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Related: About this forumGillibrand sticks it to Fox News in scrappy town hall
By ELENA SCHNEIDER 06/02/2019 09:52 PM EDT
Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand took on Fox News on the networks own airwaves Sunday night a potential starring moment for the New York Democrat, who has struggled to break out of the sprawling Democratic presidential primary field.
In an hour-long town hall in Dubuque, Iowa, she parried questions on President Donald Trumps border wall, her conservative House record and the trade war with China. She even attacked the network itself for what Gillibrand called its spreading of a "false narrative" on abortion rights.
But Gillibrands biggest moment and a potential viral clip came during an exchange with Fox News host Chris Wallace, who asked Gillibrand to explain her tweet from December 2018, when she said the future was female and intersectional.
We want women to have a seat at the table, Gillibrand said. At that, Wallace jumped in and asked: What about men?
Theyre already there do you not know? Gillibrand said, greeted by one of the biggest rounds of applause of the night. Its not meant to be exclusionary, its meant to be inclusionary, she said.
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https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/02/gillibrand-fox-news-town-hall-1351100
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IluvPitties
(3,181 posts)I will not forget.
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Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)allegations. In that, she is no different from Fox news.
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Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)as a matter of fact, and has doubled, tripled, quadrupled down on it.
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Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Other than Mayor Pete the other day, no one asks Warren, Harris, Booker or Sanders about it.
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USALiberal
(10,877 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Princetonian
(1,501 posts)A more self-righteous senator I have yet to see... that includes her staffers.
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Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Princetonian
(1,501 posts)For many such as myself, her attacks upon Franken stood out prominently and stand as a testiment to her lack of judgment.
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Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)And what repeated denouncements? I believe there was a Facebook post and a press conference with several other Senators. Franken announced his resignation 2 days later. Not much hounding there.
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Princetonian
(1,501 posts)Last edited Mon Jun 3, 2019, 02:21 PM - Edit history (2)
How many still feel about her:
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/26/al-franken-kirsten-gillibrand-2020-1014697
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Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)The others did so the very same morning. Anyone not blinded by bias can see that it was a highly coordinated effort orchestrated by leadership.
Your link didn't work but maybe you should look at this one: https://qz.com/1148972/al-franken-all-of-the-senators-calling-for-his-resignation/
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Princetonian
(1,501 posts)Link should work now.
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Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Doesn't speak well for them.
And other than Tweeden, is there any evidence that the other 7 women were all lying?
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Princetonian
(1,501 posts)Innocent until proven guilty means the burden of proof is upon the accusers. Was Franken ever convicted in a court of law?
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Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)And it is not spreading the blame, it is acknowledging that it was a highly coordinated effort, not the responsibility of only one person.
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Princetonian
(1,501 posts)Now she is reaping what she sowed. Her presidential campaign is a dud thus far in no small part to the long memories of Democratic donors and grassroots activists. Your insistence that there was a "highly-coordinated effort" is irrelevant.
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Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Denying that is just denying reality.
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Princetonian
(1,501 posts)Her candidacy for president is DOA.
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Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)that over 30 Senators called for Franken's resignation.
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brooklynite
(94,692 posts)...there's the accusation (without evidence) that she did this to knock out Franken as a Presidential contender, never mind that Franken had never discussed running for President, and she supposedly colluded with a half dozen other likely Presidential competitors.
Never let a good conspiracy theory go to waste.
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Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Gillibrand went to Franken's office with a resignation letter and a gun and told Franken either his signature or his brains would be on the letter.
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LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)But I get it... we have to focus our blame on one and only one target. Anything beyond that gets complicated and we have to begin thinking really hard. So, yeah... just one is guilty of Franken's decision.
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Princetonian
(1,501 posts)You do not know me well enough to know how I feel about "the others".
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USALiberal
(10,877 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Only demagogues think that it is.
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USALiberal
(10,877 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Don't pretend that you do.
