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redgreenandblue

(2,088 posts)
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 04:48 PM Jun 2019

Like it or not, Cory Booker's "attacks" on Biden are strategically sound.

Booker as of now has at least four candidates ahead of him. If he wants to have even a sliver of a chance of winning the primaries he needs to dramatically increase his profile. And what better way to do this than to get into some sort of exchange with the front-runner, especially in connection with a sensitive issue on which he can speak with some authority? Assuming that Booker was nowhere near Biden's short-list of VP picks, Booker has nothing to lose and everything to gain from this story staying alive.

On edit: I do not mean to imply that Booker is being insincere. All I am saying is that I think this helps him, regardless of what his personal motivations are, which I believe are genuine.

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Like it or not, Cory Booker's "attacks" on Biden are strategically sound. (Original Post) redgreenandblue Jun 2019 OP
John Lewis backs Biden: and that is good enough for me ... stonecutter357 Jun 2019 #1
I think his reaction was his gut instinct talking. Not political calculation. CentralMass Jun 2019 #2
I think he's wanting to get out of single digit polling. This has gotten him some msm facetime emulatorloo Jun 2019 #6
I think Booker has turned a lot of people off PatSeg Jun 2019 #3
I definitely agree with you..n/t monmouth4 Jun 2019 #5
Me too! Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #34
Booker turned me off with this Jarqui Jun 2019 #14
That Booker doubled down on "boy" after Biden explained its context in his anecdote and, despite emmaverybo Jun 2019 #21
Democrats don't need this kind of politics PatSeg Jun 2019 #27
Agree with you completely. democratisphere Jun 2019 #28
Cory Booker is a really smart person PatSeg Jun 2019 #30
Certainly not ready for Prime Time in the WH. democratisphere Jun 2019 #31
I agree PatSeg Jun 2019 #37
He didn't have many turned on in the first place Politicub Jun 2019 #33
Yep PatSeg Jun 2019 #39
Booker can increase his profile by talking his strengths and accomplishments emulatorloo Jun 2019 #4
Interesting is that Booker said while on Lawrence O'Donnell treestar Jun 2019 #29
In the end, I do not believe that this helps Sen. Booker and he remains in single digits...drops out Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #7
I believe Booker's criticism of Biden is sincere. aikoaiko Jun 2019 #8
Yeah? like his feelings when he signed that letter to shun Al Franken. LakeArenal Jun 2019 #16
I do not appreciate "scorched earth" tactics by any of the candidates. Laurian Jun 2019 #9
It's politically divisive and disingenuous. Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #10
I had forgotten that one PatSeg Jun 2019 #13
Those types of things bother me too and do him no good. nolabear Jun 2019 #24
Has Booker broken 2% yet? tirebiter Jun 2019 #11
Your favorite candidate's numbers are nothing to write home about either. mtnsnake Jun 2019 #17
Her chances in the future far exceed his, however, as do her qualifications and appeal. NT emmaverybo Jun 2019 #23
Yes but he's been trending downward Jarqui Jun 2019 #18
I think it reflects poorly on him Hav Jun 2019 #12
Hardly anyone will admit it, but you are absolutely right. mtnsnake Jun 2019 #15
"he isn't worried about meaningless polls" ucrdem Jun 2019 #20
Strategic yes, sound no. ucrdem Jun 2019 #19
I would like to think of them as criticisms/disagreements, rather than attacks still_one Jun 2019 #22
It may help him to get closer or leap frog over one or two of those ahead of him, but.... George II Jun 2019 #25
This whole business of "demanding apologies" is usually redstateblues Jun 2019 #26
Your kidding right njhoneybadger Jun 2019 #32
Corey Booker wasn't high on my list Green Line Jun 2019 #35
Facts are not attacks PDittie Jun 2019 #36
No but rancid stunts like this are. ucrdem Jun 2019 #38
Booker has 1% support here on DU IronLionZion Jun 2019 #40
 

stonecutter357

(12,697 posts)
1. John Lewis backs Biden: and that is good enough for me ...
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 04:51 PM
Jun 2019
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CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
2. I think his reaction was his gut instinct talking. Not political calculation.
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 04:55 PM
Jun 2019
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emulatorloo

(44,131 posts)
6. I think he's wanting to get out of single digit polling. This has gotten him some msm facetime
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 05:01 PM
Jun 2019

Hoping he will turn away from the negativity campaigning and instead tell us his policies and accomplishments. He has a lot to be proud of. His advisors should recalculate their strategy and have him speak to his own strengths when the cameras are on him.

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PatSeg

(47,501 posts)
3. I think Booker has turned a lot of people off
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 04:55 PM
Jun 2019

It was a purely political move, but not a very good one.

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monmouth4

(9,708 posts)
5. I definitely agree with you..n/t
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 04:59 PM
Jun 2019
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Jarqui

(10,126 posts)
14. Booker turned me off with this
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 05:14 PM
Jun 2019

I agree with you

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emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
21. That Booker doubled down on "boy" after Biden explained its context in his anecdote and, despite
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 05:40 PM
Jun 2019

a “conciliatory” call, goes on to demand Biden apologize to all Americans, tells me all I need to know. Hugs Biden, declares his respect of and gratitude to Biden, but continues to sow division.

Yes, he is serving his own interests.

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PatSeg

(47,501 posts)
27. Democrats don't need this kind of politics
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 06:28 PM
Jun 2019

It has never served us well and will not benefit any candidate in this race.

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democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
28. Agree with you completely.
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 06:30 PM
Jun 2019

I WAS neutral. NOW I am not.

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PatSeg

(47,501 posts)
30. Cory Booker is a really smart person
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 06:34 PM
Jun 2019

He should have known better. Perhaps his political instincts aren't very well honed or he is getting some bad advice.

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democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
31. Certainly not ready for Prime Time in the WH.
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 06:36 PM
Jun 2019
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PatSeg

(47,501 posts)
37. I agree
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 09:33 AM
Jun 2019

Some people's ambitions tend to exceed their readiness.

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Politicub

(12,165 posts)
33. He didn't have many turned on in the first place
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 08:14 PM
Jun 2019

I thought he would be more prominent in the primary. I thought he would be a frontrunner, actually.

He's just not firing on all cylinders. I don't watch Sunday news shows, but the online stories about his appearances today just talk about his criticism of Biden. How's that going to win a single vote?

And for people who are following the primary, we know that Biden didn't "praise" the segregationshits (typo, but leaving it for apropos-ness). It was a fumble to use them as an example of cooperation in the senate. But that wasn't praising them.

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PatSeg

(47,501 posts)
39. Yep
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 09:42 AM
Jun 2019

And because of Booker's criticism of Biden, that is all people will be asking him about for awhile, not policy or what Booker thinks he can bring to the White House.

People get tired of politicians who are scripted and talk in carefully prepared talking points, but I can see how that can happen. Election season turns into a nitpick fest, with pundits and opponents dissecting every sentence, phrase, and word a candidate says and finding meaning or intent that does not exist. Personally I would prefer candidates say what they mean in their own words and that is why Biden has always appealed to me. It is bad enough when republicans do it to Democrats, but it is ridiculous when Democrats do it to one another.

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emulatorloo

(44,131 posts)
4. Booker can increase his profile by talking his strengths and accomplishments
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 04:58 PM
Jun 2019

Shitty negative “strategery” from a dumbass campaign ‘advisor’ is not the way to prove you are a statesman or are qualified to be President.

Btw Biden would probably have no problem picking Booker as a VP imho. Biden’s an adult and knows it’s just Booker trying to get out of single digits. It’s “just politics”

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treestar

(82,383 posts)
29. Interesting is that Booker said while on Lawrence O'Donnell
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 06:31 PM
Jun 2019

that he believes the ticket should not have two men and that's why he would not pick Biden as a running mate. So the other way round, would he take the VP slot if Biden picked him for a running mate? He should refuse because the ticket should not have two men per his own rule. OTOH that would not stop another male taking it, so maybe he could.

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Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
7. In the end, I do not believe that this helps Sen. Booker and he remains in single digits...drops out
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 05:02 PM
Jun 2019
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aikoaiko

(34,172 posts)
8. I believe Booker's criticism of Biden is sincere.
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 05:03 PM
Jun 2019

It might also be politically advantageous, but I think Booker's comments come from a real place.

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LakeArenal

(28,820 posts)
16. Yeah? like his feelings when he signed that letter to shun Al Franken.
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 05:21 PM
Jun 2019
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Laurian

(2,593 posts)
9. I do not appreciate "scorched earth" tactics by any of the candidates.
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 05:07 PM
Jun 2019

They should concentrate on why they should be chosen.

