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DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 03:04 PM Jun 2019

Sexism is weighing down the women running for the Democratic nomination

Sexism is weighing down the women running for the Democratic presidential nomination, a new public opinion survey conducted by Ipsos for The Daily Beast reveals.

A full 20 percent of Democratic and independent men who responded to the survey said they agreed with the sentiment that women are “less effective in politics than men.” And while 74 percent of respondents claimed they were personally comfortable with a female president, only 33 percent believed their neighbors would be comfortable with a woman in the Oval Office.

That latter number, explained Mallory Newall, research director at Ipsos, was a strong tell about how gender dynamics were souring voters on certain candidates. Asking respondents how they believe their neighbors feel about an issue is “a classic method to get around people being reluctant to admit to less popular views.”

{snip}

The discomfort that voters have with female candidates helps explain one of the persistent undercurrents of the current election. In various hypothetical general election matchups, the male Democratic candidates have consistently done better against President Trump than their female counterparts.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/elizabeth-warren-and-kamala-harris-are-being-held-back-by-sexist-voters-exclusive-poll-finds
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Sexism is weighing down the women running for the Democratic nomination (Original Post) DesertRat Jun 2019 OP
Oh, godz, no! Really??! Do ya think?? (We should have a sarcasm smiley for the title line) n/t TygrBright Jun 2019 #1
This was also a problem for Hillary nt NYMinute Jun 2019 #2
Yes it was even though she received more votes than DT DesertRat Jun 2019 #3
The 20% who say women are "less effective" are wrong. It's men in govt who are "less responsive" ancianita Jun 2019 #4
You have put your finger right on the problem! CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2019 #7
Yes! Thank you DesertRat Jun 2019 #9
Well said. pangaia Jun 2019 #14
Yeah, and the ones here who feel that way have something in common. n/t demmiblue Jun 2019 #5
Yup, and what's funny usually they couch it as "my friend says so and so..." cwydro Jun 2019 #8
Ugh mcar Jun 2019 #6
I was wondering what it might be. NurseJackie Jun 2019 #10
K&R brer cat Jun 2019 #11
Wouldn't be surprised...I have relatives that are very sexist and racist too...I stay away for my... SWBTATTReg Jun 2019 #12
I live in the heart of trumpsters. LakeArenal Jun 2019 #13
They might have gone for Sarah Palin The Mouth Jun 2019 #21
"Sexism is weighing down the women running for the Democratic presidential nomination." Nitram Jun 2019 #15
Well, that sucks. But all it takes is that special charismatic one, to change things. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #16
charismatic women? JGug1 Jun 2019 #18
Houston, we have a problem. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #19
Sexism JGug1 Jun 2019 #17
The VP will likely run in 2024, I think, if Biden wins. nt Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #20
Only white men need apply until 2028. BlueWI Jun 2019 #24
Msybe because we have to stop the right. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #33
Nothing clear at all about that nonsense. MrsCoffee Jun 2019 #36
Fuck that noise. MrsCoffee Jun 2019 #35
Of course women can be just as effective but with numbers like those I don't think any of our Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #22
Makes me sadder that so many have given up on our female candidates. BlueWI Jun 2019 #25
I feel it is the most important thing in the world to get rid of aTrump. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #30
Tired, lame excuses. MrsCoffee Jun 2019 #37
+ infinity MrsCoffee Jun 2019 #38
K and R sheshe2 Jun 2019 #23
We don't know because we keep electing men. Hoyt Jun 2019 #26
Ginsberg wont last another term...not the year to take a chance. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #32
Ginsberg is a big concern, but not sure that's a good reason to go for a man. Hoyt Jun 2019 #34
With millions of male voters... VarryOn Jun 2019 #27
Yes, just as Obama was elected by milions of white voters Liberty Belle Jun 2019 #28
but will those men vote for trump over a female democratic nominee? ecstatic Jun 2019 #29
Yes i believe they will and some did in 2016. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #31
I believe some just won't vote for President DesertRat Jun 2019 #39
 

TygrBright

(20,762 posts)
1. Oh, godz, no! Really??! Do ya think?? (We should have a sarcasm smiley for the title line) n/t
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 03:16 PM
Jun 2019
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NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
2. This was also a problem for Hillary nt
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 03:17 PM
Jun 2019
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DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
3. Yes it was even though she received more votes than DT
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 03:24 PM
Jun 2019

I think this poll shows that she would have done even better weren't for sexism.

