Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumYoung Turks founder calls Warren's economic patriotism plan 'obvious political wordplay'
The HillI think economic patriotism, its a little goofy," Cenk Uygur told Hill.TVs Krystal Ball and Saagar Enjeti during an interview on Friday in reference to Warrens proposal. I mean, its an obvious political wordplay.
Warren's platform, released earlier this month, would include a $2 trillion investment over the next 10 years in green research, manufacturing and exporting green energy technology. Warren also would help create domestic demand for new American products through $1.5 trillion in federal procurement over a decade.
Uygur went on to praise Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), another progressive giant vying for the Democratic Party's presidential nomination, for his embrace of democratic socialism.
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BlueMTexpat
(15,370 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Clash City Rocker
(3,396 posts)Theyre a classic example of the far left helping the far right. Trump must love those guys.
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LibFarmer
(772 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
gtar100
(4,192 posts)The video at the link doesn't even reflect the characterization of the headline. The headline is misleading and meant to piss off people who like Elizabeth Warren.
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LibFarmer
(772 posts)They seem to ignore that Cenk Uygur is a Republican operative possibly funded by Russia with a goal to cause division in the Democratic party.
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brush
(53,801 posts)candidate he supports? There certainly was a lot of divisiveness last campaign.
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LibFarmer
(772 posts)in the strongest possible terms.
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gtar100
(4,192 posts)One thing is for sure, what you know about Cenk Uygar is what is spoon-fed to you. I know he criticizes the Democratic party sometimes but not all criticism is an attack. Some is actually meant to be constructive which is where I believe Cenk is coming from. Cenk is a self-described progressive and he criticizes Democrats when they veer away from progressive policies. He's not wrong to do so, and neither are Democrats who disagree with him... it's called a policy debate. I don't agree with him on everything (for example, Sanders is not among my top picks) but I don't have to shit on him because of it. And I didn't join the Democratic party because it's infallible. Quite the opposite... it's strength is in its resilience and ability to grow and change with the needs of the people. That means accepting the fact we make mistakes.
In other words, what you said is wrong. You're casting aspersions on the man's character and questioning his motives. He's not here to defend himself but I am and I find his voice (i.e., The Young Turks in general) a very refreshing perspective to have out there. Are you also questioning my character and motives as well? Because those I can speak to you about with authority.
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MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)He is a Republican funded misogynistic pig.
Sorry if the truth offends.
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emulatorloo
(44,143 posts)Its all anti-Dem propaganda with TYT
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gtar100
(4,192 posts)We shouldn't be making enemies out of allies. Do you have to be in agreement with everything before you recognize someone as a friend...or at least an ally? Placing my bets that neither you nor any of the detractors here spends any time actually listening to TYT; just sound bites, if at all. But I'm arguing with folks who quickly turn to name-calling so if you want you can have the last word.
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JI7
(89,257 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)Misogynistic assholes are not my allies. And my allies dont get their funding from Republicans or Russia.
Funny how you stoop to attacking posters here who have said nothing about you personally.
Place your bets wisely.
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LibFarmer
(772 posts)if they don't get their way.
When a majority of Democratic voters are not prone to do that, he advocates voting third party.
The funding for him is clouded in secrecy and it is rumored to be mostly from foreign sources .. like Russia.
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BannonsLiver
(16,411 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,780 posts)when Bernie's undefinable "Democratic socialism" isn't? At least Warren has details, not just dated rhetoric.
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dsc
(52,164 posts)Warren doesn't have a penis so she is not worthy
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gtar100
(4,192 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
gtar100
(4,192 posts)Not at all reflective of the meaning or content even on the video at the link. Cenk is a Bernie Sanders supporter, he said things in support of him...surprise! It was a discussion about the use of the term "Democratic Socialist", the headline is cherry-picking.
This is verbatim from the beginning of the video at the link:
"In terms of the word 'Democratic Socialism' versus... I mean, look, I really like Elizabeth Warren, I think she's a wonderful progressive. I think 'Economic Patriotism'...it's a little goofy, an obvious political wordplay. Right? In terms of 'Democratic Socialism'... I call myself a capitalist, but I don't tweet 'capitalism', I think right now it's runaway corporate socialism, I think it's crony capitalism, the system is absolutely broken and needs to be repaired. So whether you want to reform capitalism in a significant way or call it 'Democratic Socialism' it doesn't really matter. What matters is the policies." - Cenk Uyger
And they go on to discuss more of Bernie Sanders' policies and plans.
So is it clear to us now what a stupid hit piece this article is? Classic example of twisting someone's words around with nefarious intent.
You don't have to like Cenk or Bernie Sanders but distorting the truth doesn't help us one bit. Also, we would do well to know who our allies are. We don't have to agree with everything a person says before we consider someone to be an ally or friend. Cenk and the the TYT organization are very supportive of progressive policies. If he was a member here you might just see a "Sanders" placard below his comments...scandal!
Again, we would do well to know who our friends are because our enemies will gladly drive a wedge between if they see conflict.
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TheFarseer
(9,323 posts)Economic patriotism could mean anything. It could be the name of a Trump program that means totally the opposite of her proposal. Democratic socialism has a meaning - a hybrid of capitalism and socialism along the lines of European democracies. That said, its an odd criticism.
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brush
(53,801 posts)industries along with cooperative ownership of others (in their manifesto). So there's that. Sanders speaks quite often that he favors the Nordic model practiced in northern European countries, which is actually social democracya highly taxed, highly regulated yet robust form of capitalism which provides the funding for free healthcare, college education, etc.
So it makes one wonder if touting the Nordic model is subterfuge to disguise actual socialist leanings or is it just mislabeling and having done it for so long for the attention and shock value, it's too late now to switch to the label of social democrat?
Someone is confused about the actual differences between democratic socialism and social democracy The question is is it the candidate or is it the candidate's intention to confuse?
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Celerity
(43,458 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brush
(53,801 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(146,320 posts)1%? 2%?
I wonder how many DUers care what he says, as well. I do not.
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TwilightZone
(25,472 posts)I'd guess about 8% of posters in the Primaries forum.
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MineralMan
(146,320 posts)I rarely think about Cenk. Only when someone posts something he said or wrote. What I think about Cenk then varies from yawning to understanding that he's not necessarily on my side.
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Sapient Donkey
(1,568 posts)who call themselves progressives. Since it was mostly passive observations on social media. I wasn't able to determine exactly why they have such an intense dislike for her since their posts are usually light on actual substance, but heavy on attacks and posturing.
In fact, in general I don't understand why so many people are so hostile toward candidates they personally don't support. Given the way some folks talk, you'd think everyone but their preferred candidate was a literal nazi who tortures kittens for fun and thinks Saved By The Bell was quality television.
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Politicub
(12,165 posts)Otherwise, he wouldnt try to mischaracterize what Warren says.
Economic patriotism free enterprise that is regulated and not gamed to favor the few sounds like an apt description. You would think he would be in favor of it, but hes more about following a personality rather than solid policy.
And I think there is something more to his performances, but Im not going to risk getting blocked by discussing it.
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BannonsLiver
(16,411 posts)Ctenk is a fraud. Ctenk is a charlatan. Ctenk is Bernie or nobody. Barring that, Ctenk quietly roots for Trump to be re-elected. That makes Ctenk a POS.
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KayF
(1,345 posts)almost uniformly positive. Ana has a strong interest in student loan debt and Warren has a strong forgiveness proposal. Also Warren goes on their show. Not everyone does! This criticism is an exception and it could be because Cenk doesn't know what the policy is about.
That said, it's silly for the Hill to make this throwaway comment into a news story.
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NYMinute
(3,256 posts)the entertainer and morale booster for people on the fringe.
Cenk Uygur is the leftist version of Fox News and InfoWars.
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LakeArenal
(28,829 posts)All of it is word play.
Cenks is all word play.
Until someone gets elected,its wordplay.
After that its promises kept or not.
I suspect Warren is as good at her word as any of them.
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sop
(10,219 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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mcar
(42,340 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Turin_C3PO
(14,016 posts)Hes very likely funded by Russian sources.
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JI7
(89,257 posts)he reminds me of trump.
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Cha
(297,397 posts)******* passé.
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