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Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
10. It's politically divisive and disingenuous.
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 05:08 PM
Jun 2019

Especially from a guy who, in 2012, called Obama nauseating for attacking Romney on Bain. I don't think it'll help him - in fact, I think it's alienating a lot of the voters he would need to be successful.

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PatSeg

(47,501 posts)
13. I had forgotten that one
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 05:12 PM
Jun 2019

Cory Booker has to decide who he is, though for many it is probably too late.

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nolabear

(41,987 posts)
24. Those types of things bother me too and do him no good.
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 05:51 PM
Jun 2019

I might be wrong but I don’t think he’s taken very seriously.

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mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
17. Your favorite candidate's numbers are nothing to write home about either.
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 05:24 PM
Jun 2019
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emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
23. Her chances in the future far exceed his, however, as do her qualifications and appeal. NT
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 05:46 PM
Jun 2019
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Jarqui

(10,126 posts)
18. Yes but he's been trending downward
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 05:25 PM
Jun 2019

he's between 1-3% now
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democratic_presidential_nomination-6730.html
Feb-Apr this year, he was between 2-6%

He was averaging between 4% and 6% during that Feb-Mar time. He's averaging around 2.3-2.4% now. O'Rouke and Biden announcements coincide with Booker's significant drops in the polls.

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Hav

(5,969 posts)
12. I think it reflects poorly on him
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 05:10 PM
Jun 2019

that he has to rely on feigned outrage instead of persuading more people with his policies or personality. It may be a sound strategy and it's certainly a common strategy in politics but it's also opportunistic and dishonest when you knowingly misrepresent an opponent's point. It's definitely not your preferred way to make an impression in a political race and that he kept going to milk that issue shows at least signs of desperation.
He got the airtime he wanted but I think it's in his best interest to find other issues to make a positive impact because this isn't a long-term strategy.

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mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
15. Hardly anyone will admit it, but you are absolutely right.
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 05:21 PM
Jun 2019

Booker is doing what it takes to get some press and the name recognition that comes with it, PLUS he is doing it out of sincerity for what he believes in. Just like all the other candidates, he is in this to win, and he isn't worried about meaningless polls.

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ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
20. "he isn't worried about meaningless polls"
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 05:34 PM
Jun 2019
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ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
19. Strategic yes, sound no.
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 05:33 PM
Jun 2019

It might conceivably boost Booker from 3rd to 2nd tier also-ran but what's that worth if he and his pals wind up taking out Biden? Nothing unless he's angling for a job in the next Trump administration.

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still_one

(92,219 posts)
22. I would like to think of them as criticisms/disagreements, rather than attacks
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 05:44 PM
Jun 2019

The problem isn't that as I see it, but that the criticisms for the most part seem to be leveled mostly and Biden and Sanders, and most of the other candidates are not getting vetted at all.

The NY Times had a great survey a few days ago to all the Democratic candidates, with some tough questions. All of them participated except for Joe Biden, which I think is unhttps://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/us/politics/2020-candidate-interviews.htmlfortunate, and at a minimum is terrible optics for his campaign, and at worst gives the impression that he is afraid

That is my personal speculation

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George II

(67,782 posts)
25. It may help him to get closer or leap frog over one or two of those ahead of him, but....
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 06:00 PM
Jun 2019

....he probably will fall a little further behind the leader. That's how these things work.

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redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
26. This whole business of "demanding apologies" is usually
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 06:06 PM
Jun 2019

Ridiculous and just a way to keep a losing strategy going. Booker is beating a dead horse

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njhoneybadger

(3,910 posts)
32. Your kidding right
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 08:05 PM
Jun 2019

After John Lewis contradicted him he has zero chance. It was a fucking cheap shot

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Green Line

(1,123 posts)
35. Corey Booker wasn't high on my list
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 01:22 AM
Jun 2019

Now he’s close to the bottom, he’s being ridiculous and desperate

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ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
38. No but rancid stunts like this are.
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 09:37 AM
Jun 2019

I am seriously astonished that a sitting US Senator, let alone a Democrat, would engage in this kind of rhetoric.

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IronLionZion

(45,457 posts)
40. Booker has 1% support here on DU
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 10:13 AM
Jun 2019

which puts him ahead of the 13 candidates who have 0%. Candidates punch up and would criticize the frontrunner more than others, unless they're a natural born asshole like Trump who hits everyone.

I can definitely understand why Booker would remind people that a Dem candidate has to think of all types of Americans, not just the ones we think we think we can win away from Trump.

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