Democratic Primaries

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 01:17 PM

Mar 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)

2. But there's no voter registration in Vermont!!...

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 01:22 PM

Mar 2019

Or something.

Sid

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

KitSileya

(4,035 posts)

7. Yes, or something.

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 01:33 PM

Mar 2019

Imagine that registering as a Dem in Vermont is as easy as filling out a rubric when one files for election? Who'd a thunk it?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

George II

(67,782 posts)

9. Patrick Leahy has been filing as a Democrat since at least 1975.

Reply to KitSileya (Reply #7)

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 01:39 PM

Mar 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)

29. Bernie wants to have his cake, and eat it too...nt

Reply to KitSileya (Reply #7)

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 03:43 PM

Mar 2019

Sid

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)

10. Check out the sample ballots.

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 01:43 PM

Mar 2019

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11843838

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

RandySF

(58,899 posts)

17. You still have to declare party as a candidate

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 02:15 PM

Mar 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

brooklynite

(94,594 posts)

23. Has nothing to do with how you run for office.

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 03:00 PM

Mar 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

stopbush

(24,396 posts)

27. FEC forms. Has nothing to do with Vermont.

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 03:29 PM

Mar 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

MrsCoffee

(5,803 posts)

3. No surprise at all.

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 01:26 PM

Mar 2019

He has been steadily losing credibility over the last couple of years. I don't believe a word that comes out of his mouth in regards to my party.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)

25. If we could we could analyze something from history, would prove valuable to us since

Reply to MrsCoffee (Reply #3)

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 03:25 PM

Mar 2019

it is HAPPENING AGAIN!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)

4. Why would he have to register 5 years in advance.

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 01:28 PM

Mar 2019

Sorry but that doesn't seem credible to me.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

KitSileya

(4,035 posts)

5. Apparently it has to do with donations now that the 2018 election is over.

Reply to Trumpocalypse (Reply #4)

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 01:31 PM

Mar 2019

If he wants to continue getting donations for his Senate campaign, he needs to file now otherwise he'd be restricted when it comes to how much he can receive in donations.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)

6. Thanks

Reply to KitSileya (Reply #5)

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 01:32 PM

Mar 2019

That makes sense.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

George II

(67,782 posts)

8. He filed his 2018 re-election form as an Independent well before....

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 01:38 PM

Mar 2019

....the 2016 Democratic National Convention.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

KitSileya

(4,035 posts)

11. Well, as I said, it's very peculiar to refuse to join an organization

Reply to George II (Reply #8)

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 01:59 PM

Mar 2019

unless one is elected leader of the said organization. Even if a person works with the organization, it is unusual to ask to be elected leader of it - and refuse to join it otherwise.

To me personally, it seems like a certain arrogance, a dismissal of the leadership of the organization as not good enough, as seeing oneself as the one true savior. But as I said, that is my personal impression, should someone do that to, say, the teacher's union in which I am county leader, for example.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

brer cat

(24,576 posts)

13. I join you in that opinion.

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 02:02 PM

Mar 2019

Very peculiar indeed.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)

16. I concur with your opinion. nt

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 02:15 PM

Mar 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

sheshe2

(83,789 posts)

18. I agree.

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 02:18 PM

Mar 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)

26. It is FUCKING happening FUCKING again and I am LOSING my patience with

Reply to sheshe2 (Reply #18)

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 03:25 PM

Mar 2019

the people FALLING for it!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)

30. Because we are a means to an end for him

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 03:46 PM

Mar 2019

we are the only path for him to be on committees in the Senate.

We are the only path for him to win the presidency.

He's not "joining" us because he wants to be on our team, he's "joining" us because he needs us.

Once he loses in the primaries, he's right back to being an independent.

What he and his followers don't understand is the signal he sends is that the Democratic Party is not worth joining on its own merits.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

manor321

(3,344 posts)

12. LOL. Amazing.

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 02:02 PM

Mar 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)

14. I find his tendency in this area very insulting.

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 02:13 PM

Mar 2019

I hope that other lifelong, real democrats agree and make his candidacy short.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Gothmog

(145,313 posts)

15. This is not consistent with oath he was suppose to swear

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 02:14 PM

Mar 2019

Link to tweet

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Gothmog

(145,313 posts)

19. Here is the oath that sanders must sign

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 02:26 PM

Mar 2019

How can one be a bono fide Democrat and then run as an indie?
This is the actual rule that governs whether sanders can run as a member of the Democratic party https://www.thegreenpapers.com/P20/2019-01-03-2020_Call_for_the_Convention_12.21.18_w-attachments.pdf

The term “presidential candidate” herein shall mean any person who, as determined by the National Chairperson of the Democratic National Committee, has accrued delegates in the nominating process and plans to seek the nomination, has established substantial support for their nomination as the Democratic candidate for the Office of the President of the United States, is a bona fide Democrat whose record of public service, accomplishment, public writings and/or public statements affirmatively demonstrates that the candidate is faithful to the interests, welfare and success of the Democratic Party of the United States, and will participate in the Convention in good faith. At the time a presidential candidate announces their candidacy publicly, they must publicly affirm that they are a Democrat. Each candidate pursuing the Democratic nomination shall affirm, in writing, to the National Chairperson of the Democratic National Committee that they:

A. are a member of the Democratic Party;

B. will accept the Democratic nomination; and

C. will run and serve as a member of the Democratic Party.

This requirement of written affirmation shall not supplant any necessary qualifications a candidate must satisfy at the state level, but is in addition to such affirmations required by individual states and territories. The written affirmation shall be done via an approved format by the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee appended to this Call

There is an oath that sanders and other candidates will have to take
https://www.thegreenpapers.com/P20/2019-01-03-2020_Call_for_the_Convention_12.21.18_w-attachments.pdf

Presidential Candidate Written Affirmation

Pursuant to Article IV of the Call for the 2020 Democratic National Convention, I hereby affirm that, upon publicly announcing my candidacy for the Democratic nomination for President of the United States in the 2020 election, I am a member of the Democratic Party. I will run as a Democrat, accept the nomination of my Party, and I will serve as a Democrat if elected. I understand that signing this form does not supplant any legal or Party requirement by any state or territory to qualify for ballot placement in that jurisdiction.

Further, I acknowledge that in submitting this form to the National Chairperson of the Democratic National Committee, I am subject to the provisions of Rule 13.K of the Delegate Selection Rules for the 2020 Democratic National Convention and Article VI of the Call for the 2020 Democratic National Convention that authorize the National Chairperson to determine whether a presidential candidate has established substantial support for their nomination as the Democratic candidate for the Office of the President of the United States, is a bona fide Democrat whose record of public service, accomplishments, public writings and/or public statements affirmatively demonstrate that the candidate is faithful to the interests, welfare and success of the Democratic Party of the United States, and will participate in the Convention in good faith.
___________________

NOTARY AFFIDAVIT
STATE OF ______________
COUNTY OF _______________
I, ____________________________________, a Notary Public, do hereby certify that on this ____day of ___________________, 20____, personally appeared before me ______________________________, known to me to be the person whose name is subscribed to the foregoing instrument, and swore and acknowledged to me that they executed the same for the purpose and in the capacity therein expressed, and that the statements contained therein are true and correct. _______________________________________________ Notary Public, State of __________________ Name, Typed or Printed: __________________________________________ My Commission Expires: ___________________________

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)

43. "public writings and/or public statements"

Reply to Gothmog (Reply #19)

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 07:20 PM

Mar 2019

From the oath Sanders supposedly signed:

Further, I acknowledge that in submitting this form to the National Chairperson of the Democratic National Committee, I am subject to the provisions of Rule 13.K of the Delegate Selection Rules for the 2020 Democratic National Convention and Article VI of the Call for the 2020 Democratic National Convention that authorize the National Chairperson to determine whether a presidential candidate has established substantial support for their nomination as the Democratic candidate for the Office of the President of the United States, is a bona fide Democrat whose record of public service, accomplishments, public writings and/or public statements affirmatively demonstrate that the candidate is faithful to the interests, welfare and success of the Democratic Party of the United States, and will participate in the Convention in good faith.
Emphasis mine

Sanders has consistently bashed the Democratic Party publicly every chance he gets. He's repeatedly said he is not a Democrat. His past behavior at the Convention isn't promising regarding his future participation "in good faith."

He may sign the oath, but I very much doubt if he'll keep it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

still_one

(92,219 posts)

20. Gee, I guess I better not hold my breath waiting for those tax returns

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 02:38 PM

Mar 2019

If this is accurate, then this speaks volumes about Sanders

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Gothmog

(145,313 posts)

21. Agreed-

Reply to still_one (Reply #20)

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 02:58 PM

Mar 2019

Has sanders actually signed the required DNC oath yet? Has sanders agreed to be a bonofide Democrat?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

still_one

(92,219 posts)

22. no idea, but a good question

Reply to Gothmog (Reply #21)

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 03:00 PM

Mar 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Renew Deal

(81,861 posts)

24. What makes you think he will join it under any condition?

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 03:24 PM

Mar 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

BooScout

(10,406 posts)

28. SHOCKING!!!

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 03:29 PM

Mar 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Mr. Smith

(65 posts)

31. He's running for the Democratic presidential nomination.

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 03:52 PM

Mar 2019

If enough Democratic voters want him, he will be the nominee. If not, he won't.

The rest is just so much furious froth.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Cha

(297,300 posts)

33. I'll tell you one thing, Mr Smith.. BS

Reply to Mr. Smith (Reply #31)

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 05:27 PM

Mar 2019

Will Be VETTED This TIME.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Gothmog

(145,313 posts)

36. sanders was not taken seriously by the press last cycle and was not vetted

Reply to Cha (Reply #33)

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 06:06 PM

Mar 2019

sanders will be vetted this cycle and vetting is part of the process https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/01/28/why-bernie-sanders-has-an-uphill-climb-ahead/?utm_term=.1b4f90c2a717

Finally, what happens when the oppo dump on Sanders comes? We have no idea, because it never happened in 2016. Clinton was so terrified of alienating his supporters and seeing them vote for Jill Stein in the general election (or not vote at all) that she tiptoed around him for pretty much the entirety of the primary campaign. That doesn’t mean that he’ll be destroyed when stories about the more colorful aspects of his history start cropping up, but there’s just no way to know.

Which is what we could say about the Sanders candidacy as a whole: There’s no way to know how it’s going to go. But he’s got his work cut out for him.

2. How will he withstand more scrutiny and more attacks?
One of the secrets to Sanders' success in 2016 was that no one -- most especially Clinton -- thought he had any chance of going anywhere in the race. Clinton largely ignored him for the better part of 2015, allowing some problematic parts of Sanders' record for Democrats -- most notably his voting record on guns -- to go unnoticed. (When the race began to tighten, Clinton gently prodded Sanders on guns and health care.) Sanders, too, largely flew under the radar of investigative reporters for major news outlets who were busy looking into Clinton, Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio and others seen as more viable candidates. (That reality clearly benefited Donald Trump in the early days of the campaign, as well.)

Sanders will get no pass -- from either the media or his fellow candidates -- this time around. He is among the frontrunners -- and will be treated as such. His wife's time as president of Burlington College could well come up. And his opponents will do a deep dive into his nearly 30 years of votes as a member of the House and Senate. This is all very normal stuff in a campaign. But not for Sanders.

The vetting has only started and I have seen some interesting oppo on sanders. Again, a nominee needs to be vetted and I am glad that sanders will be vetted this cycle

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Cha

(297,300 posts)

37. Good Finds!

Reply to Gothmog (Reply #36)

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 06:07 PM

Mar 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

handmade34

(22,756 posts)

32. just stop Bernie...

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 04:17 PM

Mar 2019

you are a good Senator... Just stop pretending that you can be President... I don't want you as my President and I really resent most of what you have done to muddy our Party and elections

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)

34. Exactly as I expected. I can't trust someone who won't commit to the party.

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 05:30 PM

Mar 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Gothmog

(145,313 posts)

35. I do not see how this is consistent with the new DNC rules

https://www.alternet.org/2019/03/democratic-presidential-candidate-bernie-sanders-files-for-senate-2024-re-election-as-an-independent/

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 05:48 PM

Mar 2019

Link to tweet

It’s unclear if this could be a flagrant violation of the new DNC rules. The Sanders campaign has said it would sign a form promising he would run and, should he win the White House, serve as a Democrat.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

lapucelle

(18,270 posts)

42. From Alternet:

Reply to Gothmog (Reply #35)

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 07:17 PM

Mar 2019

Several weeks ago Senator Sanders announced he is again running for president, and – despite new DNC rules – running as a Democrat.

The DNC, likely to avoid candidates using the party’s resources while not actually supporting them, established a rule mandating that candidates who run as Democrats must be declared Democrats for at least 30 days prior to that announcement.

But, as The Daily Beast reports, Senator Sanders has just filed his Senate 2024 campaign re-election bid, and registered as an independent.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

murielm99

(30,745 posts)

38. If the DNC is going to allow this,

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 06:24 PM

Mar 2019

they are weak.

The rest of us are not weak. We proved that with the blue wave.

We need to shout from the rooftops that BS is NOT a Democrat, and we should cast our primary and general election votes for anyone else. I do not have a preferred candidate yet. But it will not be a divider who cannot respect our party enough to declare as a Democrat for both offices he seeks.

Why hasn't some Vermonter primaried him? He deserves it. There is still time!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)

41. Correct. He's NOT a Democrat. His hostility and contempt for the Democratic party is clear.

Reply to murielm99 (Reply #38)

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 07:09 PM

Mar 2019

The lies and attacks and smears against Democrats and the Democratic party are absolutely over-the-top! It's NOT TRUE that Democrats are "ideologically bankrupt". It's NOT TRUE that Democrats are "feeble". It's NOT TRUE that Democrats are "corrupt". It's NOT TRUE that the Democratic party is an "absolute failure". It's NOT TRUE that the Democratic party is "the party of the one-percent". It's NOT TRUE that the Democratic party is the "party of the elite". It's NOT TRUE that there's "no difference between Democrats and Republicans." It's NOT TRUE that Democrats are "do-nothings". It's NOT TRUE that the Democratic party "doesn't care about climate change." It's NOT TRUE that the Democrats "focus too much" on diversity. It's also NOT TRUE that people who the refuse to vote for an African-American because of his skin color "aren't racists". It's also NOT TRUE that the Democrats who "are very big into diversity" aren't "particularly sympathetic" to the working class.

What good purpose does it serve for anyone to smear the party like that???

If people are gradually being convinced that there's "no difference" in the parties, then what reason do they have to come out and vote for Democrats?

When someone so clearly despises the Democratic party, I have no choice but to distrust their sincerity when it comes to any "pledge" being made.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

honest.abe

(8,678 posts)

39. This is why I dont trust this guy.

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 06:43 PM

Mar 2019

He's scamming us.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)

40. Yes he is. I don't trust him. I can't respect him. And...

Reply to honest.abe (Reply #39)

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 07:03 PM

Mar 2019

... where are the tax returns?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

forklift

(401 posts)

44. Shocking but not really

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 07:22 PM

Mar 2019

Historical behavior is the best predictor.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Gothmog

(145,313 posts)

45. Bernie Sanders has filed to run for Senate in 2024 -- as an independent