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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,714 posts)
Wed May 29, 2019, 10:38 PM May 2019

Joe Biden Extreme Vetting Poll (REDUX)


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The extreme vetting of Joe Biden makes me more likely to support him
11 (73%)
The extreme vetting of Joe Biden makes me less likely to support him
4 (27%)
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If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
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Joe Biden Extreme Vetting Poll (REDUX) (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth May 2019 OP
Joe Biden is ready under all circumstances. democratisphere May 2019 #1
Extreme vetting? What does that mean? nt Honeycombe8 May 2019 #2
Biden opponents attempting to make not just mountains, but supervolcanos, out of molehills. highplainsdem May 2019 #6
He better be able to deal with this, because it will only get worse. marylandblue May 2019 #3
What do you mean by "Extreme Vetting"? left-of-center2012 May 2019 #4
Read my mind. nt emmaverybo May 2019 #5
Extreme vetting, like beauty, is in the eyes of the beholder DemocratSinceBirth May 2019 #13
Since I have already chosen Joe the vetting is moot for me. LakeArenal May 2019 #7
I am still disinclined to BlueMTexpat May 2019 #8
Or just a year ago, another of those tiny little unimportant things, pnwmom May 2019 #9
He did not endorse Upton and Upton helped with the cancer bill Beau Biden died of cancer...leave out Demsrule86 May 2019 #11
Your post leaves out some facts as well. progressoid May 2019 #23
Upton was involved in the cancer bill ...so that article is misleading. Demsrule86 May 2019 #24
This is an example of a worthless smear on Biden Vidal May 2019 #14
Things like this are exactly BlueMTexpat May 2019 #21
We'll said. shanny May 2019 #26
What extreme vetting? robbedvoter May 2019 #10
Oh the gaffe thing...nasty comments about Biden from supporters of other candidate makes me less Demsrule86 May 2019 #12
Nasty comments here move me not a millimeter. Hortensis May 2019 #16
It leaves a bad taste in my mouth...just does. Demsrule86 May 2019 #17
Well in point fact 30 years is a long time unless you're Moses BannonsLiver May 2019 #20
:) It'd make me LESS inclined to support his "extreme vetters" Hortensis May 2019 #15
Any publicity is good publicity seemed to work for Trump too. Demsrule86 May 2019 #18
+1 DemocratSinceBirth May 2019 #22
Hi...back at you great post... Demsrule86 May 2019 #25
Do you think the extreme vetting only makes him stronger? DemocratSinceBirth May 2019 #28
I do actually...because people saw Biden up close during the Obama years. They know he was very Demsrule86 May 2019 #29
VP Biden is ready to go!! Peacetrain May 2019 #19
Biden for VP! shanny May 2019 #27
Doesn't look like the extreme vetting has been effective. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2019 #31
Should be a 3rd option. Doesn't make me more likely or less likely to support him Kaleva May 2019 #30
 

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
1. Joe Biden is ready under all circumstances.
Wed May 29, 2019, 10:41 PM
May 2019

Bring on the BS!

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
2. Extreme vetting? What does that mean? nt
Wed May 29, 2019, 10:49 PM
May 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

highplainsdem

(49,041 posts)
6. Biden opponents attempting to make not just mountains, but supervolcanos, out of molehills.
Wed May 29, 2019, 11:57 PM
May 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
3. He better be able to deal with this, because it will only get worse.
Wed May 29, 2019, 10:56 PM
May 2019

I actually don't care al all what he did wrong, I do care what he'll do when Trump and his Russian bot find his weak spots and start applying pressure.

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left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
4. What do you mean by "Extreme Vetting"?
Wed May 29, 2019, 11:30 PM
May 2019

Are you referring to the "Joe Biden sniffed my hair" and
"Joe Biden compimented a 10 year old girl"
accusations?

If I were to vote in a presidential
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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,714 posts)
13. Extreme vetting, like beauty, is in the eyes of the beholder
Thu May 30, 2019, 08:45 AM
May 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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LakeArenal

(28,846 posts)
7. Since I have already chosen Joe the vetting is moot for me.
Thu May 30, 2019, 01:15 AM
May 2019

So I passed.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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BlueMTexpat

(15,373 posts)
8. I am still disinclined to
Thu May 30, 2019, 04:32 AM
May 2019

select Joe as my first choice. The "extreme vetting" has had no impact whatsoever on that disinclination.

I WILL support him if he is ultimately the nominee. But very likely not before then - not so long as there are much better alternatives in the running who are women.

