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Related: About this forumSanders Campaign: Trust Glenn Greenwald's reporting
The Sanders campaign was apparently handing out flyers at the California Democratic Convention telling Democrats to trust the reporting of Glenn Greenwald and The Young Turks, among other things.
Link to tweet
It really boggles the mind. We all know Glenn Greenwald is a known Russian stooge that fully supports Putin and his puppet, and The Young Turks? Republican-funded, genocide-denying propaganda purporting to be "progressives". This is a travesty of the Sanders campaign, and they really need to clean house if they push this kind of Russian propaganda outlets with a straight face.
UPDATE: This seems to be from his delegates at the California Democratic Convention, and fortunately not from the official Sanders campaign. It will be interesting to see how the campaign reacts to this, and it does raise some serious questions about those the campaign chooses as its delegates at conventions.
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hlthe2b
(102,342 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)How could a flyer like this not be severely injurious to his candidacy? However, considering the people he has hired for his campaign, we cannot automatically assume that this isn't real. I have yet to hear of anyone he's hired this time around that actually supported and voted for the Democratic nominee in 2016.
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George II
(67,782 posts)....many, if not all, senior staffers and surrogates boast that they voted for Jill Stein.
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Nanjeanne
(4,974 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DURHAM D
(32,611 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)It is also why I wrote "apparently" in my OP. However, none of the people I know of in his campaign actually voted for the Democratic nominee in 2016, so there's no reason to believe his campaign staff are Democrats, even if he has declared himself one.
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Nanjeanne
(4,974 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DURHAM D
(32,611 posts)it is for real.
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Nanjeanne
(4,974 posts)is Sanders campaign. And this is all per Rachel so not understanding what this has to do with the Bernie Sanders campaign.
But yes you are right. Its a Real piece of paper. So I guess you win.
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George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,524 posts)immediately.
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brooklynite
(94,703 posts)Any number of individuals or third party groups could have prepared and distributed that.
Add to which, it calls for the candidate with a "plurality" of Delegates to be nominated, which the Sanders campaign knows violates the DNC rules that they agreed to.
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Blue_true
(31,261 posts)If so, they are seriously delusional.
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mcar
(42,372 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LibFarmer
(772 posts)attempt. He might as well have said "only listen to MY propaganda and ignore all other news sources."
I first thought it was The Onion ... shocked to see that it is real.
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ecstatic
(32,727 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Nanjeanne
(4,974 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)RT?
The TV-outlet funded by the Kremlin?
The TV-outlet that treats Alt-Right extremists as legitimate political commentators?
The TV-outlet that lies by systematically withholding critical information from their audience?
The TV-outlet that feeds political instability by whipping up hatred on both sides?
And we're supposed to trust them?
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Tarheel_Dem
(31,237 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
aidbo
(2,328 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
aidbo
(2,328 posts)..are not republican nor do they deny the Armenian genocide. Nor was this flyer put out by the Sanders campaign, which the OP still hasnt corrected in their headline.
But Im not allowed to call the OP what it is because of this sites rules.
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BannonsLiver
(16,439 posts)And Ctenk has nothing but antipathy toward actual Democrats. Dont think the gaslighting attempts will work.
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aidbo
(2,328 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)can't really answer.
Facts are facts. If you had any to back up your claims, you'd post them.
You're allowed.
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aidbo
(2,328 posts)I cannot call the OP or you what you are without risking a hide so no, I am not allowed.
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)The 'rule' that you're not allowed to back up your claims doesn't exist.
That's just an excuse for not being able to, while still claiming that they are lying.
And you apparently skipped over the post where I provided you with facts... why am I 'allowed' to while you are 'not?"
Post #37 is where you'll find backup for the OP.
Your turn. If I'm lying, then you can prove it.
What we are? We're right.
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That seems to be your excuse not to answer. "I'm not allowed to!"
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Gothmog
(145,489 posts)Neither Cenk nor the Young Turks are reliable sources. Greenwald is clearly not reliable
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aidbo
(2,328 posts)..I care what you pay attention to.
I dont.
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Gothmog
(145,489 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
aidbo
(2,328 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)are "not allowed" to back up your numerous accusations that other people are posting falsehoods.
No one here owes you agreement, compliance, validation for your feelings about Glenn and Cenk, or silence in the face of your insults and accusations of lying.
If your sources are credible, you would have no problem sharing them.
Is that clearer?
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Gothmog
(145,489 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)It's sad when someone persists in proclaiming others liars, then when given the opportunity to put their money where their mouth is, they deploy a ficticious excuse.
Doesn't say much for their position that others are promoting falsehoods.
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Gothmog
(145,489 posts)I do not trust these sources but you are free to trust such sources if you wish.
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aidbo
(2,328 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,489 posts)That is your choice but I and many others do not trust these sources and will not comply with the amusing request in the demand discussed in the OP.
The request that good democrats should accept material from sources like Greenwald, Cenk and the Young Turks will not work in the real world. These sources are not reliable and I doubt that anyone who is not already supporting sanders will agree to such a condition.
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)back up their statements.
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Glenn Greenwald.
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That settles it!!
"aidbo" said you're wrong so that's it! Close the thread!
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)"Not allowed to say" what those are, but I'm sure that they're totally legit.
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)I think it's because you have nothing to back up your claims about the OP lying about your favorite peeps.
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Here is why you are wrong - not simply saying "You're wrong, and I'm not allowed to say why!"
Yes, Cenk has, at best, a spotty record on the Armenian Genocide:
https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2016/04/26/after-years-of-denying-the-armenian-genocide-cenk-uyguar-now-admits-he-doesnt-know-enough-about-it-to-say-anything/
And yes, tyt does indeed have Republican funding:
https://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2014/04/buddy-roemer-firm-invests-4-million-in-young-turks-network-186934
Greenwald thinks that Democratic Party and the GOP are equally bad - which is a Russian talking point to young, white college educated Americans. He works to discredit the investigation into Russian election interference.
Both of those mesh with Russian goals, so yes, Greenwald, and by extension, his publication, does fit the description of a Russian "stooge."
Is that clearer?
I don't see why you're afraid to post any backup for your claims. Facts are facts.
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aidbo
(2,328 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)backing up your proclamations that others are wrong, and that excuse that "you aren't allowed" isn't based in any actual rule.
Is that clearer?
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George II
(67,782 posts)....he named his show (The Young Turks) after the group that perpetrated the Armenian Genocide. The Young Turks receives money from Russia (RT to be exact) and has accepted millions of dollars from right wing republican Buddy Roehmer:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddy_Roemer
People can draw their own conclusions from that. My conclusion is that they're funded by Russians and a right wing republican.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)You're "allowed" to back up your statements, while others "are not allowed."
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Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and to try to avoid all big media that invest in investigative journalism?
Wow. They should just refer people directly to the GRU to sign up for their agitprop. Such stupid makework for them to have to identify and follow targets unnecessarily.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)As Honest Abe said, though, only some of the people can be fooled all the time. And this time everyone else has Sanders' own very pertinent recent record to scrutinize and make up their own minds about.
No need for them to research to learn such things as that during the 1980 RW Reagan takeover election, when we desperately needed every vote, Sanders was working to pull Democrats away from Jimmy Carter to the candidate of the trotskyist Socialist Workers of America party. The SWA candidate only managed to get a whole 40,000 votes nationally, but, hey, who doubts Sanders preened himself on his principles at that terrible turning point of history every bit as much as in 2016?
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Nanjeanne
(4,974 posts)Who is Rachel anyway?
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Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Nanjeanne
(4,974 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Normally I don't see many posts from you, but in this thread, you seem to be everywhere.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Nanjeanne
(4,974 posts)I think when an OP states something in a title that is completely inaccurate it should be corrected by the person who started the thread. But if not, it should be corrected by anyone who cares more about accuracy than being anti someone. Its not a debate over policy. Its inaccurately stated.
That should matter.
I dont like reporting on fellow DUers. Unlike many. Just like truthfulness over truthiness.
But thanks for your attention. I feel loved.
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Blue_true
(31,261 posts)You are one of about five huge Bernie supporters on DU, when I see a post from you or one of the others I start to pay attention to how many posts are made. I do the same thing with the others too.
I don't know whether the OP was alert able or not, but you took the right path, IMO.
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Nanjeanne
(4,974 posts)But whatever.
FYI. I rarely post on DU any more and youve reminded me why - so not sure what you are seeing or why you care so much about other people.
But ... as I said I do prefer truthful OPs and dont care about the anti Bernie stuff. Just the completely false ones.
Accurate OPs - well doesnt seem to matter to you and thats ok. You seem to have it all done up in your head with a bow so as long as you are happy - thats great!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BannonsLiver
(16,439 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Indykatie
(3,697 posts)This was one of the reasons he was not able to make progress increasing his support in the African American community. He surrounded himself with Black folks who were anti-Obama. That's a surefire way to fail.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)I realize he can't oversee his delegates 24/7, but he certainly can and should speak out after something like this happens. Glenn Greenwald, FFS! It might as well be Putin's chief of staff.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,598 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)But Sanderss remedy for what ails the media uncritical, stenographic coverage of his agenda betrays a misunderstanding of the role of a free press. And his dismissal of legitimate journalism not to his liking as political gossip bears a troubling resemblance to what another politician refers to as fake news.
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Though Sanders understands the problem, his solutions leave something to be desired. The way the senator sees it, the job of a journalist is merely to transcribe his diatribes unchallenged and broadcast his sermons unfiltered.
He would not be happy with anything that did not basically publish his press release in its entirety word for word, quote for quote, said Graff, who spent nearly three decades reporting in Vermont for the AP.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/02/26/ive-reported-bernie-sanders-years-free-press-cant-give-him-what-he-wants/?utm_term=.65ecc2349b52
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,489 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Otto Lidenbrock
(581 posts)Who have such a lack of self-awareness. They start lecturing life-long democrats for being centrist. Newsflash: a centrist is better than a right winger!
Example: When President Clinton and First Lady Hillary were advocating for healthcare reform "Hillarycare" in the 1990s, Republicans/Libertarians were totally outraged at this "socialised healthcare bill" and did all they could to block it - which they did. And Cenk being on the right wing point of view back then - presumably - embraced that.
Fast forward to 2016 and Cenk was attacking Hillary for not being fully on board Medicare For All as if with the click of the fingers it could happen.
The fact is if Hillarycare passed in the 90s, we'd probably be very close to having M4A right now because of incrementalism. Instead we're 15 years behind schedule because of people like Cenk who did not want government to get involved in the 90s, yet he now expects government to instantly overhaul the entire healthcare setup with Bernie in the White House.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,598 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,524 posts)perspective, Otto.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden