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Celerity

(43,416 posts)
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 06:42 PM Jun 2019

Joe Biden's Full Speech/Questions at Poor People's Campaign Presidential Forum Today



Watch live coverage of the Poor People’s Campaign Presidential Forum where 2020 candidates will be questioned directly from the nation’s poor. Hosted at Trinity University in Washington, candidates including former Vice President Joe Biden, Sen. Kamala Harris, Sen. Bernie Sanders, Sen. Elizabeth Warren, and others, will discuss solutions for systematic racism and poverty in the U.S. MSNBC’s Joy Reid moderates. 10 Democratic presidential candidates spoke at the Poor People’s Campaign Presidential Forum in Washington, DC.
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Joe Biden's Full Speech/Questions at Poor People's Campaign Presidential Forum Today (Original Post) Celerity Jun 2019 OP
were there actually any "poor" people at this elitist event full of wealthy people? nt msongs Jun 2019 #1
Better question, what evidence do you have this was an 'elitist' event? Celerity Jun 2019 #2
Why so aggressive? melman Jun 2019 #3
Lol BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #4
Finger jabbing and aggressive posture not bad now? melman Jun 2019 #5
Awwww... Skya Rhen Jun 2019 #6
He is not using the gesture to jab. You are intentionally misinterpreting. emmaverybo Jun 2019 #8
That gesture is him telling her what's what. Demit Jun 2019 #9
Do you know what he's saying? Her expression and the nun's Sitting beside her sure don't tell me emmaverybo Jun 2019 #10
I know my mother taught me it's rude to point. Demit Jun 2019 #16
I guess you have not studied gesture. The meaning varies with context. Biden often speaks with emmaverybo Jun 2019 #39
Wrong. She was waving her hands at him when asking her R B Garr Jun 2019 #22
I was listening as well as watching body language. Demit Jun 2019 #24
She was the moderator. She was seated at the end of R B Garr Jun 2019 #27
I don't have to mischaracterize anything. Biden's proclivities are there for all to see. Demit Jun 2019 #33
You are invested in your descriptions which I didn't see. R B Garr Jun 2019 #35
Sorry can't talk BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #11
Interesting terminology melman Jun 2019 #12
What's revealing is your interpretation of Biden. BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author emmaverybo Jun 2019 #14
And I suggest you reply to the person you mean to reply to. BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #17
Oh dear. And I can't reroute so I will delete. Sorry. emmaverybo Jun 2019 #34
Ironic that you allege that. LanternWaste Jun 2019 #30
You are reaching. Play this with sound, in its context, not as a still picture that you then emmaverybo Jun 2019 #7
Okay melman Jun 2019 #15
Joy Reid was waving her hands all around while asking R B Garr Jun 2019 #28
Deceptively edited segments turned into gifs nt NYMinute Jun 2019 #20
No editing melman Jun 2019 #26
Not surprised you guys are throwing this at the wall in hope it sticks. LanternWaste Jun 2019 #31
"You guys" melman Jun 2019 #32
I sure hope I don't have to vote for him Nov. 2020 DCofVA Jun 2019 #36
I was more disturbed at the interaction with Barber floppyboo Jun 2019 #18
oh - and the back-peddling after telling Barber he was 'proud of him' floppyboo Jun 2019 #19
Better than John Lewis getting boo'ed nt NYMinute Jun 2019 #21
Yes, it was unfortunate many did not think Lewis' apology was enough floppyboo Jun 2019 #23
John Lewis is a Democratic hero NYMinute Jun 2019 #37
Fact is, he did apologize. floppyboo Jun 2019 #41
Give me proof that Bernie booed John Lewis floppyboo Jun 2019 #25
... NYMinute Jun 2019 #38
Ah, but is it worse than participating in it first hand? floppyboo Jun 2019 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author Autumn Jun 2019 #29
Forget the polls... I can't see this guy beating Trump. thesquanderer Jun 2019 #42
 

msongs

(67,420 posts)
1. were there actually any "poor" people at this elitist event full of wealthy people? nt
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 06:46 PM
Jun 2019
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Celerity

(43,416 posts)
2. Better question, what evidence do you have this was an 'elitist' event?
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 07:04 PM
Jun 2019

I see little to nothing elitist about this organisation whatsoever. They are probably the least 'elitist' group that our candidates will appear before this entire campaign.

Maybe you are confusing this with 5000 USD a plate fundraisers populated with union-busting lawyers, 7 or 8 figure net worth telecom execs, and insurance executives who run lobbyist groups who spent over 100 million dollars to try and stop Obamacare and have vowed to do the same to defeat the public option, etc etc etc.

https://www.poorpeoplescampaign.org/



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melman

(7,681 posts)
3. Why so aggressive?
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 07:08 PM
Jun 2019

Finger wagging. Space invading.









