Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumJoe Biden doesn't owe me an apology. Clarence Thomas does.
Joe Biden doesnt owe me an apology. Only Anita Hill can speak to what he owes her, but as the uncalled witness in the 1991 Senate confirmation hearings of Supreme Court nominee Clarence Thomas, I believe we have more pressing issues than whether Biden has sufficiently apologized for what did or did not happen almost three decades ago.
Lets get our priorities straight. We can discuss ad nauseam whether Biden acted appropriately during those 1991 hearings, and whether hes too touchy-feely now. But why allow those issues to derail his presidential bid when the vulgar, always inappropriate current occupant of the White House has bragged about groping women and entering dressing rooms to ogle half-naked girls during the Miss Teen USA pageant? At stake is the 2020 presidential election, and if we dont keep our eyes on that prize, we might find ourselves trumped again.
As chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee 28 years ago, Biden performed poorly; his lack of support for Hill was appalling. Hill says Biden promised her that she would be allowed to testify first. Everyone knows now that didnt happen, a turn that allowed Thomas to frame the hearings to his advantage. Biden could have done more or at least tried to moderate the heartless grilling of Hill by his Senate colleagues. He could have called me to speak to Thomass behavior, thus backing Hills testimony. Yet he chose not to. For Hill, Biden was about as useful as an umbrella to a skydiver.
But lets keep things in perspective. The Thomas hearings were extraordinary for any number of reasons. Hard as it might be to imagine now, there was no national conversation about sexual harassment before the hearings. Secondly, the all-white, all-male Senate Judiciary Committee in 1991 had not the first clue about how to handle the accusations of a clearly accomplished, reputable, African American female law professor against an equally accomplished, African American male appeals court judge. Sensing the senators unease, Thomas played his race card in his opening remarks, declaring that the hearings were nothing more than a high-tech lynching for uppity blacks who in any way deign to think for themselves.
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This is not the time to ask Biden to answer for what happened 28 years ago. We need him to carve us a pathway forward. He doesnt owe me an apology. But I will tell you who does: Clarence Thomas.
Read more:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/joe-biden-doesnt-owe-me-an-apology-clarence-thomas-does/2019/05/01/fb7577d6-6c2f-11e9-be3a-33217240a539_story.html?utm_term=.45f81cafa32b
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Thanks Angela Wright
p.s. there's some question about whether she was willing to testify without a subpoena -- Biden says he received word that day that she wasn't.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pnwmom
(108,979 posts)to be called.
And she HAD been subpoenaed. Why would her requiring the subpoena -- that they had issued to her -- make Biden not call her in the end?
Surely Biden was familiar with the concept of a "friendly subpoena."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)It isn't even clear here:
Notice that Wright doesn't say "I wanted to testify," or even that "I was willing to testify." Yes, he could have compelled her to speak, and the word he received that day was that he would have had to. He chose to respect her wishes as he understood them. I think it was the right decision.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pnwmom
(108,979 posts)by saying "I wanted to testify"?
She has made it abundantly clear that she was willing to testify, but under subpoena.
And Anita Hill was very disappointed when Wright and the others weren't called. Shouldn't her wishes have mattered, too?
And he didn't just let her down -- he let all Americans down, by making decisions that ended up helping Thomas get on the court, despite the Democrats holding a solid majority on the Committee.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pnwmom
(108,979 posts)waiting to be called to testify under subpoena.
Why did she have to "want" to testify? What person in their right mind would WANT to testify publicly under those circumstances? She was WILLING and that's all that should have mattered.
And Biden cited time limitations at the time -- but it was in his power to extend the hearings another day.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1991-10-14-9104020934-story.html
Wright was scheduled to appear in person but agreed to let her interview with committee staff members stand as her account because the hearing was running hours behind schedule, according to Biden.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)And I completely agree with his decision. The senators would have destroyed her credibility and it would have detracted from Hill's testimony, which was perfectly compelling without it. And we both know it wouldn't have changed a single vote except possibly in Thomas' favor.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pnwmom
(108,979 posts)and she felt he let her down.
And it wasn't just Angela Wright he didn't call. There were two other corroborating witnesses who he decided time prevented from giving public testimony.
But he had time to let someone testify about a crackpot theory of Anita having "erotomania."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)And it wasn't about Hill or Wright or Biden, it was about Thomas. And Biden voted against him twice, and ran the hearings for a month in the face of considerable opposition. So he gets credit for that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pnwmom
(108,979 posts)even if it was under subpoena.
And Biden has said that he thinks if the women had testified, Thomas might not have been confirmed. So Biden gets some credit for Thomas ending up on the court. The Dems had the majority and if the women had given their testimony, the vote might have gone the other way.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pnwmom
(108,979 posts)offering corroborating testimony could have made the difference.
