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Uncle Joe

(58,426 posts)
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 08:14 PM Mar 2019

Cornel West Endorses Sanders:



‘My Dear Brother Bernie Stands Shoulders Above Any Of The Other Candidates’

(snip)

West, who endorsed Sanders in 2016 and campaigned for him, explained that the Vermont senator fulfils “Martin Luther King-like” criteria when it comes to issues of race, war, materialism, and poverty.

“And this is the first time I’ve had a chance to publicly endorse him again, but yes, indeed. I’ll be in his corner that we’re going to win this time,” he said, adding, “my dear brother Bernie stands shoulders above any of the other candidates running in the Democratic primary when it comes to that Martin Luther King-like standards or criteria.”

In 2016 Sanders was facing two major issues: The “Clinton machine” and lack of name recognition. Since then, African Americans have “had the chance to discover” who Bernie Sanders really is, according to the philosopher, and this is now reflected in the polls.

“They’ve seen the genuine conviction and commitment that he has against racism,” West said.

(snip)

“The core is ensuring that there’s fundamental transformation in the racist system under which we live so that the lives of black and brown and yellow peoples are much better,” he said.


https://www.inquisitr.com/5330820/cornel-west-endorses-bernie-sanders/

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Cornel West Endorses Sanders: (Original Post) Uncle Joe Mar 2019 OP
Another great reason to vote for someone else BannonsLiver Mar 2019 #1
Amen. nt Kahuna7 Mar 2019 #83
Sanders does GWC58 Mar 2019 #96
Cornell West is a wannabe radical frozen in amber. Blue_true Mar 2019 #139
What a surprise!!! mcar Mar 2019 #2
Makes sense. They both hate Obama Renew Deal Mar 2019 #3
+100000 BannonsLiver Mar 2019 #4
As Yoda said... sacto95834 Mar 2019 #11
Am I supposed to be impressed by this? BooScout Mar 2019 #5
We're Not.... LovingA2andMI Mar 2019 #164
West went on to endorse Stein. sheshe2 Mar 2019 #6
Ugh. MH1 Mar 2019 #16
Yep. sheshe2 Mar 2019 #17
"A niggerized black person is a black person who..... George II Mar 2019 #23
Sad, isn't it, George. sheshe2 Mar 2019 #35
Does THIS look like "a black person who is afraid and scared and intimidated"???? George II Mar 2019 #104
I thought of this photo immediately. Thanks for posting. allgood33 Mar 2019 #121
BOOM! This is looking like Deja Vu all over again. George II Mar 2019 #21
Yes. It is. sheshe2 Mar 2019 #40
It sure is. Tipperary Mar 2019 #103
You rec'd your own post? TwilightZone Mar 2019 #7
I rec about 98% of my posts. Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #8
I guess you have a high opinion of yourself. TwilightZone Mar 2019 #9
I have a high opinion of the OPs that I post here at D.U. or I wouldn't post them. Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #10
As I posted above, West went on to endorse third party. nt sheshe2 Mar 2019 #12
As you should... your posts are that good!! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #31
... Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #34
LOL! Maven Mar 2019 #13
Soon I am sure. sheshe2 Mar 2019 #15
It is only a matter of time Gothmog Mar 2019 #56
I hear that Susan is holding out for the four horsemen of the Apocalypse. nt Blue_true Mar 2019 #140
LOL PupCamo Mar 2019 #153
Lol! Nt ecstatic Mar 2019 #157
Shockingly unbelievable forklift Mar 2019 #14
Let me correct that for you - you should have said "shockingly BE-lievable"! George II Mar 2019 #20
I was obviously being facetious. forklift Mar 2019 #22
K&R! Devil Child Mar 2019 #18
Not sure, but didn't he vote for Jill Stein in 2016 too? George II Mar 2019 #19
He endorsed Stein and campaigned for her forklift Mar 2019 #25
Is this supposed to be a good thing? Cornel West was pro-Trump in the 2016 general election. DanTex Mar 2019 #24
That's false. Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #26
He voted for Jill Stein. Essentially the same thing. George II Mar 2019 #27
You couldn't be more wrong, those are two entirely different things. Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #29
No. sheshe2 Mar 2019 #39
Sure it does, DU welcomes pretty much anyone so long as they promote Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #44
Democrats voting and endorsing third party... sheshe2 Mar 2019 #48
I don't know, it depends on the circumstances. Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #53
Interesting post. sheshe2 Mar 2019 #88
Especially another Putin plant themaguffin Mar 2019 #124
How? A vote for stein was a vote for putin and trump Gothmog Mar 2019 #58
No. A public persona supporting Stein rather than Clinton in 2016 MH1 Mar 2019 #119
How is that? Blue_true Mar 2019 #141
It's true. He endorsed Jill Stein, which is a obvious, direct, and intentional pro-Trump action. DanTex Mar 2019 #28
Cornell followed his conscious, after the Democratic Primaries, Stein was the only Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #33
Yup. His conscience told him to help Trump become president. That's my point. DanTex Mar 2019 #38
It is odd when one's conscience leads one to enable a President who puts children in cages emulatorloo Mar 2019 #47
Screw him and Stein. And Turner. And all the other Trump enabling useful idiots. MrsCoffee Mar 2019 #98
Do you mean conscience? Tipperary Mar 2019 #102
What exactly are Cornell West's "core beliefs"? Has he ever actually articulated them? George II Mar 2019 #105
"Status quo"? Blue_true Mar 2019 #142
It's been 13 hours - your "crickets" guess was the correct one. George II Mar 2019 #145
You can call me Aladdin or send money to my unregistered bank account in Barbados. Blue_true Mar 2019 #149
Here is little more information about Cornell and his beliefs Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #165
He said, of Obama, "...the first black president has become the first niggerized black president" George II Mar 2019 #166
It wasn't just Obama, Cornell said the American Nation had become niggerized since 9/11 Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #167
I don't care much about everyone else, I care about how he had the gall to say that about Obama.... George II Mar 2019 #168
I hope you do care about everyone else because much of what Cornell said Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #170
A vote for stein was a vote for trump Gothmog Mar 2019 #57
A vote for Stein was a vote for Stein, a vote for Hillary was a vote for Hillary, and Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #60
Not in the real world Gothmog Mar 2019 #62
A vote for Nader was a vote for Nader, a vote for Gore was a vote for Gore and a Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #64
Which is why Karl Rove funded Nader Gothmog Mar 2019 #67
That's the beauty of Bernie's grass roots fundraising model COMBINED with Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #71
Except Rove's Crossroads group made commercials supporting Sanders before the Iowa Caucus emulatorloo Mar 2019 #79
Yes, that's definitely support from a PAC. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2019 #133
Yes. And as I understand it, National Nurses United is a PAC as well emulatorloo Mar 2019 #148
Really? Our Revolution is a classic dark money PAC Gothmog Mar 2019 #178
Crossroads GPS has run ads to help their favored non-GOP candidates since then. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2019 #132
Nader denialism rears it's ugly head redstateblues Mar 2019 #171
There were many factors which contributed to the coup of 2000 but I believe the preeminent one Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #173
Only one of two people on November 8, 2016 could possibly become president. Blue_true Mar 2019 #143
Idiot CW on BS & the maniac trump.. Cha Mar 2019 #137
Cornel West does NOT have a clue in his gd head. Cha Mar 2019 #150
This message was self-deleted by its author RandySF Mar 2019 #30
"Brother Bernie and Brother Trump are authentic human beings" RandySF Mar 2019 #32
Boom. sheshe2 Mar 2019 #41
Yep. Tipperary Mar 2019 #107
Great find. The comparisons were unmistakeable then R B Garr Mar 2019 #45
Wow. If anyone thinks West is credible, that should kill it. MH1 Mar 2019 #138
Where did the OP go. Saw zero response to your post. Blue_true Mar 2019 #144
Another Trump enabler on team Sanders. WeekiWater Mar 2019 #36
Susan. sheshe2 Mar 2019 #43
Cornel West on Obama: "The First Black President Has Become The First Niggerized Black President" RandySF Mar 2019 #37
Cornel West: "Brother Bernie and Brother Trump are authentic human beings" emulatorloo Mar 2019 #42
If there was one statement Cornel pulled out of his ass, that was it. oasis Mar 2019 #54
He pulls 95% of what he says out of his ass. Blue_true Mar 2019 #146
For the life of me I don't understand why..... George II Mar 2019 #46
Hm sheshe2 Mar 2019 #82
Indeed, and the silence is deafening. Amirite? George II Mar 2019 #84
You are right, George. sheshe2 Mar 2019 #87
He's an Ivy League professor BannonsLiver Mar 2019 #94
An endorsement by a non-Democrat is meaningless to me. nt TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #49
He's a Stein-loving/Stein-voting idiot... just like Susan Fucking Sarandon. NurseJackie Mar 2019 #50
Bernie is Stand Alone the Best Candidate Ron Fleishman Mar 2019 #51
Well, hey Ron! sheshe2 Mar 2019 #52
Welcome to D.U. Ron Fleishman. Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #55
Cornel showed up the Democratic Party's platform committee by oasis Mar 2019 #59
I have ZERO respect for anyone like him... NurseJackie Mar 2019 #117
Cornel West, Susan Sarandon and Nina Turner all share oasis Mar 2019 #120
troika of morons if the Democrats even let the near they are crazy. Historic NY Mar 2019 #126
Two stein supporters on team sanders Gothmog Mar 2019 #61
Good, hopefully we will get more of them and the Democrats will take back the White House. Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #63
Many people do not share your opinion Gothmog Mar 2019 #65
Well everyone is entitled to their opinion just as everyone is entitled to their own vote. n/t Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #66
Yes, just as the idiot Cornel West is entitled to his "opinion".. Cha Mar 2019 #151
Whatever you think of Cornell's political views, he's not an idiot. Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #158
YES he fucking IS. Cha Mar 2019 #159
"Authentic" leaves empty holes. fleabiscuit Mar 2019 #161
Authentic as in they tell you who they Cha Mar 2019 #175
I guess the question is if Sanders doesn't get the nomination then what will they do? Stein... George II Mar 2019 #68
I suppose that largely depends on who does get the nomination? Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #69
That didn't happen in 2016? I suppose I shouldn't ask this but...did Clinton "motivate" you? George II Mar 2019 #70
Good question. nt sheshe2 Mar 2019 #72
That didn't happen in 2016 with tens of millions of Americans as has been the case for too long. Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #73
So then, who did you vote for, or did you stay home? George II Mar 2019 #74
I voted for Hillary. Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #75
Sorry the most admired woman for 16 years in a row didn't "motivate" you. George II Mar 2019 #77
I get motivated by the message that helps the greatest number of Americans Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #78
Messages are one thing, accomplishments are another thing altogether. C'est la vie. George II Mar 2019 #80
Hillary was working with CDF knocking on doors to help children of color in MS in '73. ehrnst Mar 2019 #112
She was pounding the pavement when some were still looking for their "inner selves". George II Mar 2019 #113
Well sheshe2 Mar 2019 #86
Same here workinclasszero Mar 2019 #95
This message was self-deleted by its author lapucelle Mar 2019 #100
This message was self-deleted by its author lapucelle Mar 2019 #101
Why is Sanders different from other "PAC funded pols?" (nt) ehrnst Mar 2019 #115
Because his "PAC" are his voters workinclasszero Mar 2019 #125
Harris, Gillibrand, Booker & Warren are also not accepting money from corporate PACs. ehrnst Mar 2019 #129
I don't consider unions a PAC per se workinclasszero Mar 2019 #130
Whether you consider them PACs or not, they are PACs, as per campaign finance law ehrnst Mar 2019 #131
I don't "trust" BS. Or that idiot Cornel West. Cha Mar 2019 #154
That's fine Cha workinclasszero Mar 2019 #162
Yeah, I noticed. I Don't Trust BS. Cha Mar 2019 #177
But isn't voting for any Dem nominee that isn't Bernie going "by half-measures" ehrnst Mar 2019 #179
I always support the most left candidate in the primary and the Dem nominee in the general emulatorloo Mar 2019 #85
+1000 sheshe2 Mar 2019 #89
Susan Sarandon and Cornel West and Michael Moore should be as wise and thoughtful as you. NurseJackie Mar 2019 #118
Oh, I am motivated now, and you recommended your own OP just motivated me more still_one Mar 2019 #90
Dems support the Dem nominee. Hillary motivated me, and was certainly trustworthy. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2019 #116
This message was self-deleted by its author still_one Mar 2019 #76
Obviously Cornel West is telling those who supported Hillary to go to hell. Let's see how well that still_one Mar 2019 #81
Yet another reason Bernie is at the bottom of my 'Top 40'. comradebillyboy Mar 2019 #91
Bernie & Our Revolution featuring Nina Turner and Cornel West, the reunion tour! betsuni Mar 2019 #93
Getting the band back together! Don't forget Sarandon redstateblues Mar 2019 #172
No kidding! Cha Mar 2019 #180
Accepting this endorsement is a thumb in the eye to Democratic loyalists. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #92
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2019 #97
He became irrelevant after his screeds against Obama. MrsCoffee Mar 2019 #99
"Arch villain?" ehrnst Mar 2019 #111
That is one big straw man. Was there an "accidental" fire at some point? nt Blue_true Mar 2019 #147
That is the Best Stawman, ehrnst! Cha Mar 2019 #176
That should move the needle. democratisphere Mar 2019 #106
What? Soxfan58 Mar 2019 #108
I think it's funny that people think this helps Sanders... SidDithers Mar 2019 #109
It's Hilarous! Cha Mar 2019 #155
... LexVegas Mar 2019 #110
I am sorry, but after the way Dr. Cornell West went after President Obama Peacetrain Mar 2019 #114
Exactly themaguffin Mar 2019 #127
A proud Jill Stein supporter. NT Adrahil Mar 2019 #122
No surprise there NastyRiffraff Mar 2019 #123
Cornel West's endorsement is pretty much the kiss-of-death... NurseJackie Mar 2019 #135
Yeah, well he can forget about... dubyadiprecession Mar 2019 #128
Well, OK, then... MineralMan Mar 2019 #134
Cornel West is an Idiot. Cha Mar 2019 #136
He endorsed BS last time, so this is no surprise. nt pnwmom Mar 2019 #152
One cranky old man endorses another cranky old man. nycbos Mar 2019 #156
Cornel West is beyond "cranky".. Cha Mar 2019 #160
Another reason for me to vote radical noodle Mar 2019 #163
Hmmm, that's catchy - "ABS"!! George II Mar 2019 #169
There could be a group radical noodle Mar 2019 #174
Or NoBS nt forklift Mar 2019 #181
 