Joe was an excellent Veep to Prez O and I will always respect that. But he cannot simply ride on Prez O's coattails now.

in my experience, Joe has not shown himself to be ready for the Top Job. I have a long memory for events in the 90s when his role was not at all stellar and I still fear that he could revert to what he was then - much too accommodating to GOPers who have shown nothing but contempt for compromise.

I hope not. But still ....

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pnwmom

(108,995 posts)
9. Or just a year ago, another of those tiny little unimportant things,
Thu May 30, 2019, 06:52 AM
May 2019

when he took $200K for speaking at a rally for a Republican named Upton just weeks before the election, because he appreciated the Republican's support on cancer research -- and refused to endorse the perfectly good Democrat running against him. Or even to take a phone call from the Democrat's office.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/23/us/politics/biden-speech-fred-upton.html

Joseph R. Biden Jr. swept into Benton Harbor, Mich., three weeks before the November elections, in the midst of his quest to reclaim the Midwest for Democrats. He took the stage at Lake Michigan College as Representative Fred Upton, a long-serving Republican from the area, faced the toughest race of his career.

But Mr. Biden was not there to denounce Mr. Upton. Instead, he was collecting $200,000 from the Economic Club of Southwestern Michigan to address a Republican-leaning audience, according to a speaking contract obtained by The New York Times and interviews with organizers. The group, a business-minded civic organization, is supported in part by an Upton family foundation.

Mr. Biden stunned Democrats and elated Republicans by praising Mr. Upton while the lawmaker looked on from the audience. Alluding to Mr. Upton’s support for a landmark medical-research law, Mr. Biden called him a champion in the fight against cancer — and “one of the finest guys I’ve ever worked with.”

Mr. Biden’s remarks, coming amid a wide-ranging discourse on American politics, quickly appeared in Republican advertising. The local Democratic Party pleaded with Mr. Biden to repair what it saw as a damaging error, to no avail. On Nov. 6, Mr. Upton defeated his Democratic challenger by four and a half percentage points.

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Demsrule86

(68,691 posts)
11. He did not endorse Upton and Upton helped with the cancer bill Beau Biden died of cancer...leave out
Thu May 30, 2019, 08:42 AM
May 2019

important facts on most of these posts.

"Congressman Fred Upton, R-St. Joseph, alongside Congressman Gene Green, D-Texas, introduced H.R. 1920, a bill that would ensure cancer patients across the country continue to have access to life-saving treatments and care. H.R. 1920 addresses a flawed Medicare reimbursement formula that results in some providers not being adequately paid for their services."

When a bipartisan group of lawmakers including myself and my partner in this effort, U.S. Rep. Diana DeGette (D-Colo.), gathered in the White House to sign the 21st Century Cures Act—also referred to as Cures—into law, it marked a momentous occasion. We not only had made needed reforms to the Food and Drug Administration and National Institutes of Health in order to encourage more efficient and safer approvals, we also had boosted research at the NIH, funded new mental-health programs, and appropriated money to states to fight the ongoing opioid epidemic.

More specifically, Cures is boosting four major innovative initiatives at the NIH: the Beau Biden Cancer Moonshot, which works to accelerate progress in cancer prevention and screening; the Precision Medicine Initiative, which is a long-term research endeavor aimed at understanding how a person's genetics, environment and lifestyle can help determine the best approach to prevent or treat disease; the Brain Research through Advancing Innovative Neurotechnologies Initiative, which supports a more dynamic understanding of brain functions; and the Regenerative Medicine Innovation Project, which aims to accelerate the field of stem cell science."

https://www.modernhealthcare.com/article/20180922/NEWS/180919947/rep-upton-cures-act-is-delivering-on-promises-to-advance-research

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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progressoid

(49,999 posts)
23. Your post leaves out some facts as well.
Thu May 30, 2019, 05:32 PM
May 2019
Mr. Biden’s appearance in Michigan plainly set his lucrative personal activities at odds with what some Democrats saw as his duty to the party, linking him with a civic group seen as tilting to the right and undermining Democrats’ effort to defeat Mr. Upton, a powerful lawmaker who in 2017 helped craft a bill to repeal the Affordable Care Act.

Eric Lester, a retired physician who chaired the Democratic Party in Berrien County, Mich., during the midterms, said he viewed Mr. Biden’s supportive remarks about Mr. Upton as a betrayal. Mr. Lester, who attended the speech, said he had confronted an aide to Mr. Biden in the hallway, telling him the former vice president had badly damaged the Democratic cause.