Instead, Biden bent over backwards to give Thomas the benefit of the doubt.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/what-joe-biden-hasnt-owned-up-to-about-anita-hill
On September 27, 1991, the Judiciary Committee was scheduled to vote on Thomass confirmation, sending it to the rest of the Senate for final approval. Unexpectedly, the committee split evenly, showing more opposition to Thomas than expected. The public still knew nothing. But when Biden himself voted against Thomas in committee, he made a cryptic public statement warning against the idea that Thomass character should be an issue. I believe there are certain things that are not at issue at all, Biden said, and that is his character. This is about what he believes. Further, Biden admonished, I know my colleagues will refrain, and I urge everyone else to refrain from personalizing this battle.
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Biden succeeded on one key point. He insisted that if there were other women who could corroborate Hills sexual-harassment accusations or who had had similar experiences, they should be allowed to testify, over Republicans objections. And there were three women who wanted to testify, which might very well have changed the outcome of the final vote. But the Republicans convinced Biden that one of the women, Angela Wright, who, like Hill, worked for Thomas at the E.E.O.C., would not hold up as a witness. Wright watched the hearings on television from her lawyers office, waiting to be called. Wright had a corroborator, Rose Jourdain, who also was eager to testify, but she, too, never got the chance. They and a third woman, Sukari Hardnett, instead were allowed to submit only depositions or written statements, which went into the public record so late that few senators ever saw themall of which was Bidens call.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Yes and we all might very well become lotto billionaires tomorrow. Who would have changed their vote to nay? No one. I like Jane Mayer but she's writing from the same fantasy slant that RW nutjobs have been putting on this thing for 28 years. Yes, Wright was waiting, but you already conceded that she had also refused to testify voluntarily, as Biden had expected her to. And Biden was right not to compel her to speak against her will, and it would only have helped Thomas if she had.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pnwmom
(108,979 posts)was split down the middle, so they only needed to flip one vote.
As I've explained repeatedly, she was willing and expected to testify with a subpoena, which they had obtained. But she wanted the burden to be on the committee, not on her. She didn't want to go up against Thomas on her own volition. What is so difficult about that for you to understand?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,274 posts)did say clearly that "..Joe Biden doesn't owe me an apology.. Clarence Thomas does.".
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pnwmom
(108,979 posts)It's Anita Hill who deserved an apology. I hope he has finally made peace with her.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pnwmom
(108,979 posts)Maybe he's done that by now. I hope so.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
robbedvoter
(28,290 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
rusty quoin
(6,133 posts)But this is what is left in my memory back then:
I thought that there was no way to decide whether or not she was right. (I am certain she was honest now)
I thought that Ted Kennedys questions were more important, because he attacked his record. His record was crazy right.
Joe Biden was amazingly tanned and smiling.
I have been better since, especially since G W Bush.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
pnwmom
(108,979 posts)Yes, Ted did a much better job than Joe, who really let Anita (and America) down. It's easy to forget that the D's had a solid majority on the committee. The result could have been very different.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
robbedvoter
(28,290 posts)captured the attitudes pretty accurately. Biden enabled the GOP 🐷🐷.
https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/cold-opening/n10108
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
delisen
(6,044 posts)from public scrutiny nor are their records.
None of the current candidates running are essential to winning the oval office.
It is unlikely that any candidate who may announce in the future will be essential to winning the oval office.
Our democratic process is how we engage in democracy.
We are engaged and the candidates must engage also.
We still have topics being downplayed and ignored by candidates. These must also be discussed by candidates. Russian interference is one of these topics.
I noted yesterday the power of the voices of women on the judiciary and I have noted in general the power of the voices of women in confronting both William Barr and Jaime Dimon in hearings. I've noted the power of the women we have elected in the Blue Wave.
This is the true revolution. It cannot be postponed.
Now is the time to discuss. If not now, when?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)with respect, ran a fair hearing, and voted against Thomas. If Hill wishes to continue to hold a grudge against him, that is on her.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
robbedvoter
(28,290 posts)Being told to "move on" is truly offensive. Thomas being horrible is not an excuse for Biden. he is the result of his actions.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LakeArenal
(28,819 posts)Move on. Thats the only option.
Biden isnt dropping out. Anita Hill cant accept, we need to move on.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
robbedvoter
(28,290 posts)rape victims questions during Kavanaugh hearings just popped into my mind. Biden is running on misogyny - this thread reinforces my feeling.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LakeArenal
(28,819 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
robbedvoter
(28,290 posts)to Hill and each of us. In this sentence, Thomas is the object ("for what?" . The either/or is a specious argument and it won't work.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden