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brooklynite

(94,639 posts)
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 11:05 AM Jun 2019

Young Turks founder calls Warren's economic patriotism plan 'obvious political wordplay'

The Hill

The founder of the progressive online channel "The Young Turks" criticized Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) over her economic patriotism proposal, calling the name of the plan “goofy” and an “obvious political wordplay.”

“I think economic patriotism, it’s a little goofy," Cenk Uygur told Hill.TV’s Krystal Ball and Saagar Enjeti during an interview on Friday in reference to Warren’s proposal. “I mean, it’s an obvious political wordplay.”

Warren's platform, released earlier this month, would include a $2 trillion investment over the next 10 years in green research, manufacturing and exporting green energy technology. Warren also would help create domestic demand for new American products through $1.5 trillion in federal procurement over a decade.

Uygur went on to praise Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), another progressive giant vying for the Democratic Party's presidential nomination, for his embrace of democratic socialism.
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Young Turks founder calls Warren's economic patriotism plan 'obvious political wordplay' (Original Post) brooklynite Jun 2019 OP
... BlueMTexpat Jun 2019 #1
I can't take anyone associated with TYT seriously any more Clash City Rocker Jun 2019 #2
Cenk Uygur has become irrelevant. nt LibFarmer Jun 2019 #3
That's a personal choice. I like him, he's not irrelevant to me. gtar100 Jun 2019 #7
He is relevant only in the extreme circles LibFarmer Jun 2019 #11
I think you're on to it. And if he is, where does that leave the... brush Jun 2019 #15
I think all candidates should condemn such divisive tactics LibFarmer Jun 2019 #17
Really? Do you always jump that far with people you disagree with? gtar100 Jun 2019 #18
It's really not worth getting all worked up over that dude. Cenk ruined his own character. MrsCoffee Jun 2019 #21
Indeed. He's a "Fox News of The Left" wanna be. With a Republican sugar daddy emulatorloo Jun 2019 #27
Saddened to see such puritanism but not offended. gtar100 Jun 2019 #33
her isn't an ally. he is a misogynist troll JI7 Jun 2019 #36
You can place all the bets you want. MrsCoffee Jun 2019 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author gtar100 Jun 2019 #34
People like Cenk want the Democratic party to lose LibFarmer Jun 2019 #23
Ctenk is a charlatan. BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author aidbo Jun 2019 #26
How is "economic patriotism" an "obvious political wordplay" The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2019 #4
translation dsc Jun 2019 #5
That's a mis-translation. gtar100 Jun 2019 #8
That was a well-written twist on words. gtar100 Jun 2019 #6
I think he means TheFarseer Jun 2019 #9
I understand actual democratic socialists do espouse state ownership of some... brush Jun 2019 #13
Great post! Celerity Jun 2019 #38
Thank you. We need clarification, not '60s rhetoric. brush Jun 2019 #39
I wonder what percentage of Democratic primary voters have heard of Cenk Uygur... MineralMan Jun 2019 #10
"how many DUers care what he says" TwilightZone Jun 2019 #14
That sounds about right, I think. MineralMan Jun 2019 #16
I was surprised to see a lot of negative sentiment toward Warren from people Sapient Donkey Jun 2019 #12
Cenk is no friend of the progressive movement Politicub Jun 2019 #19
I'll say it BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #22
The Young Turks is very positive towards Warren KayF Jun 2019 #20
Cenk Uygur NYMinute Jun 2019 #25
Yawn. LakeArenal Jun 2019 #28
What's "The Young Turks" if not wordplay? sop Jun 2019 #30
Exactly. LakeArenal Jun 2019 #31
Who cares what he thinks? mcar Jun 2019 #29
Screw him. Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #32
Cenk is a right wing misogynist troll JI7 Jun 2019 #35
cenk is so Cha Jun 2019 #40
 

Clash City Rocker

(3,396 posts)
2. I can't take anyone associated with TYT seriously any more
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 11:22 AM
Jun 2019

They’re a classic example of the far left helping the far right. Trump must love those guys.

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LibFarmer

(772 posts)
3. Cenk Uygur has become irrelevant. nt
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 11:25 AM
Jun 2019
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gtar100

(4,192 posts)
7. That's a personal choice. I like him, he's not irrelevant to me.
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 12:05 PM
Jun 2019

The video at the link doesn't even reflect the characterization of the headline. The headline is misleading and meant to piss off people who like Elizabeth Warren.

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LibFarmer

(772 posts)
11. He is relevant only in the extreme circles
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 01:07 PM
Jun 2019

They seem to ignore that Cenk Uygur is a Republican operative possibly funded by Russia with a goal to cause division in the Democratic party.

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brush

(53,801 posts)
15. I think you're on to it. And if he is, where does that leave the...
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 01:51 PM
Jun 2019

candidate he supports? There certainly was a lot of divisiveness last campaign.

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LibFarmer

(772 posts)
17. I think all candidates should condemn such divisive tactics
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 02:22 PM
Jun 2019

in the strongest possible terms.

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gtar100

(4,192 posts)
18. Really? Do you always jump that far with people you disagree with?
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 03:24 PM
Jun 2019

One thing is for sure, what you know about Cenk Uygar is what is spoon-fed to you. I know he criticizes the Democratic party sometimes but not all criticism is an attack. Some is actually meant to be constructive which is where I believe Cenk is coming from. Cenk is a self-described progressive and he criticizes Democrats when they veer away from progressive policies. He's not wrong to do so, and neither are Democrats who disagree with him... it's called a policy debate. I don't agree with him on everything (for example, Sanders is not among my top picks) but I don't have to shit on him because of it. And I didn't join the Democratic party because it's infallible. Quite the opposite... it's strength is in its resilience and ability to grow and change with the needs of the people. That means accepting the fact we make mistakes.

In other words, what you said is wrong. You're casting aspersions on the man's character and questioning his motives. He's not here to defend himself but I am and I find his voice (i.e., The Young Turks in general) a very refreshing perspective to have out there. Are you also questioning my character and motives as well? Because those I can speak to you about with authority.

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MrsCoffee

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21. It's really not worth getting all worked up over that dude. Cenk ruined his own character.
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 04:33 PM
Jun 2019

He is a Republican funded misogynistic pig.

Sorry if the truth offends.

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emulatorloo

(44,143 posts)
27. Indeed. He's a "Fox News of The Left" wanna be. With a Republican sugar daddy
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 05:17 PM
Jun 2019

It’s all anti-Dem propaganda with TYT

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gtar100

(4,192 posts)
33. Saddened to see such puritanism but not offended.
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 06:14 PM
Jun 2019

We shouldn't be making enemies out of allies. Do you have to be in agreement with everything before you recognize someone as a friend...or at least an ally? Placing my bets that neither you nor any of the detractors here spends any time actually listening to TYT; just sound bites, if at all. But I'm arguing with folks who quickly turn to name-calling so if you want you can have the last word.

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JI7

(89,257 posts)
36. her isn't an ally. he is a misogynist troll
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 07:05 PM
Jun 2019
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MrsCoffee

(5,803 posts)
37. You can place all the bets you want.
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 08:07 PM
Jun 2019

Misogynistic assholes are not my allies. And my allies don’t get their funding from Republicans or Russia.

Funny how you stoop to attacking posters here who have said nothing about you personally.

Place your bets wisely.

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LibFarmer

(772 posts)
23. People like Cenk want the Democratic party to lose
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 04:41 PM
Jun 2019

if they don't get their way.

When a majority of Democratic voters are not prone to do that, he advocates voting third party.

The funding for him is clouded in secrecy and it is rumored to be mostly from foreign sources .. like Russia.

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BannonsLiver

(16,411 posts)
24. Ctenk is a charlatan.
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 04:42 PM
Jun 2019
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The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,780 posts)
4. How is "economic patriotism" an "obvious political wordplay"
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 11:27 AM
Jun 2019

when Bernie's undefinable "Democratic socialism" isn't? At least Warren has details, not just dated rhetoric.

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dsc

(52,164 posts)
5. translation
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 11:27 AM
Jun 2019

Warren doesn't have a penis so she is not worthy

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gtar100

(4,192 posts)
8. That's a mis-translation.
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 12:08 PM
Jun 2019
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gtar100

(4,192 posts)
6. That was a well-written twist on words.
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 12:02 PM
Jun 2019

Not at all reflective of the meaning or content even on the video at the link. Cenk is a Bernie Sanders supporter, he said things in support of him...surprise! It was a discussion about the use of the term "Democratic Socialist", the headline is cherry-picking.

This is verbatim from the beginning of the video at the link:

"In terms of the word 'Democratic Socialism' versus... I mean, look, I really like Elizabeth Warren, I think she's a wonderful progressive. I think 'Economic Patriotism'...it's a little goofy, an obvious political wordplay. Right? In terms of 'Democratic Socialism'... I call myself a capitalist, but I don't tweet 'capitalism', I think right now it's runaway corporate socialism, I think it's crony capitalism, the system is absolutely broken and needs to be repaired. So whether you want to reform capitalism in a significant way or call it 'Democratic Socialism' it doesn't really matter. What matters is the policies." - Cenk Uyger

And they go on to discuss more of Bernie Sanders' policies and plans.

So is it clear to us now what a stupid hit piece this article is? Classic example of twisting someone's words around with nefarious intent.

You don't have to like Cenk or Bernie Sanders but distorting the truth doesn't help us one bit. Also, we would do well to know who our allies are. We don't have to agree with everything a person says before we consider someone to be an ally or friend. Cenk and the the TYT organization are very supportive of progressive policies. If he was a member here you might just see a "Sanders" placard below his comments...scandal!

Again, we would do well to know who our friends are because our enemies will gladly drive a wedge between if they see conflict.

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TheFarseer

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9. I think he means
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 12:15 PM
Jun 2019

‘Economic patriotism’ could mean anything. It could be the name of a Trump program that means totally the opposite of her proposal. Democratic socialism has a meaning - a hybrid of capitalism and socialism along the lines of European democracies. That said, it’s an odd criticism.

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brush

(53,801 posts)
13. I understand actual democratic socialists do espouse state ownership of some...
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 01:42 PM
Jun 2019

industries along with cooperative ownership of others (in their manifesto). So there's that. Sanders speaks quite often that he favors the Nordic model practiced in northern European countries, which is actually social democracy—a highly taxed, highly regulated yet robust form of capitalism which provides the funding for free healthcare, college education, etc.

So it makes one wonder if touting the Nordic model is subterfuge to disguise actual socialist leanings or is it just mislabeling and having done it for so long for the attention and shock value, it's too late now to switch to the label of social democrat?

Someone is confused about the actual differences between democratic socialism and social democracy The question is is it the candidate or is it the candidate's intention to confuse?

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brush

(53,801 posts)
39. Thank you. We need clarification, not '60s rhetoric.
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 11:23 PM
Jun 2019
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MineralMan

(146,320 posts)
10. I wonder what percentage of Democratic primary voters have heard of Cenk Uygur...
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 12:58 PM
Jun 2019

1%? 2%?

I wonder how many DUers care what he says, as well. I do not.

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TwilightZone

(25,472 posts)
14. "how many DUers care what he says"
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 01:48 PM
Jun 2019

I'd guess about 8% of posters in the Primaries forum.

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MineralMan

(146,320 posts)
16. That sounds about right, I think.
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 02:00 PM
Jun 2019

I rarely think about Cenk. Only when someone posts something he said or wrote. What I think about Cenk then varies from yawning to understanding that he's not necessarily on my side.

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Sapient Donkey

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12. I was surprised to see a lot of negative sentiment toward Warren from people
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 01:18 PM
Jun 2019

who call themselves progressives. Since it was mostly passive observations on social media. I wasn't able to determine exactly why they have such an intense dislike for her since their posts are usually light on actual substance, but heavy on attacks and posturing.

In fact, in general I don't understand why so many people are so hostile toward candidates they personally don't support. Given the way some folks talk, you'd think everyone but their preferred candidate was a literal nazi who tortures kittens for fun and thinks Saved By The Bell was quality television.

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Politicub

(12,165 posts)
19. Cenk is no friend of the progressive movement
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 03:55 PM
Jun 2019

Otherwise, he wouldn’t try to mischaracterize what Warren says.

Economic patriotism — free enterprise that is regulated and not gamed to favor the few — sounds like an apt description. You would think he would be in favor of it, but he’s more about following a personality rather than solid policy.

And I think there is something more to his performances, but I’m not going to risk getting blocked by discussing it.

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BannonsLiver

(16,411 posts)
22. I'll say it
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 04:40 PM
Jun 2019

Ctenk is a fraud. Ctenk is a charlatan. Ctenk is Bernie or nobody. Barring that, Ctenk quietly roots for Trump to be re-elected. That makes Ctenk a POS.

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KayF

(1,345 posts)
20. The Young Turks is very positive towards Warren
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 04:23 PM
Jun 2019

almost uniformly positive. Ana has a strong interest in student loan debt and Warren has a strong forgiveness proposal. Also Warren goes on their show. Not everyone does! This criticism is an exception and it could be because Cenk doesn't know what the policy is about.

That said, it's silly for the Hill to make this throwaway comment into a news story.

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NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
25. Cenk Uygur
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 04:44 PM
Jun 2019

the entertainer and morale booster for people on the fringe.

Cenk Uygur is the leftist version of Fox News and InfoWars.

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LakeArenal

(28,829 posts)
28. Yawn.
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 05:38 PM
Jun 2019

All of it is word play.
Cenk’s is all word play.

Until someone gets elected,it’s wordplay.

After that it’s promises kept or not.

I suspect Warren is as good at her word as any of them.

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sop

(10,219 posts)
30. What's "The Young Turks" if not wordplay?
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 05:52 PM
Jun 2019
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mcar

(42,340 posts)
29. Who cares what he thinks?
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 05:41 PM
Jun 2019
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Turin_C3PO

(14,016 posts)
32. Screw him.
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 05:58 PM
Jun 2019

He’s very likely funded by Russian sources.

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JI7

(89,257 posts)
35. Cenk is a right wing misogynist troll
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 07:01 PM
Jun 2019

he reminds me of trump.

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Cha

(297,397 posts)
40. cenk is so
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 01:38 PM
Jun 2019

******* passé.

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