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Takket

(21,573 posts)
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 06:24 PM Jun 2019

Opinion: Democrats must reject failed, boring electability notions to beat Trump in 2020

The conventional definition of electability hinges on centrism and moderation — and so far for 2020, on consensus and restraint. But in the most recent Democratic Party failures of 2004 and 2016, John Kerry and Hillary Clinton passed this test during the primary season only to disprove the thesis in the general election.

The Democrats in 2008 backed Barack Obama in spite of his comparatively little government experience and fears of racism diminishing his viability. Likewise, Donald Trump confounded his own establishment’s skepticism of his first-time candidacy even as he adhered to the most radical orthodoxy of the right.

The freshness and novelty proved an asset — not a liability — for Obama and Trump. While not hailing from major battleground states themselves, Obama and Trump galvanized enormous grassroots energy in their respective bases to turn out historic margins in decisive metropolises and rural communities.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/06/12/2020-democratic-nominee-boring-candidate-wont-beat-trump-column/1410189001/

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Opinion: Democrats must reject failed, boring electability notions to beat Trump in 2020 (Original Post) Takket Jun 2019 OP
Winning Ticket DownriverDem Jun 2019 #1
tRUMP enjoyed the corrupt support abqtommy Jun 2019 #2
there is a reason some want to leave it out and usually it's becsuse the candidate JI7 Jun 2019 #6
I disagree Gothmog Jun 2019 #3
Of course Alexander Heffner thinks that LibFarmer Jun 2019 #4
2004 was very close. and 2016 was a foreign attack on candidate Hillary Clinton JI7 Jun 2019 #5
This opinion discounts the fact that Trump's win was illegitimate, Hilary's loss emmaverybo Jun 2019 #7
I don't see any Obama's in this field. DrToast Jun 2019 #8
 

DownriverDem

(6,228 posts)
1. Winning Ticket
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 06:38 PM
Jun 2019

Biden/Harris It's a numbers game.

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abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
2. tRUMP enjoyed the corrupt support
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 06:42 PM
Jun 2019

of both Russian hacking and the "normal" reTHUGlican election operation. I don't see how we can leave that out of any comparative equation.

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JI7

(89,250 posts)
6. there is a reason some want to leave it out and usually it's becsuse the candidate
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 07:01 PM
Jun 2019

they supported got the same support from Russia.

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Undecided
 

Gothmog

(145,288 posts)
3. I disagree
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 06:43 PM
Jun 2019

The concept that this election is a lock and that the Democratic Party can nominate a far left out of touch candidate is not the real world. If the economy does not falter (and trump is working hard to kill the Obama economy), then this will be a close race.

If the choice is between nominating a very far left progressive candidate or winning, I want to win




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LibFarmer

(772 posts)
4. Of course Alexander Heffner thinks that
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 06:50 PM
Jun 2019

He is big on tearing everything down to allow every radical idea to be inserted.

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JI7

(89,250 posts)
5. 2004 was very close. and 2016 was a foreign attack on candidate Hillary Clinton
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 07:00 PM
Jun 2019

while they propped up her opponents ( trump, Sanders,
srein) who all attacked her. and she still got millions more votes than them.

if other candidates have what Obama does then they will do better.




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emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
7. This opinion discounts the fact that Trump's win was illegitimate, Hilary's loss
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 08:03 PM
Jun 2019

a result of Russia’s cyber attack, Kerry’s loss highly suspect, and that Obama was a left to center candidate, a pretty centrist president. He was not considered electable until he had the numbers.

We are not lemmings. We do not choose left to center candidates to fulfill some misguided myth.
How some left to centers do have a wide appeal across many voting constituencies in the Democratic Party, among independents, and with swing voters should be obvious. The country as a
whole is not extremely left or extremely right.

The Novelty, or gotta hava gimmick, keep it fresh element does not in and of itself win elections. We did not take a huge risk in nominating Obama. He was the most outstanding candidate for many reasons. He also had a political campaign strategy the likes of which we had not seen before.

To this day, Democrats and independents who identify as left of the party establishment are disappointed that his policies and style of governing were not more progressive and aggressive.

Nonetheless this radically intelligent, charismatic, and decent leader, a centrist by most estimations today, remains one of the most popular presidents of the last several decades.

I think it’s pretty new that three top Dem candidates are seventy and over. Wow, dude, that’s the cat’s pajamas!


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DrToast

(6,414 posts)
8. I don't see any Obama's in this field.
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 08:31 PM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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