“It just gives Fred Upton cover and makes it possible for him to continue to pretend to be a useful, bipartisan fellow,” Mr. Lester recalled saying, adding, “I entered the hall with positive feelings about Mr. Biden and felt very frustrated.”


The contract for Mr. Biden’s visit shows he was paid $200,000 for his appearance, including a $150,000 speaking fee and a $50,000 travel allowance. It also specifies that the audience would be “primarily older, conservative Republicans and local community members.”


The greatest impact of Mr. Biden’s speech, however, was outside the lecture hall. His remarks about Mr. Upton ricocheted through Michigan’s Sixth Congressional District. Mr. Upton alluded to Mr. Biden’s praise in a debate with Mr. Longjohn the next day, and his campaign sent out a mailer stressing Mr. Upton’s bipartisan streak, including Mr. Biden’s description of him as “the reason we’re going to beat cancer.”

A business-backed Republican group, Defending Main Street, ran digital ads on Facebook showing a grinning Mr. Biden and the crucial quote — “Fred Upton is one of the finest guys I’ve ever worked with” — above a mock version of the former vice president’s signature.



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Demsrule86

(68,691 posts)
24. Upton was involved in the cancer bill ...so that article is misleading.
Fri May 31, 2019, 07:20 AM
May 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Vidal

(642 posts)
14. This is an example of a worthless smear on Biden
Thu May 30, 2019, 08:46 AM
May 2019

Biden did not cause the Democrat to lose. In the previous election the Democrat lost by over 8 percentage points.

This is an attack that people like you have repeated a hundred times, to no avail.

give it up. it won't work.

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Undecided
 

BlueMTexpat

(15,373 posts)
21. Things like this are exactly
Thu May 30, 2019, 01:12 PM
May 2019

why I remain disinclined. Such actions do not reassure me at all..

Thanks for sharing.

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robbedvoter

(28,290 posts)
10. What extreme vetting?
Thu May 30, 2019, 07:38 AM
May 2019

Any time Clarence Thomas/Anita Hill are mentioned it comes "that was a long time ago" as it Roe Vs Wade doesn't hang on it today. I don't see anyone telling him to mile more or knit. Jut "It's been week and no gaffes"

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Demsrule86

(68,691 posts)
12. Oh the gaffe thing...nasty comments about Biden from supporters of other candidate makes me less
Thu May 30, 2019, 08:44 AM
May 2019

likely to support their candidates in the primary. I actually like Harris but would think twice...in the primary.

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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
16. Nasty comments here move me not a millimeter.
Thu May 30, 2019, 09:11 AM
May 2019

Why would their bad behavior and, to me, typically flawed judgement and poor principles, affect mine?

However, when a whole faction of...unadmirable people adopt a leader, I have learned to take a good look at him and what he and his agents are up to to see what's drawing them.

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Demsrule86

(68,691 posts)
17. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth...just does.
Thu May 30, 2019, 10:33 AM
May 2019

It is how I feel about it. And based on other comments, I suspect I am not alone.

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BannonsLiver

(16,461 posts)
20. Well in point fact 30 years is a long time unless you're Moses
Thu May 30, 2019, 10:57 AM
May 2019

Or igneous rock. Almost half a lifetime.

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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
15. :) It'd make me LESS inclined to support his "extreme vetters"
Thu May 30, 2019, 08:50 AM
May 2019

attacking from both left and right if such a thing were possible, but it's not. It does make sure Biden's name is always at the front. Some of the other candidates would kill for this attention.

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Demsrule86

(68,691 posts)
18. Any publicity is good publicity seemed to work for Trump too.
Thu May 30, 2019, 10:34 AM
May 2019

You make a god point...

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Demsrule86

(68,691 posts)
25. Hi...back at you great post...
Fri May 31, 2019, 07:22 AM
May 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,714 posts)
28. Do you think the extreme vetting only makes him stronger?
Fri May 31, 2019, 10:13 AM
May 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,691 posts)
29. I do actually...because people saw Biden up close during the Obama years. They know he was very
Fri May 31, 2019, 10:44 PM
May 2019

close to Obama and that his knowledge and expertise was utilized...so they don't believe it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,714 posts)
31. Doesn't look like the extreme vetting has been effective.
Sun Jun 2, 2019, 10:20 AM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Kaleva

(36,354 posts)
30. Should be a 3rd option. Doesn't make me more likely or less likely to support him
Fri May 31, 2019, 10:54 PM
May 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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