It's very disturbing.

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melman

(7,681 posts)
5. Finger jabbing and aggressive posture not bad now?
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 07:31 PM
Jun 2019

My, how times change.

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emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
8. He is not using the gesture to jab. You are intentionally misinterpreting.
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 07:48 PM
Jun 2019
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Demit

(11,238 posts)
9. That gesture is him telling her what's what.
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 09:03 PM
Jun 2019

He's not saying "Pull my finger."

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emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
10. Do you know what he's saying? Her expression and the nun's Sitting beside her sure don't tell me
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 10:54 PM
Jun 2019

he’s doing what you claim. You know better.

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Demit

(11,238 posts)
16. I know my mother taught me it's rude to point.
Tue Jun 18, 2019, 05:55 AM
Jun 2019

I don't point at people while I'm talking to them. I've pointed my finger UP IN THE AIR while making a point, which isn't at all aggressive. Walking toward someone—when they can hear you perfectly well from where you are standing—leaning forward, then pointing at them has an aggressive connotation. It's rude.

And not visibly reacting to a person's rudeness is good manners.

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emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
39. I guess you have not studied gesture. The meaning varies with context. Biden often speaks with
Tue Jun 18, 2019, 04:41 PM
Jun 2019

a pointing finger, non-aggressively. You are trying to sell us, in a highly manipulative way, on one, out of context, interpretation that suits your agenda.

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R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
22. Wrong. She was waving her hands at him when asking her
Tue Jun 18, 2019, 01:07 PM
Jun 2019

question. When he was answering, he was specifically answering that it was a “brass knuckle fight” with Republicans and he was specifically describing how he would go about it. Both Joy’s hands and Biden’s are not an issue, lol.

Obviously those concerned didn’t listen to what was being asked and answered.

Joy Reid said yesterday it was a Bernie friendly audience, so that explains all this...concern about Biden.

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Demit

(11,238 posts)
24. I was listening as well as watching body language.
Tue Jun 18, 2019, 01:22 PM
Jun 2019

If Joy Reid had gotten up, walked over to Biden and waved her hands while asking the question, I would've thought that odd body language too. But she kept her seat, apparently not feeling the need to enter his personal space to ask it.

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R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
27. She was the moderator. She was seated at the end of
Tue Jun 18, 2019, 01:37 PM
Jun 2019

the panel, not right next to Biden. So he moved closer, so what. The Reverend was right next to him. So was the second female questioner. But that is now common practice in that type setting since the Clinton/Bush debate where Clinton stood and moved toward the questioner to show interest and respect while Bush looked at his watch.

This is a trumped up way to mischaracterize to try and perpetuate what you want to be a yuuge stigma about Biden. It’s so obvious. Biden was also answering what a “brass knuckle fight” with Republicans would be like.

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Demit

(11,238 posts)
33. I don't have to mischaracterize anything. Biden's proclivities are there for all to see.
Tue Jun 18, 2019, 02:30 PM
Jun 2019

People will form their own impressions, quite apart from mine, the more they see of him during this long campaign. If you can maintain your confidence that he's up to the task of being president, fine. But the more time that passes, and the more he does bumbling things like he did in this appearance, the more doubt other people are going to have, I think.

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R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
35. You are invested in your descriptions which I didn't see.
Tue Jun 18, 2019, 02:40 PM
Jun 2019

You have to convince others that there is something nefarious in a politician using their arms while speaking or moving closer to someone you’re speaking with. This kind of program was started by Lucy Flores just days before Biden announced. Now it’s drug out every time Biden is in public. The drama and overkill is ridiculous and unnecessary.

I didn’t see bumbling. It is you who is concerned about maintaining this dialogue to perpetuate a meme about Biden that you must think is devastating to his campaign. It’s not.



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BannonsLiver

(16,396 posts)
11. Sorry can't talk
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 11:13 PM
Jun 2019

Joe Biden’s micro aggressions have me scurrying to my safe space.

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melman

(7,681 posts)
12. Interesting terminology
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 11:15 PM
Jun 2019

One might even say revealing.

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BannonsLiver

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13. What's revealing is your interpretation of Biden.
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 11:18 PM
Jun 2019
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BannonsLiver

(16,396 posts)
17. And I suggest you reply to the person you mean to reply to.
Tue Jun 18, 2019, 11:43 AM
Jun 2019
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emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
34. Oh dear. And I can't reroute so I will delete. Sorry.
Tue Jun 18, 2019, 02:33 PM
Jun 2019
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LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
30. Ironic that you allege that.
Tue Jun 18, 2019, 01:57 PM
Jun 2019

One might even say revealing. Part II.

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emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
7. You are reaching. Play this with sound, in its context, not as a still picture that you then
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 07:47 PM
Jun 2019

interpret.