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ancianita

(36,098 posts)
4. The 20% who say women are "less effective" are wrong. It's men in govt who are "less responsive"
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 03:25 PM
Jun 2019

to women leaders -- they are the problem. Not women's so-called effectiveness.

Their failure to see women leaders' ideas because they can't see past women having the ideas is what weighs women down.

Women not only have to fight for their ideas and actions, they have to fight against their equals who refuse to live with women's equality, and thus find any pretext for undermining women's effectiveness.

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CaliforniaPeggy

(149,640 posts)
7. You have put your finger right on the problem!
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 03:54 PM
Jun 2019

Your post is extremely well written. I urge you to post it as a stand-alone post, an OP.

It needs to be seen much more widely!



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pangaia

(24,324 posts)
14. Well said.
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 05:32 PM
Jun 2019

My particular 'field of expertise,' was/is as a classical musician.

Women conductors have been in living hell trying to 'make it.'

To say nothing of the fight to just become orchestra members, which has been improved 10,000%, I will say... yet...

Here is one of the really brilliant conductors---
Mirga Gražinytė-Tyla

Her PROMS debut.
But, she makes a mistake during the Mozart.. A tiny one, but the winds save her.. Can you spot it?


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demmiblue

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5. Yeah, and the ones here who feel that way have something in common. n/t
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 03:35 PM
Jun 2019
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cwydro

(51,308 posts)
8. Yup, and what's funny usually they couch it as "my friend says so and so..."
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 03:57 PM
Jun 2019

Or “the average American is not ready...”

Yeah, right.

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NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
10. I was wondering what it might be.
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 04:05 PM
Jun 2019
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SWBTATTReg

(22,143 posts)
12. Wouldn't be surprised...I have relatives that are very sexist and racist too...I stay away for my...
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 04:56 PM
Jun 2019

own sanity...

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LakeArenal

(28,820 posts)
13. I live in the heart of trumpsters.
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 05:20 PM
Jun 2019

The “Birthplace of the Republican Party” is 25 miles away. They are never going to vote for a women. NEVER.

They still fly Don’t Tread on Me flags.
There are still Hillary for
Prison signs up.
The diviest bar still sells the T-shirts.

One house had one cornstalk up with a sign,
Corn “MACE” For Blondes. It was up a year.

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The Mouth

(3,150 posts)
21. They might have gone for Sarah Palin
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 06:18 PM
Jun 2019

Man, I would liked to have seen Clinton vs Palin in 2008.

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Nitram

(22,822 posts)
15. "Sexism is weighing down the women running for the Democratic presidential nomination."
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 05:34 PM
Jun 2019

It always does.

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Honeycombe8

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16. Well, that sucks. But all it takes is that special charismatic one, to change things.
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 05:36 PM
Jun 2019

Just like people had a view of black people and wouldn't vote for an Af. American for President, along came Obama, and all that changed. He wasn't so much a person of mixed race as he was a charismatic politician with natural leadership qualities.

That's what may change the female thing. This charismatic leadership quality is hard to come by among men, and harder to find among women.

It's a confidence, a sense of self, an ease with oneself and others, good sense of humor, smart, quick on her feet...someone anyone would follow if you're lost in a jungle, and she says, "Follow me! I'll find the way out!"

Women haven't historically been raised to have these qualities. But that's changing, so hopefully, more women will exhibit these natural leadership qualities.

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JGug1

(320 posts)
18. charismatic women?
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 05:43 PM
Jun 2019

OAC as she grows. Perhaps as soon as 2028?

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Honeycombe8

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19. Houston, we have a problem.
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 06:15 PM
Jun 2019

If you think Cortez is charismatic or would appeal to anywhere near a majority of voters in the states, we have a problem.

Do you live in New York? I'm just curious why Cortez would spring to mind for you.

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JGug1

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17. Sexism
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 05:42 PM
Jun 2019

It is what it is and it is WHY we should nominate a man. We simply cannot afford to have Trump reelected. Maybe put a female on the ticket and she can run in 2028.

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Honeycombe8

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20. The VP will likely run in 2024, I think, if Biden wins. nt
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 06:16 PM
Jun 2019


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BlueWI

(1,736 posts)
24. Only white men need apply until 2028.
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 11:11 PM
Jun 2019

Maybe we should put it on a sign!

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Demsrule86

(68,593 posts)
33. Msybe because we have to stop the right.
Tue Jun 18, 2019, 08:28 AM
Jun 2019

I dont know how long it takes, but clearly not this year.

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MrsCoffee

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36. Nothing clear at all about that nonsense.
Tue Jun 18, 2019, 08:50 AM
Jun 2019

Some folks sure seem to walk around like they know something when really they are just throwing around tired old excuses because they are so concerned that the womenz can only fail.

Even after Hillary, a woman who was attacked and threatened relentlessly, sailed to victory. The only way she could be beaten was by treason.

But, yeah, certainly not this year.

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MrsCoffee

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35. Fuck that noise.
Tue Jun 18, 2019, 08:43 AM
Jun 2019
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Demsrule86

(68,593 posts)
22. Of course women can be just as effective but with numbers like those I don't think any of our
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 07:19 PM
Jun 2019

women candidates will win a general...makes me sad.

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BlueWI

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25. Makes me sadder that so many have given up on our female candidates.
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 11:12 PM
Jun 2019

Not a good look for the party that claims to favor inclusion.

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Demsrule86

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30. I feel it is the most important thing in the world to get rid of aTrump.
Tue Jun 18, 2019, 08:25 AM
Jun 2019

I can't change the sexism in the electorate before 2020 for sure so i wil pick a candidate who can win...better to win than be inclusive and lose. Reality often is a bitch.

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MrsCoffee

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37. Tired, lame excuses.
Tue Jun 18, 2019, 08:51 AM
Jun 2019
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Hoyt

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26. We don't know because we keep electing men.
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 11:17 PM
Jun 2019
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Demsrule86

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32. Ginsberg wont last another term...not the year to take a chance.
Tue Jun 18, 2019, 08:26 AM
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Hoyt

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34. Ginsberg is a big concern, but not sure that's a good reason to go for a man.
Tue Jun 18, 2019, 08:33 AM
Jun 2019
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VarryOn

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27. With millions of male voters...
Tue Jun 18, 2019, 12:12 AM
Jun 2019

I dont doubt at least some would not vote for a woman. For me (and I suspect I'm not the only one), I am extra-motivated to vote for a woman out of a "gender or sex guilt." ( it's akin to white guilt.) It makes me feel good to vote for a woman and any guily I have (which Isnt great but it is assuaged by voting for a woman. For sure, I always vote for the best candidate, so sex isnt the main catagory. But, I feel good voting for a woman. I feel good voting for any non-mainstream candidate (as long as they are a Democrat)! I violated my conscience in 2006, though, when I voted for a cousin running for cicuit judge as a Republican.

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Liberty Belle

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28. Yes, just as Obama was elected by milions of white voters
Tue Jun 18, 2019, 12:59 AM
Jun 2019

and people of other races -- there just aren't enough black voters for him to win with that alone.

We cannot pander to the bigots, racists and male chauvinists who are likely not going to vote Democratic no matter what. The Neanderthals would vote for a chimpanzee if it has an R after its name on the ballot.

Women and people of color, however, excite many voters who might otherwise stay home, boosting turnout.

There have been plenty of women Governors elected even in conservative Southern states. I am just not worried that gender alone would cost more votes than it would win.

And a woman at the top of the Dem ticket might also get some moderate women's votes -- and after all, women ARE the majority of the U.S. population!

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ecstatic

(32,712 posts)
29. but will those men vote for trump over a female democratic nominee?
Tue Jun 18, 2019, 01:40 AM
Jun 2019
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Demsrule86

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31. Yes i believe they will and some did in 2016.
Tue Jun 18, 2019, 08:26 AM
Jun 2019
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DesertRat

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39. I believe some just won't vote for President
Tue Jun 18, 2019, 12:39 PM
Jun 2019

voting only for local candidates and propositions. I know people who did that in 2016.

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