BannonsLiver

(16,470 posts)
1. Another great reason to vote for someone else
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 08:15 PM
Mar 2019
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GWC58

(2,678 posts)
96. Sanders does
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 05:00 AM
Mar 2019

not have my vote. Not in the primaries, anyway. The general would be another story. 🤔

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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
139. Cornell West is a wannabe radical frozen in amber.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 08:22 PM
Mar 2019

Please don't let anyone play with his DNA, we will have a Jurassic park recap.

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Renew Deal

(81,877 posts)
3. Makes sense. They both hate Obama
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 08:19 PM
Mar 2019
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sacto95834

(393 posts)
11. As Yoda said...
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 08:43 PM
Mar 2019

...Fear leads to Anger. Anger leads to Hate. Hate leads to suffering.....

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BooScout

(10,406 posts)
5. Am I supposed to be impressed by this?
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 08:21 PM
Mar 2019
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sheshe2

(83,933 posts)
6. West went on to endorse Stein.
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 08:26 PM
Mar 2019
https://www.npr.org/2018/08/11/637665414/a-year-after-charlottesville-not-much-has-changed-for-trump

"This November, we need change. Yet we are tied in a choice between [Donald] Trump, who would be a neo-fascist catastrophe, and Clinton, a neo-liberal disaster," wrote West. "That’s why I am supporting Jill Stein. I am with her – the only progressive woman in the race.”
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MH1

(17,608 posts)
16. Ugh.
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 09:02 PM
Mar 2019

Yeah, Cornel West isn't an endorsement that would help convince me to support Sanders.

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sheshe2

(83,933 posts)
17. Yep.
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 09:59 PM
Mar 2019

He also hated our first black President with a passion. Called him the first 'niggerized president'.

Back to Videos
Cornel West on Obama: "The First Black President Has Become The First Niggerized Black President"


"Too many black people are niggerized," West said Monday on CNN. "I would say the first black president has become the first niggerized black president."

"A niggerized black person is a black person who is afraid and scared and intimidated when it comes to putting a spotlight on white supremacy and fighting against white supremacy," West explained. "So when many of us said we have to fight against racism, what were we told? 'No, he can't deal with racism because he has other issues, political calculations. He's the president of all America, not just black America.' We know he's president of all America but white supremacy is American as cherry pie."


https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/06/22/cornel_west_on_obama_the_first_black_president_has_become_the_first_niggerized_black_president.html

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George II

(67,782 posts)
23. "A niggerized black person is a black person who.....
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 10:15 PM
Mar 2019

.....is afraid and scared and intimidated when it comes to putting a spotlight on white supremacy and fighting against white supremacy...."

So he says that about Obama and then he helps ELECT a white supremacist!!!

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sheshe2

(83,933 posts)
35. Sad, isn't it, George.
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 10:32 PM
Mar 2019

Then there was this.

Cornel West's Continuing Feud with Barack Obama

"Black puppet" and "black mascot" are in keeping with West's anthology of insults

snip

According to West himself, President Obama betrayed him on two counts after his election. The first was personal. It all started with a mix-up over inauguration tickets. Obama became increasingly hard to track down after his election but came through with a ticket for West. Tickets for West's mother and brother were nowhere to be found, and the three ended up watching the event from their hotel room. West told Hedges:

What it said to me on a personal level was that brother Barack Obama had no sense of gratitude, no sense of loyalty, no sense of even courtesy, [no] sense of decency, just to say thank you. Is this the kind of manipulative, Machiavellian orientation we ought to get used to? That was on a personal level.

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/05/cornel-wests-continuing-feud-barack-obama/350794/

'The president was hard to track down after his election.' I know, he hadn't been sworn in yet, but could CW put his hurt feelings about tickets aside and see something other than himself? We were on the brink of a great depression. Pretty sure Obama was prepping before he took office.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
104. Does THIS look like "a black person who is afraid and scared and intimidated"????
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 07:26 AM
Mar 2019
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allgood33

(1,584 posts)
121. I thought of this photo immediately. Thanks for posting.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 12:29 PM
Mar 2019
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George II

(67,782 posts)
21. BOOM! This is looking like Deja Vu all over again.
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 10:13 PM
Mar 2019
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Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
103. It sure is.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 07:20 AM
Mar 2019

Unreal.

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TwilightZone

(25,485 posts)
7. You rec'd your own post?
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 08:33 PM
Mar 2019

I had no idea we could even do that.

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Uncle Joe

(58,426 posts)
8. I rec about 98% of my posts.
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 08:34 PM
Mar 2019


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TwilightZone

(25,485 posts)
9. I guess you have a high opinion of yourself.
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 08:36 PM
Mar 2019

Enjoy.

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Uncle Joe

(58,426 posts)
10. I have a high opinion of the OPs that I post here at D.U. or I wouldn't post them.
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 08:38 PM
Mar 2019

So why not rec my own posts?

Peace to you.

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sheshe2

(83,933 posts)
12. As I posted above, West went on to endorse third party. nt
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 08:43 PM
Mar 2019
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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,123 posts)
31. As you should... your posts are that good!!
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 10:29 PM
Mar 2019

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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Maven

(10,533 posts)
13. LOL!
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 08:55 PM
Mar 2019

Has Sarandon's endorsement come in yet?

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sheshe2

(83,933 posts)
15. Soon I am sure.
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 08:57 PM
Mar 2019
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Gothmog

(145,619 posts)
56. It is only a matter of time
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 12:00 AM
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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
140. I hear that Susan is holding out for the four horsemen of the Apocalypse. nt
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 08:39 PM
Mar 2019
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PupCamo

(288 posts)
153. LOL
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 11:38 PM
Mar 2019

she's still waiting to see if Nader jumps in

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forklift

(401 posts)
14. Shockingly unbelievable
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 08:57 PM
Mar 2019

I'm flabbergasted.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
20. Let me correct that for you - you should have said "shockingly BE-lievable"!
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 10:08 PM
Mar 2019
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forklift

(401 posts)
22. I was obviously being facetious.
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 10:13 PM
Mar 2019

I thought the smilie was unnecessary.

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Devil Child

(2,728 posts)
18. K&R!
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 10:04 PM
Mar 2019

Thanks for the update Uncle Joe, appreciate your posts.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
19. Not sure, but didn't he vote for Jill Stein in 2016 too?
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 10:07 PM
Mar 2019
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forklift

(401 posts)
25. He endorsed Stein and campaigned for her
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 10:20 PM
Mar 2019

Nina Turner as well.

What galls me is their meme of "There is no difference between Clinton and Trump."

That line should be disqualifying for even a job of a dog-catcher as it shows a complete lack of judgment and logical reasoning.

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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
24. Is this supposed to be a good thing? Cornel West was pro-Trump in the 2016 general election.
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 10:16 PM
Mar 2019
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Uncle Joe

(58,426 posts)
26. That's false.
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 10:22 PM
Mar 2019





Cornel West on Donald Trump: This is What Neo-Fascism Looks Like


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George II

(67,782 posts)
27. He voted for Jill Stein. Essentially the same thing.
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 10:23 PM
Mar 2019
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Uncle Joe

(58,426 posts)
29. You couldn't be more wrong, those are two entirely different things.
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 10:24 PM
Mar 2019
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sheshe2

(83,933 posts)
39. No.
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 10:47 PM
Mar 2019

It is not. This is Democratic Underground. It does not recognize or welcome third party voters.

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Uncle Joe

(58,426 posts)
44. Sure it does, DU welcomes pretty much anyone so long as they promote
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 11:03 PM
Mar 2019

the Democratic Party.

It would be ludicrous at best and politically suicidal for the Democratic Party not to welcome former Republicans, Independents, Green Party etc. etc. so long they adhere to the core Democratic Party principles.

People change and evolve as do circumstances and not everyone gets to the same place at the same time.

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sheshe2

(83,933 posts)
48. Democrats voting and endorsing third party...
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 11:14 PM
Mar 2019

Last edited Fri Mar 8, 2019, 12:03 AM - Edit history (1)

Is far different than welcoming in converts that change and evolve. My Senator Warren proves that point and changed parties in her 40's. She has proven to be a solid Democrat and a true leader in our party. I have met and talked with her, she is awesome.

Uncle Joe

44. Sure it does, DU welcomes pretty much anyone so long as they promote the Democratic Party.

It would be ludicrous at best and politically suicidal for the Democratic Party not to welcome former Republicans, Independents, Green Party etc. etc. so long they adhere to the core Democratic Party principles.


Never said we shouldn't accept converts. See my statement above. So, what do we do when a Democrat turns and votes third party?

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Uncle Joe

(58,426 posts)
53. I don't know, it depends on the circumstances.
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 11:56 PM
Mar 2019


Never said we should accept converts. See my statement above. So, what do we do when a Democrat turns and votes third party?



I'm guessing you meant to say 'Never said we "shouldn't" accept converts.'

As to your question.

Is it an isolated case or a large number of voters?

What is or are the motivations for Democrat (s) to be so disaffected as to vote third party?

Either the person changes, the party does or a little of both depending on all manner of circumstances.

In the case of 2016 the Democratic Party changed, I believe for the better but there is no quick or easy answer to your question.

In the case of Cornell West; he is endorsing Democrat Bernie Sanders for President.



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sheshe2

(83,933 posts)
88. Interesting post.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 01:48 AM
Mar 2019

Democrat.


PS. Thanks I edited my post.

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themaguffin

(3,826 posts)
124. Especially another Putin plant
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 01:49 PM
Mar 2019
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Gothmog

(145,619 posts)
58. How? A vote for stein was a vote for putin and trump
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 12:02 AM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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MH1

(17,608 posts)
119. No. A public persona supporting Stein rather than Clinton in 2016
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 11:59 AM
Mar 2019

was equivalent to supporting Trump.

ESPECIALLY when that persona was a well-known, vocal supporter of Sanders, who then vocally supported "not Clinton" at a time it was crucial to defeat Trump.

(I will agree that in a non-swing state, a vote for third party was NOT the same as a vote for Trump. It's not the vote here, it's the vocal support that matters, the vocal rejection of Clinton as the anti-Trump that we needed.)

The damage Trump has done is irreparable, at least for a very long time, and in some cases forever.

West's endorsement should be considered poison. He needs to go away. If anything, speak out about how deluded and tragically wrong he was in 2016 (then still shut up about presidential politics, he has no credibility there).

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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
141. How is that?
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 08:44 PM
Mar 2019

Only one of two people on the ballot in November 2016 could possibly become president. Cornell West campaigned to take votes from one of them. Cornell West hence is either a knowing idiot or a complete damned fool.

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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
28. It's true. He endorsed Jill Stein, which is a obvious, direct, and intentional pro-Trump action.
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 10:24 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Uncle Joe

(58,426 posts)
33. Cornell followed his conscious, after the Democratic Primaries, Stein was the only
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 10:29 PM
Mar 2019

political leader left standing that was in tune with his core beliefs.

Since 2016, the Democratic Party has done some serious soul searching in reaching out to the tens of millions of Americans that felt alienated or disenfranchised from the status quo.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
38. Yup. His conscience told him to help Trump become president. That's my point.
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 10:37 PM
Mar 2019
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emulatorloo

(44,187 posts)
47. It is odd when one's conscience leads one to enable a President who puts children in cages
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 11:12 PM
Mar 2019

West has exhibited very very poor judgement.

I really don’t believe this endorsement is a positive for Senator Sanders this time.

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MrsCoffee

(5,803 posts)
98. Screw him and Stein. And Turner. And all the other Trump enabling useful idiots.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 07:00 AM
Mar 2019
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Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
102. Do you mean conscience?
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 07:18 AM
Mar 2019

Yikes.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
105. What exactly are Cornell West's "core beliefs"? Has he ever actually articulated them?
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 07:33 AM
Mar 2019

As far as I'm concerned, anyone who did not support the Democratic nominee in 2016, and contributed to the horror we have today in the white house, has no business telling OUR Democratic Party what they should do or say.

I see the term you used mentioned all the time - what exactly is your definition of "status quo"? And why is it so bad?

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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
142. "Status quo"?
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 08:55 PM
Mar 2019

My guess is the answers to your question will be crickets or a long spew of word salad, with a little oligarch thrown in for flavor.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
145. It's been 13 hours - your "crickets" guess was the correct one.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 09:03 PM
Mar 2019
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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
149. You can call me Aladdin or send money to my unregistered bank account in Barbados.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 10:16 PM
Mar 2019

Either one works fine with me.

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Uncle Joe

(58,426 posts)
165. Here is little more information about Cornell and his beliefs
Sat Mar 9, 2019, 12:28 AM
Mar 2019


In 1970, at age 17, West entered Harvard University on a scholarship. He graduated magna cum laude three years later with a bachelor’s degree in Middle Eastern languages and literature. He attended graduate school in philosophy at Princeton University, where he was influenced by the American pragmatist philosopher Richard Rorty. (West briefly abandoned work on his dissertation to write a novel, which was never published.) After receiving his doctoral degree in 1980, West taught philosophy, religion, and African American studies at several colleges and universities, including Union Theological Seminary, Yale University (including the Yale Divinity School), the University of Paris, Princeton University, and Harvard University, where he was appointed Alphonse Fletcher, Jr., University Professor in 1998. He returned to Princeton in 2002 as Class of 1943 University Professor in the Center for African American Studies.

West’s work was characteristically wide-ranging, eclectic, original, and provocative. His several books analyzing issues of race, class, and justice or tracing the history of philosophy typically combined a political perspective based on democratic socialism (see social democracy), a Christian moral sensibility, and a philosophical orientation informed by the tradition of American pragmatism. His best-known work, Race Matters, a collection of essays, was published exactly one year after the start of riots in Los Angeles that were sparked by the acquittal of four white policemen on charges of aggravated assault in the beating of Rodney King, an African American motorist. The book discussed the pervasive despair and “nihilism” of African Americans in poverty and criticized African American leaders for pursuing strategies that West believed were shortsighted, narrow-minded, or self-serving. West also considered issues such as black-Jewish relations, the renewed popularity of Malcolm X, and the significance of the Los Angeles riots themselves.

West was always a political activist as well as an academic, and he did not hesitate to participate in demonstrations or to lend his name or presence to causes he felt were just. At times his activism created tensions with the administrations of the universities where he taught. In 2001 the new Harvard University president, Lawrence Summers, reportedly admonished West in private for devoting too much time to political activity and other extracurricular pursuits. Their dispute was soon joined by supporters and detractors of West both inside and outside the academy, who debated not only the merits of West’s scholarship but also the commitment of Summers and Harvard to affirmative action programs. Eventually West resigned his position at Harvard and moved to Princeton.

West’s other works include The American Evasion of Philosophy: A Genealogy of Pragmatism (1989), The Ethical Dimensions of Marxist Thought (1991), Beyond Eurocentrism and Multiculturalism (1993), Democracy Matters: Winning the Fight Against Imperialism (2004), and (with David Ritz) Brother West: Living and Loving Out Loud: A Memoir (2009). He also recorded a hip-hop-like spoken-word album, Sketches of My Culture (2001), and a collection of spoken-word and music, Never Forget: A Journey of Revelations (2007). In 2003 he appeared as the character Councillor West in the popular movies The Matrix Reloaded and The Matrix Revolutions.

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Cornel-West




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George II

(67,782 posts)
166. He said, of Obama, "...the first black president has become the first niggerized black president"
Sat Mar 9, 2019, 12:33 AM
Mar 2019
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Uncle Joe

(58,426 posts)
167. It wasn't just Obama, Cornell said the American Nation had become niggerized since 9/11
Sat Mar 9, 2019, 12:39 AM
Mar 2019


“I call it the niggerization of a people, not just black people, because America been niggerized since 9/11. When you’re niggerized, you’re unsafe, unprotected, subject to random violence, hated for who you are. You become so scared that you defer to the powers that be, and you’re willing to consent to your own domination. And that’s the history of black people in America. That’s the history of black people in America.” –Cornel West visits Riverside Church in New York (2011)

(snip)

https://rollingout.com/2015/06/22/cornel-west-attacks-president-obama-1st-niggerized-president/



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George II

(67,782 posts)
168. I don't care much about everyone else, I care about how he had the gall to say that about Obama....
Sat Mar 9, 2019, 12:43 AM
Mar 2019

....he lost all credibility when he said that.

Sanders should renounce Cornell West's endorsement immediately.

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Uncle Joe

(58,426 posts)
170. I hope you do care about everyone else because much of what Cornell said
Sat Mar 9, 2019, 12:47 AM
Mar 2019

about the nation since 9/11 has been true.

The most powerful nation on the planet and we lost it, I believe to a form of national PTSD.

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Gothmog

(145,619 posts)
57. A vote for stein was a vote for trump
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 12:01 AM
Mar 2019
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Uncle Joe

(58,426 posts)
60. A vote for Stein was a vote for Stein, a vote for Hillary was a vote for Hillary, and
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 12:03 AM
Mar 2019

a vote for Trump was a vote for Trump.

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Gothmog

(145,619 posts)
62. Not in the real world
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 12:04 AM
Mar 2019

BTW, a vote for Nader was also a vote for Bush

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Uncle Joe

(58,426 posts)
64. A vote for Nader was a vote for Nader, a vote for Gore was a vote for Gore and a
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 12:06 AM
Mar 2019

vote for Bush was a vote for Bush.

P.S. Except for the Gore voters that marked Pat Buchanan by mistake on the "Where's Waldo" butterfly ballot.

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Gothmog

(145,619 posts)
67. Which is why Karl Rove funded Nader
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 12:14 AM
Mar 2019

I will never forgive nader Rove funded Nader in 2000 and 2004 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-zuesse/ralph-nader-was-indispens_b_4235065.html


Furthermore, Karl Rove and the Republican Party knew this, and so they nurtured and crucially assisted Nader’s campaigns, both in 2000 and in 2004. On 27 October 2000, the AP’s Laura Meckler headlined “GOP Group To Air Pro-Nader TV Ads.” She opened: “Hoping to boost Ralph Nader in states where he is threatening to hurt Al Gore, a Republican group is launching TV ads featuring Nader attacking the vice president [Mr. Gore]. ... ‘Al Gore is suffering from election year delusion if he thinks his record on the environment is anything to be proud of,’ Nader says [in the commercial]. An announcer interjects: ‘What’s Al Gore’s real record?’ Nader says: ‘Eight years of principles betrayed and promises broken.’” Meckler’s report continued: “A spokeswoman for the Green Party nominee said that his campaign had no control over what other organizations do with Nader’s speeches.” Bush’s people - the group sponsoring this particular ad happened to be the Republican Leadership Council - knew exactly what they were doing, even though the liberal suckers who voted so carelessly for Ralph Nader obviously did not. Anyone who drives a car the way those liberal fools voted, faces charges of criminal negligence, at the very least. But this time, the entire nation crashed as a result; not merely a single car.....

On July 9th, the San Francisco Chronicle headlined “GOP Doners Funding Nader: Bush Supporters Give Independent’s Bid a Financial Lift,” and reported that the Nader campaign “has received a recent windfall of contributions from deep-pocketed Republicans with a history of big contributions to the party,” according to “an analysis of federal records.” Perhaps these contributors were Ambassador Egan’s other friends. Mr. Egan’s wife was now listed among the Nader contributors. Another listed was “Nijad Fares, a Houston businessman, who donated $200,000 to the Bush inaugural committee and who donated $2,000 each to the Nader effort and the Bush campaign this year.” Furthermore, Ari Berman reported 7 October 2004 at the Nation, under “Swift Boat Veterans for Nader,” that some major right-wing funders of a Republican smear campaign against Senator John Kerry’s Vietnam service contributed also $13,500 to the Nader campaign, and that “the Republican Party of Michigan gathered ninety percent of Nader’s signatures in their state” (90%!) to place Nader on the ballot so Bush could win that swing state’s 17 electoral votes. Clearly, the word had gone out to Bush’s big contributors: Help Ralphie boy! In fact, on 15 September 2005, John DiStaso of the Manchester Union-Leader, reported that, “A year ago, as the Presidential general election campaign raged in battleground state New Hampshire, consumer advocate Ralph Nader found his way onto the ballot, with the help of veteran Republican strategist David Carney and the Carney-owned Norway Hill Associates consulting firm.”

It was obvious, based upon the 2000 election results, that a dollar contributed to Nader in the 2004 contest would probably be a more effective way to achieve a Bush win against Kerry in the U.S. Presidential election than were perhaps even ten dollars contributed to Bush. This was a way of peeling crucial votes off from Bush’s real opponent - votes that otherwise would have gone to the Democrat. That’s why the smartest Republican money in the 2004 Presidential election was actually going to Nader, even more so than to Bush himself: these indirect Bush contributions provided by far the biggest bang for the right-wing buck.

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Uncle Joe

(58,426 posts)
71. That's the beauty of Bernie's grass roots fundraising model COMBINED with
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 12:21 AM
Mar 2019

his message, one wouldn't do well without the other.

The flame throwing Ivory Tower Republicans won't stand a chance in 2020.



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emulatorloo

(44,187 posts)
79. Except Rove's Crossroads group made commercials supporting Sanders before the Iowa Caucus
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 12:44 AM
Mar 2019

Full of lies, half truths and false smears



<bad link hang on>

Those are only two of the ads Rove did to support Bernie

———

See also this:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/bernie-sanderss-conservative-fanboys

Bernie Sanders’s Conservative Fanboys
No, Karl Rove’s super PAC and other conservative groups haven’t suddenly embraced a $15 minimum wage. But they’re running ads that help him in an effort to weaken Hillary Clinton.
Jackie Kucinich
02.23.16 12:01 AM ET

<snip>


In the wake of Clinton’s close Nevada win, Crossroads claimed credit for driving her numbers down in favor of Sanders.

“[Karl Rove’s] American Crossroads and Bernie Sanders helped Nevada caucus-goers see right through Hillary Clinton’s manufactured zeal on immigration reform after spewing virulent Trump-like rhetoric—and that one-two punch shaved Clinton’s 50-point lead a year ago to a slim, single digit win,” Steven Law, Crossroads CEO and president, said in a statement.

Crossroads is one of several [Republican] groups that has released ads that have been aimed at branding Sanders as the only true progressive in the race—a strategy the Vermont senator’s campaign also embraces.

“If it helps push the needle so that she loses a state, and she comes out a weakened candidate, then fantastic,” said Ian Prior, communications director for [Karl Rove’s] Crossroads.

<snip>



I think we can expect similar in 2020.

————


By the way, Our Revolution is set up in a way that they can take very large donations, but do not have to reveal their donors.

I know they are a good organization, and until Citizens United is repealed I understand that such groups are necessary.

However it isn’t necessary a totally grass roots funded organization. They do not have to reveal the names of their donors.
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
133. Yes, that's definitely support from a PAC. (nt)
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 02:58 PM
Mar 2019
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emulatorloo

(44,187 posts)
148. Yes. And as I understand it, National Nurses United is a PAC as well
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 09:45 PM
Mar 2019
Nurses Endorse Sen. Bernie Sanders for President
https://www.nationalnursesunited.org/press/nurses-endorse-sen-bernie-sanders-president

FWIW RoseAnn DeMoro in 2017:

https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2017/01/political-powerful-nurses-union-head-im-counting-on-trump-for-real-health-care-reform-108511

Head of nurses union 'counting on' Trump for single-payer system
By CARLA MARINUCCI 01/05/2017 10:04 PM EST

OAKLAND — As Washington grapples with health care policy again, the head of the 185,000-member National Nurses United is turning her attention to a seemingly unlikely advocate for a single-payer system. "The one I’m counting on the most is Trump,” RoseAnn DeMoro said,

DeMoro, who serves as executive director of both the Oakland-based National Nurses United and the California Nurses Association, told POLITICO California on Thursday that she is “disgusted” with Democrats like House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and believes that the president-elect may actually get action.

“He’s a businessman, he has an international perspective — and his wife comes from a country where they have single payer,’’ said DeMoro, who also is an AFL-CIO national vice president and executive board member. “I think that Donald Trump is not about either party; he’s about something very different. He’s the one who can actually rise above this and do what’s right, and he knows as a businessman, it’s the most cost effective,’’ she said.

And, she noted, Trump already has signaled to GOP party leaders that he’s willing to buck them on issues like ethics and the TransPacific Partnership.

<much more at link>

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Gothmog

(145,619 posts)
178. Really? Our Revolution is a classic dark money PAC
Sat Mar 9, 2019, 02:22 AM
Mar 2019
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
132. Crossroads GPS has run ads to help their favored non-GOP candidates since then. (nt)
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 02:57 PM
Mar 2019
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redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
171. Nader denialism rears it's ugly head
Sat Mar 9, 2019, 12:52 AM
Mar 2019
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Uncle Joe

(58,426 posts)
173. There were many factors which contributed to the coup of 2000 but I believe the preeminent one
Sat Mar 9, 2019, 01:03 AM
Mar 2019

being the corporate media conglomerates by far.

They certainly had the motivation, Al helped to bring about the creation (via legislative means) which most threatened their bottom line and that's what it's all about with them.

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Undecided
 

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
143. Only one of two people on November 8, 2016 could possibly become president.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 08:57 PM
Mar 2019

A vote for Stein or a writein for Bernie was not only a wasted vote, it helped elect Trump as the poster said.

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Cha

(297,733 posts)
137. Idiot CW on BS & the maniac trump..
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 06:28 PM
Mar 2019
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Cha

(297,733 posts)
150. Cornel West does NOT have a clue in his gd head.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 11:33 PM
Mar 2019
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Response to Uncle Joe (Original post)

 

RandySF

(59,279 posts)
32. "Brother Bernie and Brother Trump are authentic human beings"
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 10:29 PM
Mar 2019
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sheshe2

(83,933 posts)
41. Boom.
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 10:55 PM
Mar 2019

Right there. Clear as day.

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R B Garr

(16,990 posts)
45. Great find. The comparisons were unmistakeable then
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 11:04 PM
Mar 2019

and now. SMH

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MH1

(17,608 posts)
138. Wow. If anyone thinks West is credible, that should kill it.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 06:40 PM
Mar 2019

I already knew better, but that's a pretty damning tweet for anyone who is still hanging on to some illusion that West has any political credibility.

Cornel West may have some good intentions on racial justice, but day-um he is out of touch.

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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
144. Where did the OP go. Saw zero response to your post.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 09:02 PM
Mar 2019

It was rather clear as day that if West could not have Bernie elected, he was perfectly fine with Trump winning.

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WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
36. Another Trump enabler on team Sanders.
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 10:32 PM
Mar 2019

Sanders base is going to be really excited whe HA Goodman comes back home to brother Bernie.

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sheshe2

(83,933 posts)
43. Susan.
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 10:59 PM
Mar 2019

Don't forget about Susan.

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RandySF

(59,279 posts)
37. Cornel West on Obama: "The First Black President Has Become The First Niggerized Black President"
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 10:33 PM
Mar 2019

CORNEL WEST: You can't talk about wealth and inequality, you can't talk about education, you can't talk about massive unemployment and under employment and you can't talk about drones being dropped on people in other parts of the world without talking about white supremacy and its ways in which it operates. It doesn't have to be overt. The president is right about that.

But too many black people are niggerized. I would say the first black president has become the first niggerized black president.

CNN ANCHOR: What do you mean by that?

WEST: A niggerized black person is a black person who is afraid and scared and intimidated when it comes to putting a spotlight on white supremacy and fighting against white supremacy. So when many of us said we have to fight against racism, what were we told? 'No, he can't deal with racism because he has other issues, political calculations. He's the president of all America, not just black America.' We know he's president of all America but white supremacy is American as cherry pie.

We're talking about moral issues, spiritual issues, emotional issues. White supremacy has nothing to do with just skin pigmentation, it has to be what kind of person you want to be, what kind of nation we want to be. Democrats and Republicans play on both of those parties in terms of running away from the vicious legacy of white supremacy until it hits us hard. Thank God for Ferguson. Thank God for the young folk of all colors. Thank God for Staten Island and fighting there. Thank God in Baltimore, now the precious folk in Charleston.



https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/06/22/cornel_west_on_obama_the_first_black_president_has_become_the_first_niggerized_black_president.html

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emulatorloo

(44,187 posts)
42. Cornel West: "Brother Bernie and Brother Trump are authentic human beings"
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 10:58 PM
Mar 2019



“Brother Bernie and Brother Trump are authentic human beings in stark contrast to their donor-driven opponents.”

Yeah, Brother Trump is so “authentic” <sarcasm>

West has a serious judgement problem.

On Edit: Randy I hadn’t seen you had posted this upthread. Probably bears repeating though.
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oasis

(49,410 posts)
54. If there was one statement Cornel pulled out of his ass, that was it.
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 11:57 PM
Mar 2019
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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
146. He pulls 95% of what he says out of his ass.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 09:14 PM
Mar 2019

I have listened to the guy, he is one of the most clueless people that I can imagine, he just covers up the foolishness with words.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
46. For the life of me I don't understand why.....
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 11:09 PM
Mar 2019

....the endorsement by a man who spent eight years insulting President Barack Obama every chance he got and then wound up endorsing and voting for Jill Stein in the 2016 election is something to crow about.

What exactly are Cornell West's credentials anyway?

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sheshe2

(83,933 posts)
82. Hm
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 12:59 AM
Mar 2019
What exactly are Cornell West's credentials anyway?


I know, yet cannot say here.
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George II

(67,782 posts)
84. Indeed, and the silence is deafening. Amirite?
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 01:06 AM
Mar 2019
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sheshe2

(83,933 posts)
87. You are right, George.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 01:28 AM
Mar 2019

Deafening silence. No problem, we all get it.

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BannonsLiver

(16,470 posts)
94. He's an Ivy League professor
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 04:18 AM
Mar 2019

One of many. He’s damn sure no Michael Eric Dyson, who has been a rival of West’s for some time, and who is an insightful and eloquent intellectual.

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TexasTowelie

(112,456 posts)
49. An endorsement by a non-Democrat is meaningless to me. nt
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 11:22 PM
Mar 2019
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NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
50. He's a Stein-loving/Stein-voting idiot... just like Susan Fucking Sarandon.
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 11:32 PM
Mar 2019

His vote helped to put Trump in office.

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Ron Fleishman

(14 posts)
51. Bernie is Stand Alone the Best Candidate
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 11:45 PM
Mar 2019

I think we can trust Bernie the Most to bring America back to the people. He's been an activist for many years and has always stuck to his guns. They had to drag him out of the civil rights movement back in '63. Other Dems are running as progressives as well. I like them too, but I think out of the Group Bernie is the most immune to being bought out by Wall Street and Corporate Lobbyists.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

sheshe2

(83,933 posts)
52. Well, hey Ron!
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 11:50 PM
Mar 2019

Welcome to DU!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Uncle Joe

(58,426 posts)
55. Welcome to D.U. Ron Fleishman.
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 11:58 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

oasis

(49,410 posts)
59. Cornel showed up the Democratic Party's platform committee by
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 12:02 AM
Mar 2019

walking out after all the fuss was made to accommodate Bernie supporters on the same committee.

Can't say I have much respect for a guy like him.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
117. I have ZERO respect for anyone like him...
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 11:53 AM
Mar 2019

I have ZERO respect for anyone like him who supported and voted for Jill Fucking Stein. That was a vote that helped to benefit Trump and Russia.

He's as contemptible as Susan Fucking Sarandon for her supporting and voting for of Jill Fucking Stein.

He's as contemptible as Roger Fucking Moore for his supporting and voting for Ralph Fucking Nader.

Fuck him!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

oasis

(49,410 posts)
120. Cornel West, Susan Sarandon and Nina Turner all share
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 12:24 PM
Mar 2019

a role in Trump's contamination of the U.S. Supreme Court.

"Hillary=Trump" was a colossal lie they all pushed, knowing full well it was a LIE. A lie that will cause permanent damage to our nation for decades.

Unforgivable.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Historic NY

(37,453 posts)
126. troika of morons if the Democrats even let the near they are crazy.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 01:55 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,619 posts)
61. Two stein supporters on team sanders
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 12:03 AM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Uncle Joe

(58,426 posts)
63. Good, hopefully we will get more of them and the Democrats will take back the White House.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 12:05 AM
Mar 2019

Thanks for the addition Gothmog.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Gothmog

(145,619 posts)
65. Many people do not share your opinion
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 12:11 AM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Uncle Joe

(58,426 posts)
66. Well everyone is entitled to their opinion just as everyone is entitled to their own vote. n/t
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 12:13 AM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Cha

(297,733 posts)
151. Yes, just as the idiot Cornel West is entitled to his "opinion"..
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 11:36 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Uncle Joe

(58,426 posts)
158. Whatever you think of Cornell's political views, he's not an idiot.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 11:50 PM
Mar 2019


(snip)

In his late-20s, he returned to Harvard as a W. E. B. Du Bois Fellow before becoming an assistant professor at Union Theological Seminary in the City of New York. In 1984, he went to Yale Divinity School in what eventually became a joint appointment in American studies. While at Yale, he participated in campus protests for a clerical labor union and divestment from apartheid South Africa. One of the protests resulted in his being arrested and jailed. As punishment, the university administration canceled his leave for the spring term in 1987, leading him to commute from Yale in New Haven, Connecticut, where he was teaching two classes, across the Atlantic Ocean to the University of Paris.[14]

He then returned to Union Theological Seminary for one year before going to Princeton to become a professor of religion and director of the Program in African-American Studies from 1988 to 1994.[14] After Princeton, he accepted an appointment as professor of African-American studies at Harvard University, with a joint appointment at the Harvard Divinity School.[34] West taught one of the university's most popular courses, an introductory class on African-American studies.[35] In 1998, he was appointed the first Alphonse Fletcher University Professor.[36] West utilized this new position to teach in not only African-American studies, but also in divinity, religion, and philosophy.[34] West left Harvard after a widely publicized[37] dispute with then-President Lawrence Summers in 2002.[38] That year, West returned to Princeton, where he helped create "one of the world’s leading centers for African-American studies" according to Shirley Tilghman, Princeton's president in 2011.[39] In 2012, West left Princeton and returned to the institution where he began his teaching career, Union Theological Seminary.[40] His departure from Princeton, unlike his departure from Harvard, was quite amicable. As of 2017, he continues to teach occasional courses at Princeton in an emeritus capacity as the Class of 1943 University Professor in the Center for African American Studies.[41][39]

The recipient of more than 20 honorary degrees and an American Book Award,[13] he has written or contributed to over twenty published books. West is a long-time member of the Democratic Socialists of America, for which he now serves as an honorary chair.[14] He is also a co-founder of the Network of Spiritual Progressives.[42] West is on the advisory board of the International Bridges to Justice.[43]

In 2008, he received a special recognition from the World Cultural Council.[44]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornel_West


If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

Cha

(297,733 posts)
159. YES he fucking IS.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 11:53 PM
Mar 2019
Cornel West and Tavis Smiley do a disservice to African Americans

snip//

West has called Obama a "Rockefeller Republican in blackface" and both recently criticized Al Sharpton's support of the president as an example of him being "on the Obama's plantation".

These comments are made only more disappointing because they seem to come from a place of personal disdain, more than any desire to push an intelligent discussion. West has gone on record saying his initial rift with President Obama came from the fact that he couldn't get tickets for his family to go to the inauguration. Smiley threw a tantrum in 2008 when President Obama couldn't make his State of the Black Union event (also saying "no thanks" to a proposal to have Michelle Obama come in his place).

More..
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jul/26/cornel-west-tavis-smiley-disservice-african-americans
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

fleabiscuit

(4,542 posts)
161. "Authentic" leaves empty holes.
Sat Mar 9, 2019, 12:04 AM
Mar 2019

I could come up with several verbs that would tag "authentic human beings" as rotten SOBs. Preachers and pundits usually leave themselves with ways out.

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Cha

(297,733 posts)
175. Authentic as in they tell you who they
Sat Mar 9, 2019, 01:15 AM
Mar 2019

are if you pay attention.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
68. I guess the question is if Sanders doesn't get the nomination then what will they do? Stein...
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 12:14 AM
Mar 2019

...probably won't run again, will they vote for the Democratic nominee, will they vote for trump, or will they just stay home?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Uncle Joe

(58,426 posts)
69. I suppose that largely depends on who does get the nomination?
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 12:16 AM
Mar 2019

It's up to the candidate to motivate the people and trust in their message, not the other way around.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
70. That didn't happen in 2016? I suppose I shouldn't ask this but...did Clinton "motivate" you?
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 12:17 AM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Uncle Joe

(58,426 posts)
73. That didn't happen in 2016 with tens of millions of Americans as has been the case for too long.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 12:25 AM
Mar 2019

I hated Trump and everything he stands for just as I do today but Hillary did not motivate me and still doesn't.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
74. So then, who did you vote for, or did you stay home?
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 12:27 AM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Uncle Joe

(58,426 posts)
75. I voted for Hillary.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 12:29 AM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
77. Sorry the most admired woman for 16 years in a row didn't "motivate" you.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 12:40 AM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Uncle Joe

(58,426 posts)
78. I get motivated by the message that helps the greatest number of Americans
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 12:44 AM
Mar 2019

and I take into account how long has the messenger been promoting those policies.

Bernie won hands down on both.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
80. Messages are one thing, accomplishments are another thing altogether. C'est la vie.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 12:46 AM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
112. Hillary was working with CDF knocking on doors to help children of color in MS in '73.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 09:04 AM
Mar 2019

Others had moved to the rural countryside.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
113. She was pounding the pavement when some were still looking for their "inner selves".
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 09:17 AM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

sheshe2

(83,933 posts)
86. Well
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 01:26 AM
Mar 2019


Uncle Joe

78. I get motivated by the message that helps the greatest number of Americans

and I take into account how long has the messenger been promoting those policies.

Bernie won hands down on both.


I am motivated by this message and where it first began. No. Sorry. He may have won hands down for you, she won hands down for women and LGBT all over the world and has been doing it forever. Hillary was rocking the world since she became first lady. She still is.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
95. Same here
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 04:24 AM
Mar 2019

Not like the PUMA's

This time it's Bernie all the way for me. I don't trust any other PAC funded pol, period.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Response to workinclasszero (Reply #95)

Response to lapucelle (Reply #100)

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
115. Why is Sanders different from other "PAC funded pols?" (nt)
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 09:42 AM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
125. Because his "PAC" are his voters
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 01:51 PM
Mar 2019

These corporate PACs don’t give millions of dollars to candidates for the hell of it.

They expect the politicians to return the favor with legislation favorable to their interests.

And that’s exactly what they get.

Bernie gets all his money from regular citizens like me. And if he gains the office he will pay me and millions of others voters back instead of Big Pharma and the health insurance industry just to name two.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
129. Harris, Gillibrand, Booker & Warren are also not accepting money from corporate PACs.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 02:31 PM
Mar 2019

So by your definition, their "PAC" is also their voters.

Bernie does get money from PACs, BTW:

https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of-congress/contributors?cid=N00000528&cycle=CAREER




If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
130. I don't consider unions a PAC per se
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 02:38 PM
Mar 2019

They are looking out for the interests of common workers not some faceless soulless conglomerate looking to screw the public over as much as possible.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
131. Whether you consider them PACs or not, they are PACs, as per campaign finance law
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 02:42 PM
Mar 2019

Senator Sanders has certainly endorsed candidates who got big donations from wealthy, out of state individual donors (not ordinary people), so clearly that's not something he thinks is a disqualifier in a candidate:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/northam-has-financial-edge-in-virginia-governors-race-gillespie-leads-gop-field/2017/04/18/a44452f0-23a4-11e7-a1b3-faff0034e2de_story.html

Our Revolution’s was set up with a 501(c)(4) status. That categorization meant it would be able to accept large contributions from anonymous donors. They are not legally compelled to be transparent as to where the money came from. It's helpful if the are, but as recent events have shown, some organizations double down when they are shown to have volunteered only as much transparency than the law requires.

As for Unions: Do you think that the United Mine Workers are going to donate to a candidate who promotes solar and wind? Do you think the UAW will support a candidate that wants to promote public transportation?

I have a hypothetical question for you concerning benefitting from PAC spending:

If candidate A was running against candidate B in a primary, and a dark money corporate PAC from the opposing party was running ads against candidate B in states where candidate A wasn't doing well, would you say that candidate A was benefitting from the spending the of the opposing party corporate PAC?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,733 posts)
154. I don't "trust" BS. Or that idiot Cornel West.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 11:39 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
162. That's fine Cha
Sat Mar 9, 2019, 12:09 AM
Mar 2019

I'm going a different way in 2020.

No more half measures for me. I want real meaningful change for all Americans, not just the comfortable and well off.

I'm a USAF veteran in my 60's one sickness or accident away from total bankruptcy. No help from the VA for dental or any health issues at all, thanks for your service...sucker! I was told I make too much!!!

No help from the ACA either as I could not afford even the lowest bronze package on the exchange because the damn republicans in this redstate I try to survive in made damn sure no help was extended to people like me.

So the ACA made an outlaw out of me that got fined hundreds of dollars at tax time that I can ill afford. No one extended any hope to a person like me at all till Bernie Sanders who has advocated programs that will help me and my loved ones immensely if he gets the chance to implement them.

I see people here everyday with GOP talking points...we can't afford that...IOW shut up go bankrupt and die fool. That's not going to resonate very much with the present electorate IMO. Many candidates are mouthing the words but Sanders has been pushing these programs for years, when it wasn't popular so I trust him alone.

That's why I'm all in for Bernie.

Of course in the end I'm voting for the democratic nominee. We will see what develops....

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Cha

(297,733 posts)
177. Yeah, I noticed. I Don't Trust BS.
Sat Mar 9, 2019, 01:54 AM
Mar 2019

I want a Democratic Candidate who can intelligently make their case with out tearing their "opponents" down.

BS was out there on TV after the "election" calling my Democratic Party "Elite" and how "humiliated" he was. Making it all about himself.' Calling our Democratic African American Base "Elite" and "Weak" Yeah, BS always has the insults.

And, insulting his "opponents"..

Bernie: ‘My Opponents’ Want Black, White, Gay, Latino or Women Candidates ‘Regardless of What They Stand For’

After the 2016 election, Sanders hit a similar theme when he told a crowd of supporters “It’s not good enough for somebody to say ‘hey I’m a Latina vote for me’ that is not good enough,” and went on to add “It is not good enough for somebody to say, ‘I’m a woman, vote for me.'”


https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211722251

BS insults my party.. He can expect pushback. It's called Vetting..


I want a candidate who doesn't make someone a co-chair of his campaign that Got Sucked in by Jill Stein's Lies.. that helped give us trump on a Russian platter.. and knows the damn difference between repubs & Democrats.

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primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
179. But isn't voting for any Dem nominee that isn't Bernie going "by half-measures"
Mon Mar 11, 2019, 07:25 AM
Mar 2019

by your definition?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emulatorloo

(44,187 posts)
85. I always support the most left candidate in the primary and the Dem nominee in the general
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 01:09 AM
Mar 2019

And I enthusiastically support the nominee and GOTV to the best of my ability.

It isn’t rocket science.

Voting is my civic duty, and there is no way in hell I would allow a Republican to win by petulantly making a “protest vote” if my primary choice isn’t the nominee.



I will not throw the most vulnerable people in our society under the bus.

Ever.

I find it odd that you would act as if that is ok for primary supporters whose candidate isn’t successful in gaining the nomination to help Republicans win.

Because I know you feel the same way about protecting the most vulnerable among us.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
118. Susan Sarandon and Cornel West and Michael Moore should be as wise and thoughtful as you.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 11:56 AM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

still_one

(92,422 posts)
90. Oh, I am motivated now, and you recommended your own OP just motivated me more
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 02:00 AM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
116. Dems support the Dem nominee. Hillary motivated me, and was certainly trustworthy. (nt)
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 09:44 AM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to Uncle Joe (Original post)

 

still_one

(92,422 posts)
81. Obviously Cornel West is telling those who supported Hillary to go to hell. Let's see how well that
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 12:53 AM
Mar 2019

works out

Let’s see Sanders support move outside of his base with this kiss of death from him

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comradebillyboy

(10,176 posts)
91. Yet another reason Bernie is at the bottom of my 'Top 40'.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 02:03 AM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

betsuni

(25,656 posts)
93. Bernie & Our Revolution featuring Nina Turner and Cornel West, the reunion tour!
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 04:12 AM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
172. Getting the band back together! Don't forget Sarandon
Sat Mar 9, 2019, 12:58 AM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

CrossingTheRubicon

(731 posts)
92. Accepting this endorsement is a thumb in the eye to Democratic loyalists.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 04:06 AM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to Uncle Joe (Original post)

 

MrsCoffee

(5,803 posts)
99. He became irrelevant after his screeds against Obama.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 07:08 AM
Mar 2019

He is a useful idiot.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
147. That is one big straw man. Was there an "accidental" fire at some point? nt
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 09:21 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,733 posts)
176. That is the Best Stawman, ehrnst!
Sat Mar 9, 2019, 01:44 AM
Mar 2019


Can I borrow it.. just in case? lol

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Joe Biden
 

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
106. That should move the needle.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 07:37 AM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Soxfan58

(3,479 posts)
108. What?
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 07:56 AM
Mar 2019

Jill Stein not running!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
109. I think it's funny that people think this helps Sanders...
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 08:09 AM
Mar 2019


Sid
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Peacetrain

(22,879 posts)
114. I am sorry, but after the way Dr. Cornell West went after President Obama
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 09:30 AM
Mar 2019

His endorsement is not one I would put at the top of my list if I were Senator Sanders..just saying

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Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
122. A proud Jill Stein supporter. NT
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 12:57 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
123. No surprise there
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 01:00 PM
Mar 2019

As if I needed another reason not to vote for Sanders.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
135. Cornel West's endorsement is pretty much the kiss-of-death...
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 05:41 PM
Mar 2019

Cornel West's endorsement is pretty much the kiss-of-death... and I can live with that!


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

dubyadiprecession

(5,722 posts)
128. Yeah, well he can forget about...
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 02:01 PM
Mar 2019

Getting Debbie Waserman Shultz’s endorsement!
Sorry BS, but you blew it!

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Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(146,333 posts)
134. Well, OK, then...
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 03:14 PM
Mar 2019

I doubt that will be of much help, really, in the primary race.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,733 posts)
136. Cornel West is an Idiot.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 06:04 PM
Mar 2019
Cornel West and Tavis Smiley do a disservice to African Americans

snip//

West has called Obama a "Rockefeller Republican in blackface" and both recently criticized Al Sharpton's support of the president as an example of him being "on the Obama's plantation".

These comments are made only more disappointing because they seem to come from a place of personal disdain, more than any desire to push an intelligent discussion. West has gone on record saying his initial rift with President Obama came from the fact that he couldn't get tickets for his family to go to the inauguration. Smiley threw a tantrum in 2008 when President Obama couldn't make his State of the Black Union event (also saying "no thanks" to a proposal to have Michelle Obama come in his place).


More..
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jul/26/cornel-west-tavis-smiley-disservice-african-americans
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

pnwmom

(108,997 posts)
152. He endorsed BS last time, so this is no surprise. nt
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 11:37 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

nycbos

(6,039 posts)
156. One cranky old man endorses another cranky old man.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 11:45 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,733 posts)
160. Cornel West is beyond "cranky"..
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 11:54 PM
Mar 2019
Cornel West and Tavis Smiley do a disservice to African Americans

snip//

West has called Obama a "Rockefeller Republican in blackface" and both recently criticized Al Sharpton's support of the president as an example of him being "on the Obama's plantation".

These comments are made only more disappointing because they seem to come from a place of personal disdain, more than any desire to push an intelligent discussion. West has gone on record saying his initial rift with President Obama came from the fact that he couldn't get tickets for his family to go to the inauguration. Smiley threw a tantrum in 2008 when President Obama couldn't make his State of the Black Union event (also saying "no thanks" to a proposal to have Michelle Obama come in his place).


More..
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jul/26/cornel-west-tavis-smiley-disservice-african-americans

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

radical noodle

(8,013 posts)
163. Another reason for me to vote
Sat Mar 9, 2019, 12:12 AM
Mar 2019

for anyone but BS.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
169. Hmmm, that's catchy - "ABS"!!
Sat Mar 9, 2019, 12:44 AM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

radical noodle

(8,013 posts)
174. There could be a group
Sat Mar 9, 2019, 01:12 AM
Mar 2019

with that name.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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