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melman

(7,681 posts)
15. Okay
Tue Jun 18, 2019, 03:04 AM
Jun 2019

Here's some context and sound. Doesn't really seem a whole lot better.



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R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
28. Joy Reid was waving her hands all around while asking
Tue Jun 18, 2019, 01:41 PM
Jun 2019

her question. zOmG!

Joy Reid also said this was a Bernie friendly audience. That must be why all the concern about Biden.....

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NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
20. Deceptively edited segments turned into gifs nt
Tue Jun 18, 2019, 12:44 PM
Jun 2019
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melman

(7,681 posts)
26. No editing
Tue Jun 18, 2019, 01:32 PM
Jun 2019

deceptive or otherwise. Taken directly from the original video.

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LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
31. Not surprised you guys are throwing this at the wall in hope it sticks.
Tue Jun 18, 2019, 01:58 PM
Jun 2019

But I am surprised you guys think it has the potential to stick.

A finger.

Pointed.

Wow.

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melman

(7,681 posts)
32. "You guys"
Tue Jun 18, 2019, 02:04 PM
Jun 2019

lol what guys would those be?

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DCofVA

(714 posts)
36. I sure hope I don't have to vote for him Nov. 2020
Tue Jun 18, 2019, 02:44 PM
Jun 2019
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floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
18. I was more disturbed at the interaction with Barber
Tue Jun 18, 2019, 12:08 PM
Jun 2019

don't have the know how to post the moment, but when biden pats Barber on the thigh while calling him 'boy' - then the barbs from Barber's eyes as he walks past towards Reid - then when he tries to again get handsy with Barber, and Barber pulls back an fiddles with his mic (my physical reading of this is avoidance) then when biden walks past - the Barber eye-roll.

I wonder if biden is too stuck in his status quo to re-invent himself. He has trouble even talking the talk, let alone walking it.

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floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
19. oh - and the back-peddling after telling Barber he was 'proud of him'
Tue Jun 18, 2019, 12:16 PM
Jun 2019

so embarrassing - but at least biden recognized he had stepped in it big time - in almost real time.

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NYMinute

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21. Better than John Lewis getting boo'ed nt
Tue Jun 18, 2019, 12:45 PM
Jun 2019
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floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
23. Yes, it was unfortunate many did not think Lewis' apology was enough
Tue Jun 18, 2019, 01:20 PM
Jun 2019

I, personally, blame Johnathon Capehart, for his misleading statements/reporting that were amplified by Lewis' remarks - taken out of context. EDIT: 'contextualized' to promote a narrative.
Some feel Lewis did not do enough correcting. It was a very unfortunate chain of events - but again - Lewis' remarks would not have had such an impact were it not for the shoddy journalism that proceeded them.

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NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
37. John Lewis is a Democratic hero
Tue Jun 18, 2019, 03:13 PM
Jun 2019

He should never be boo'ed. PERIOD.

He had a skull fracture in Selma while marching with MLK, Jr. and he has paid his dues.

Why should John Lewis apologize for ANYTHING?

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floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
41. Fact is, he did apologize.
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 01:38 AM
Jun 2019

I don't want to speculate on why he did. He just did.

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floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
25. Give me proof that Bernie booed John Lewis
Tue Jun 18, 2019, 01:28 PM
Jun 2019

Show me one instance where Bernie slams Lewis. One.
Edit: So no, its not the same thing. Not at all. Biden's words 'boy' and 'proud of you' are not at all the same as a crowd reaction. He said those things. They are the language of a colonial past.
Maybe I missed something Bernie said, himself, that also treated Lewis like a 3rd class citizen.

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NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
38. ...
Tue Jun 18, 2019, 03:14 PM
Jun 2019

Not doing anything to stop it and not condemning it afterwards is WORSE than actually booing.

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floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
40. Ah, but is it worse than participating in it first hand?
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 01:05 AM
Jun 2019

defending friends, let alone family, that have committed what may be considered offensive, or indeed, in some court of ultimate god-like judgement be considered as definitively evil, may be a noble and good act. To commit the offense is another thing entirely.
I look forward to biden's apology.

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thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
42. Forget the polls... I can't see this guy beating Trump.
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 10:48 AM
Jun 2019

If Trump were on the same debate stage, I don't see that kind of performance persuading the persuadable in MI/WI/PA to abandon Trump, despite Biden's vaunted "working class appeal." Ten or twenty years ago maybe. But he's turning into a cranky, rambling, barely comprehensible doddering old man. I really worry that if he gets the nomination, we're sunk. I think all the polls showing him strongest against Trump are based on things like name recognition, his association with Obama, and memories of his more youthful self. When people see and hear this guy, I think a lot of that support will evaporate.

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