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Hassin Bin Sober

(26,337 posts)
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 06:50 PM Jun 2019

When Joe Biden Voted to Let States Overturn Roe v. Wade

When Joe Biden Voted to Let States Overturn Roe v. Wade


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/29/us/politics/biden-abortion-rights.html


It was a new era in Washington in 1981, and abortion rights activists were terrified.

With an anti-abortion president, Ronald Reagan, in power and Republicans controlling the Senate for the first time in decades, social conservatives pushed for a constitutional amendment to allow individual states to overturn Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court ruling that had made abortion legal nationwide several years earlier.

The amendment — which the National Abortion Rights Action League called “the most devastating attack yet on abortion rights” — cleared a key hurdle in the Senate Judiciary Committee in March 1982. Support came not only from Republicans but from a 39-year-old, second-term Democrat: Joseph R. Biden Jr.
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When Joe Biden Voted to Let States Overturn Roe v. Wade (Original Post) Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2019 OP
Joe 2020. LakeArenal Jun 2019 #1
38 years ago Freddie Jun 2019 #2
And it's an almost three month old article. People are scrambling. George II Jun 2019 #4
From the linked article ... left-of-center2012 Jun 2019 #3
Thanks for reminding everyone. This has come up more than once here and that's been pointed out.... George II Jun 2019 #7
Some people believe LibFarmer Jun 2019 #9
No need to go back 38 years. Supporting Hyde today is a nonstarter. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2019 #5
We don't have to go that far back to criticize Fresh_Start Jun 2019 #6
Guess who was a member of the Texas Low Level Radioactive Waste Disposal Compact Commission.... George II Jun 2019 #8
Whataboutism whataboutism whataboutism Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2019 #11
That does not dismiss the fact. Blue_true Jun 2019 #13
More whataboutism? No thanks. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2019 #14
No. It is about being a leader. Bernie had a chance to do that for Vermont Blue_true Jun 2019 #15
Whataboutism whataboutism whataboutism Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2019 #10
I think that there is a tactic in the Senate where a bill is voted out of Comittee Blue_true Jun 2019 #12
 

Freddie

(9,273 posts)
2. 38 years ago
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 07:03 PM
Jun 2019

People are allowed to reconsider an issue. Like Obama (and many other Dems) on same-sex marriage.

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George II

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4. And it's an almost three month old article. People are scrambling.
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 07:09 PM
Jun 2019
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left-of-center2012

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3. From the linked article ...
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 07:04 PM
Jun 2019

The bill never made it to the full Senate, and when it came back up the following year, Mr. Biden voted against it.

By the time he left the vice president’s mansion in early 2017, he was a 74-year-old who argued a far different view: that government doesn’t have “a right to tell other people that women, they can’t control their body,” as he put it in 2012.

Mr. Biden’s spokesman, Bill Russo, said the former vice president is a supporter of the Roe decision who fought to protect abortion rights by mounting a fierce opposition to the nomination of a conservative judge, Robert H. Bork, to the Supreme Court in 1987.

“Because of that, Roe and its progeny have been preserved for 30 years. But for that effort, Roe v. Wade would not be the law of the land today,” Mr. Russo said.

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George II

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7. Thanks for reminding everyone. This has come up more than once here and that's been pointed out....
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 07:13 PM
Jun 2019

No doubt this will be resurrected several more times before the first primary.

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LibFarmer

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9. Some people believe
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 07:35 PM
Jun 2019

that facts like you posted shouldn't come in the way of demagoguery, grand standing and fake outrage.

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WhiskeyGrinder

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5. No need to go back 38 years. Supporting Hyde today is a nonstarter.
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 07:13 PM
Jun 2019
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Fresh_Start

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6. We don't have to go that far back to criticize
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 07:13 PM
Jun 2019

In both 2003 and 2005, when he was in the House, Sanders voted in favor of a measure to prohibit lawsuits against firearm makers. The second measure eventually became law.

In 1998, the House of Representatives approved a compact struck between Texas, Vermont and Maine that would allow Vermont and Maine to dump low-level nuclear waste at a designated site in Sierra Blanca, Texas. Sanders, at the time representing Vermont in the House, cosponsored the bill and actively ushered it through Congress.


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George II

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8. Guess who was a member of the Texas Low Level Radioactive Waste Disposal Compact Commission....
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 07:17 PM
Jun 2019

....which recommended that location?

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Hassin Bin Sober

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11. Whataboutism whataboutism whataboutism
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 10:49 PM
Jun 2019
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Blue_true

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13. That does not dismiss the fact.
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 11:51 PM
Jun 2019

I have one even more recent and at the heart of what Senator Sanders claims he wants to do.

When the ACA passed in 2010, a year later after quickly implementing the law, the democratic governor of Vermont and the democratic controlled Legistlature requested $2 billion from Washington to implement the first Single Payer health insurance plan in the country. When asked about whether he would help get Vermont the money, Senator Bernie Sanders said that he had nothing to do with the effort, that it was up to the governor and Legistlature to get the money. It was a funding request to Wahington, Senator Sanders was and still is a US Senator with influence in Washington.

The other US Seantor from Vermont tried to get the state the money, but without help from Bernie and republicans having taken the House, his efforts failed.

Senator Sanders is always taking about how he would implement Single Payer, but when a prime opportunity to get the first of it's kind set up in his home state, he completely bailed.

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Hassin Bin Sober

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14. More whataboutism? No thanks.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 12:01 AM
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Blue_true

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15. No. It is about being a leader. Bernie had a chance to do that for Vermont
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 12:10 AM
Jun 2019

and he left the heavy lifting to others. Yet, he is supposed to get national Single Payer. Tell me how he will do that if he could not get $2 billion for his own state (or even work with the OTHER US Senator from the state who was trying to get the money).

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Hassin Bin Sober

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10. Whataboutism whataboutism whataboutism
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 08:05 PM
Jun 2019
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Blue_true

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12. I think that there is a tactic in the Senate where a bill is voted out of Comittee
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 11:39 PM
Jun 2019

so that guarantees that it gets defeated on the floor and never come back through Comittee. Biden likely voted the way he did to get the bill onto the Senate floor, where he was certain that it would be defeated and die forever.

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