. They try to scare a young 50s couple with talk of an 80% top tax rate.....puzzled the couple says you lowered it from the 91% it is now? They then say they will introduce a humane and expanded system for refugees to app,y for asylum here. The 50s Couple says we have that now. And so on. AOC , Bernie, And Warren give up trying to scare them.
Eisenhower was a republican who instituted those top tax rates.
My how things and perceptions have changed.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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NYMinute
(3,256 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,619 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
R B Garr
(16,985 posts)socialism as that fits his demonization skills. He has no capacity to discuss our actual government as it exists so he needs this simpleton approach of accusations and manipulations. He doesnt want Biden explaining the real world to him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden