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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 09:09 AM Jun 2019

Democrats don't need to tack right on immigration to win


Pundits like David Frum and Andrew Sullivan want Democrats to move right on immigration. They’re wrong.

By Zack Beauchamp @zackbeauchamp zack@vox.com Jun 17, 2019, 8:40am EDT

In the years since Trump’s victory, a cottage intellectual industry has sprung up arguing that Democrats and European center-left parties need to move right on immigration if they want to win.

Its proponents include anti-Trump conservative writers like David Frum and Andrew Sullivan (themselves both immigrants to the United States), center-right academics like Oxford’s Paul Collier and University of London’s Eric Kaufmann, and even a few leftists like essayist Angela Nagle. The basic argument is pretty consistent: There’s a rising populist revolt against mass immigration in the West, and liberals need to adjust to this reality rather than try to fight it.

This industry has gone into overdrive in recent weeks, driven largely by the results of Denmark’s early June election. Denmark’s center-left Social Democratic Party (SDP), which had tacked hard right on immigration in recent years, defeated the conservative incumbent and won the most seats in parliament — while the far-right populist Danish People’s Party (DPP) lost more than half of its support. This, the immigration skeptics argue, is proof that they are right: Democrats and other center-left parties can co-opt Trump and the European far right simply by leaning into their anti-migrant bona fides.

“Imagine if [Elizabeth] Warren were to model her campaign on the newly elected social democrats in Denmark,” Sullivan writes. “A Democratic adoption of tighter immigration policies and less stridently leftist cultural stances could dominate [among many voters].”

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https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/6/17/18679070/democrats-immigration-shift-right-bad
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rampartc

(5,412 posts)
1. are "open borders" as described by trump really the policy of anyone?
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 09:26 AM
Jun 2019

such a policy might make sense given the levels of cheap labor desired by corporate America, and the expense of running a parallel criminal justice system to enforce the border, open borders, along with covering all immigrants with our fair labor standards and occupational safety and health regulations would remove the competitive advantage of "illegal" labor. but my real point is that.

enforcement of existing laws in a humane manner is not "open borders" and should serve to begin a rational reform of the system to 21st century reality.

i'm no expert on what is left center or right on this issue, and could probably use an update in what would be a rational post trump policy.

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pecosbob

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2. What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and to lose his soul?
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 09:31 AM
Jun 2019
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BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
3. Why would any Democrat listen to those jerks?
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 09:41 AM
Jun 2019

David Frum? Andrew Sullivan? Sullivan can stuff it, Warren is never going to do that.

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Hoyt

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4. Appears Sanders supports tight immigration. Warren does too as part of her "Economic Patriotism"
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 10:03 AM
Jun 2019

ideology.

I do not think those who believe in America First, oppose global trade, criticized the TPP, etc., are best to handle a reasonable immigration policy. Better than trump, definitely, but I don't like the way "Economic Patriotism" sounds. Hope both candidates moderate on that nonsense.

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