Democratic Primaries

Uncle Joe

(58,362 posts) Wed Jun 12, 2019, 06:29 PM Jun 2019

Bernie Sanders, channeling FDR, argues case for Democratic Socialism, pitches 'economic

Bill of Rights'

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“It is my very strong belief that the United States must reject that path of hatred and divisiveness, and instead find the moral conviction to choose a different path, a higher path, a path of compassion, justice and love,” Sanders said to a packed room of more than 400 supporters at The George Washington University in Washington, D.C. “And that is the path that I call democratic socialism.”

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"We must take the next step forward and guarantee every man, woman and child in our country basic economic rights – the right to quality health care, the right to as much education as one needs to succeed in our society, the right to a decent job, the right to affordable housing, the right to a secure retirement and the right to live in a clean environment," Sanders said. "We must recognize that in the 21st century, in the wealthiest country in the history of the world, economic rights are human rights."

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As he railed against politics "that have encouraged and subsidized unbridled corporate greed" leading to "an economy that is fundamentally broken and grotesquely unfair," the senator called upon Roosevelt, recalling that his leadership during The Great Depression that faced "scare tactics" similar to those Sanders' argued were multiplying today, such as xenophobia, racism and anti-Semitism.

He later expanded on Roosevelt's 1944 proposed "Second Bill of Rights," by proposing an "Economic Bill of Rights," one which includes "a decent job that pays a living wage," "quality health care," "complete education," "affordable housing," "a clean environment" and "a secure retirement."

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https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-channeling-fdr-argues-case-democratic-socialism/story?id=63660096

It was a most excellent speech!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Bernie Sanders, channeling FDR, argues case for Democratic Socialism, pitches 'economic (Original Post) Uncle Joe Jun 2019 OP

Fourth OP on the same news - with different titles LibFarmer Jun 2019 #1

This is after the fact and different information source. Uncle Joe Jun 2019 #3

Wasn't it typical stump speech stuff? brush Jun 2019 #9

Washington Post-Sanders wants Americans to buy into socialism. He's got some convincing to do Gothmog Jun 2019 #2

FDR had to kick the socialists out of his administration. Hortensis Jun 2019 #4

And still no realistic way to pay for it. nt oldsoftie Jun 2019 #5

"How to pay for it" is only a concern when the other guy has a Politicub Jun 2019 #6

I've heard his explanations. Its not that i dont LIKE them, its just STILL not enough money. oldsoftie Jun 2019 #12

It was a brilliant speech. People should do themselves a favor and Politicub Jun 2019 #7

Just slogans and platitudes LibFarmer Jun 2019 #10

Channeling FDR? murielm99 Jun 2019 #8

lol nt LibFarmer Jun 2019 #11

All of the candidates stand on the shoulders of giants Politicub Jun 2019 #13

FDRMLKLOL betsuni Jun 2019 #14

LibFarmer

(772 posts)

1. Fourth OP on the same news - with different titles

Reply to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 06:52 PM

Jun 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Uncle Joe

(58,362 posts)

3. This is after the fact and different information source.

Reply to LibFarmer (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 06:55 PM

Jun 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

brush

(53,778 posts)

9. Wasn't it typical stump speech stuff?

Reply to LibFarmer (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 08:04 PM

Jun 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Gothmog

(145,242 posts)

2. Washington Post-Sanders wants Americans to buy into socialism. He's got some convincing to do

Reply to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 06:53 PM

Jun 2019

I do not think that the Democratic Party can win with a socialist on the ticket

Link to tweet

It’s a risky move, not least because he has some convincing to do — among his 2020 Democratic field and the whole country. “Should the Democratic Party embrace socialism?” is at the heart of its debate about what kind of candidate can beat President Trump.

Let’s start with the whole country. Less than half of Americans say they’d vote for a socialist for president. More say they’d vote for an atheist or Muslim, according to a Gallup survey in May. That’s the same as 2015 when Sanders first launched his presidency, despite his efforts during that campaign to warm Americans up to socialism. A Monmouth University survey in April finds 57 percent of Americans think socialism is not compatible with American values.....

“If we’re not careful, we’re going to end up reelecting the worst president in American history,” said former Colorado governor John Hickenlooper. (He got booed by a gathering of Democrats in San Francisco for saying that.) It’s also notable that the most vocal proponents of dropping socialism from the campaign trail are at the bottom of the polls right now....

Republicans are downright giddy about all this. What’s a scarier term to the American public than “socialist”? And with one of the leaders in the Democratic Party embracing it, their pitch to voters that Democrats want to radically change the country to something unrecognizable just got a lot easier.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)

4. FDR had to kick the socialists out of his administration.

Reply to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 07:01 PM

Jun 2019

His attempt to include and work with them failed. It's not to much to say they LOATHED FDR, the New Deal programs, and the Democratic Party coalition that made it possible.

They felt he betrayed their chance at a real revolution (socialists, communists and fascists were all fighting for that in that era). They tried to defeat him at the polls so they could block and destroy the New Deal. Of course they failed (as always), and the more successful the New Deal was, the more they despised it.

Think their counterparts today and their attitude toward today's Democratic Party and the ACA, and you'll get something of the picture.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

oldsoftie

(12,545 posts)

5. And still no realistic way to pay for it. nt

Reply to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 07:06 PM

Jun 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Politicub

(12,165 posts)

6. "How to pay for it" is only a concern when the other guy has a

Reply to oldsoftie (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 07:13 PM

Jun 2019

plan you don’t like. Or it’s what republicans say when democrats are in power.

Bernie explains where the money will come from. You may not like his answer, but I have heard him address it.

We’re a big country. Nothing is going to have a small price tag.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

oldsoftie

(12,545 posts)

12. I've heard his explanations. Its not that i dont LIKE them, its just STILL not enough money.

Reply to Politicub (Reply #6)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 10:08 PM

Jun 2019

No one comes close to the amounts we need for the programs we want.
And only one, Yang, proposes a VAT, which Europe & other countries use very well to fund their programs. Everyone pays. Here, not nearly enough pay or will pay under anyones programs; even my current choice.
The numbers always sound good but its always the "over 10 years" nonsense.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Politicub

(12,165 posts)

7. It was a brilliant speech. People should do themselves a favor and

Reply to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 07:27 PM

Jun 2019

watch or read it.

Fulfilling FDR’s vision with an economic bill of rights will be hard work, but it’s important work.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

LibFarmer

(772 posts)

10. Just slogans and platitudes

Reply to Politicub (Reply #7)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 08:31 PM

Jun 2019

No actual plan, how to get it passed or what the economic impact will be on the overall economy.

Sock it to the top half and free programs for the bottom half is not actual policy. People want actual policy details.

Senator Warren has actual workable plans so do Beto O'Rourke, Kamala Harris and Pete Buttigieg.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

murielm99

(30,741 posts)

8. Channeling FDR?

Reply to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 07:56 PM

Jun 2019

Okay. I guess so. Sometimes he outright steals other Democrats' ideas and claims them for his own. Not this time, I guess.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

LibFarmer

(772 posts)

11. lol nt

Reply to murielm99 (Reply #8)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 08:31 PM

Jun 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Politicub

(12,165 posts)

13. All of the candidates stand on the shoulders of giants

Reply to murielm99 (Reply #8)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 10:46 PM

Jun 2019

FDR left a lot of unfinished business for future generations to carry out. Each candidate is building on his legacy in his or her own way.

And the struggle will continue long after 2020.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

betsuni

(25,531 posts)

14. FDRMLKLOL

Reply to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Thu Jun 13, 2019, 08:07 AM

Jun 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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