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USALiberal
(10,877 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Princetonian
(1,501 posts)... thus Gillibrand wanted to be first. High visibility = ownership
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Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Stop pretending that you do.
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Princetonian
(1,501 posts)June 4, 2019 (that's today): "Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) stood by her past calls for then-Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) to resign amid sexual misconduct allegations after fellow 2020 presidential hopeful Pete Buttigieg said Monday that he wouldnt have applied the same pressure... I would not have applied that pressure at that time before we knew more.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/kirsten-gillibrand-pete-buttigieg-al-franken_n_5cf67a90e4b0e346ce8516b1
She is the only Senator still defending her bad judgment call. I admire Buttigieg greatly.
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Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)but nice try.
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Princetonian
(1,501 posts).... and the voters will have their say during the Democratic primaries with regards to her highly-coordinated grandstanding. That is the truth.
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Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)You said she wanted to be first. You don't know what anyone wanted. You have proved nothing.
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Princetonian
(1,501 posts)... then of course she planned to be front and center. You can't have it both ways.
My opinion is as much of a truth as yours. And about as well-proven. See how that works?
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Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Anyone that is not blinded by bias can see that it was highly coordinated. You have any links that prove your accusations?
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Princetonian
(1,501 posts)She muscled her way into post position.
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Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Can you prove that?
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Princetonian
(1,501 posts)There ya go.
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Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)and you can't prove you accusations
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Princetonian
(1,501 posts)See how that works?
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Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)for anyone not blinded by their bias.
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Princetonian
(1,501 posts)Timelines are not proof of anything except speculative conspiracy theories.
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Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)but rather a court of common sense.
But if you want further proof, here are articles written at the time: https://qz.com/1148972/al-franken-all-of-the-senators-calling-for-his-resignation/
Note this quote:
and https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/06/politics/senators-al-franken-resignation/index.html
As I said it is obvious to anyone not blinded by their bias.
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Princetonian
(1,501 posts)Note that her political mentor is none other than Mr. Media Savvy aka. Senate Minority Leader Chuck. It should be obvious to anyone with a modicum of political sense that he granted her the coveted post position to get maximum media exposure.
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Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Please post links to credible sources.
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Princetonian
(1,501 posts)My opinion is as valid as yours or those of your "sources" (which offered zero proof).
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Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Everything I posted shows that it was a coordinated effort. And I posted links to back that up. I dare you to do the same.
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Princetonian
(1,501 posts)Unlike some people, I don't believe everyhing I read.... unless it is backed up by quotes from the Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer.
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Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)You are just refusing to accept reality since it is at odds with your bias.
Can you produce one link to a credible source that provides any evidence that supports your accusations?
As progressives we need to value facts and not let our own bias get in the way of that. Otherwise we are just as bad as those on the right who ignore facts and deny reality.
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Princetonian
(1,501 posts)Your opinion-based sense of reality is at odds with my need to see a credible source which quotes the Senate Minority Leader. Have any? Unless you do, I am afraid it is you who does not value factual data.
Thanks for playing. It was really fun.
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Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)because they are at odds with your bias.
And still waiting for you to provide links that support your accusations. Every post you make without them is an admission that you can't.
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TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)That's the good news.
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Hortensis
(58,785 posts)My biggest problem with her is that I don't trust her either, but for a number of reasons. Maybe another several years of admirable behavior will resolve that.
But, I didn't see her on Fox. (I actually try to avoid both.)
Probably the best thing about all these candidates, though, is that they're all hopefully spreading our Democratic messages of liberal progressive principles and goals around the nations. She's been carefully building a record of being very liberal in the senate, so she should know what those are. Did she do us proud?
Anyone remember what questions she parried about her conservative record in the state legislature?
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brooklynite
(94,692 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)SO, how'd she do? Did she do the Democratic Party proud before that audience?
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Bettie
(16,120 posts)but that was a good line.
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stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden