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MineralMan

(146,327 posts)
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 12:00 PM Jun 2019

When will one of the Democratic Primary candidates demand the metric system?

That's one of my big issues. And not only that, I want metric time, too. A 20 hour day, divided into hours, each divided into 100 minutes of 100 seconds. A simple, 10-month year, too. Our schoolchildren should not be required to use math that involves the numbers 7, 12 or 16.

Neither should they have to use factions like 1/2, 1/4, 1/8, 1/16, and 1/32 when doing measurements. Fractions are hard. Decimals are easy. Common denominators - MY ASS!

No gallons, quarts, pints, or cups, gills or drams either. Liters. The old English system of volume measures is antiquated and difficult for our schoolchildren to learn. And mass and weight? For Jebus' sake! Grams, Kilograms, etc. Just do it! Distances? The Meter standard is incredibly easy to understand. It can all be taught in just a matter of days, rather than taking years to learn completely. Old fogeys like me need to stand back and embrace metric measures.

So, all a candidate must do to earn my support is to fully support a mandatory change to the metric system for all weights and measures.

Who will step up and get my vote? I'm waiting, dammit!

/hyperbole

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When will one of the Democratic Primary candidates demand the metric system? (Original Post) MineralMan Jun 2019 OP
I saw a clip of Joe sayin' "metric schmetric"...does that mean you'll be changing your preference. CincyDem Jun 2019 #1
It's the 21st Century, Dammit! MineralMan Jun 2019 #5
lol Cha Jun 2019 #25
That would really set the ignorant white wingers and trump off. eom Hoyt Jun 2019 #2
Well, there's that advantage, too! MineralMan Jun 2019 #8
Perhaps you could get Lincoln Chafee to run again... brooklynite Jun 2019 #3
The time was not right. MineralMan Jun 2019 #11
A one hour day and a one day year will address your concerns... brooklynite Jun 2019 #16
Well, at 73, they seem to go by about that fast. MineralMan Jun 2019 #21
I dunno; I understand some people have small hands.... brooklynite Jun 2019 #22
Well, the hand got standardized. MineralMan Jun 2019 #23
I find that centimeters are 2.54 times too small jberryhill Jun 2019 #4
Hah! Metrics! Learn It! Live It! MineralMan Jun 2019 #6
When? In 2016... Lincoln Chaffee. JaneQPublic Jun 2019 #7
Not unless he also insists that Esperanto be the national language. mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2019 #9
Well...let's not get carried away... MineralMan Jun 2019 #10
Mandatory: Harley-Davidson repair manuals in Esperanto or nothing. NT mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2019 #12
Well, that's OK for you and me, I suppose. MineralMan Jun 2019 #13
Esperanto is an artificial language made in the style of latin and german languages. DetlefK Jun 2019 #15
Eleganta, postulema. mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2019 #19
I believe there are only 2 countries on earth that still use the "English system" captain queeg Jun 2019 #14
I think the only way to make it work is to do it "cold turkey." MineralMan Jun 2019 #18
"Common denominators - MY ASS! " SouthernProgressive Jun 2019 #17
Indeed! MineralMan Jun 2019 #20
I want to go the other direction KayF Jun 2019 #24
Whoever make this happen will reap the benefit of gas prices going down by like a factor of 4... RockRaven Jun 2019 #26
I tell you what. Doreen Jun 2019 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Jun 2019 #28
i hate to agree with you, mineral man rampartc Jun 2019 #29
 

CincyDem

(6,385 posts)
1. I saw a clip of Joe sayin' "metric schmetric"...does that mean you'll be changing your preference.
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 12:02 PM
Jun 2019


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MineralMan

(146,327 posts)
5. It's the 21st Century, Dammit!
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 12:08 PM
Jun 2019

People do math with calculators now. Get with the program!

Metric System. Just move the damned decimal point.

Why should anyone need to know that 1/8" is .125"? Think of the children! Now, hand me that 11/32" wrench, dammit!

Grump!

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Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
2. That would really set the ignorant white wingers and trump off. eom
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 12:04 PM
Jun 2019
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MineralMan

(146,327 posts)
8. Well, there's that advantage, too!
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 12:13 PM
Jun 2019

"Hey, Bubba! Take an inch and 9/16" off that board."

"Here ya go, boss"

"Dammit! 9/16" is the first line PAST the half inch mark, not the line before it! Shit! Go get another board. This one's too short now."

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brooklynite

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3. Perhaps you could get Lincoln Chafee to run again...
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 12:06 PM
Jun 2019
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MineralMan

(146,327 posts)
11. The time was not right.
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 12:16 PM
Jun 2019

Today, we live in a world where our young people can no longer read a clock with hands. We must simplify!

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brooklynite

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16. A one hour day and a one day year will address your concerns...
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 12:26 PM
Jun 2019
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MineralMan

(146,327 posts)
21. Well, at 73, they seem to go by about that fast.
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 12:39 PM
Jun 2019

I blame the circle for all of that 12 and 24 nonsense. If there weren't any circles, we wouldn't have that problem at all.

Ban the circle!

"What is your mass?"

"About 13 stone."

"And you're how tall?"

"18 hands."

Well, then, your mass is average for your height. But, do watch those snacks. I don't want you gaining much more.

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brooklynite

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22. I dunno; I understand some people have small hands....
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 12:46 PM
Jun 2019
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MineralMan

(146,327 posts)
23. Well, the hand got standardized.
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 12:59 PM
Jun 2019

Just like the cubit did, eventually.

I used to do a lot of woodworking, and designed woodworking projects for magazines like Popular Mechanics and Family Handyman.

Normally, I worked backwards. I'd built the prototype project first, taking the necessary photos as I went, and then do the drawings to send to the magazine, along with the step-by-step instructions. Sometimes, I'd build designs using organic measurements, based on my own body dimensions. Things went very quickly that way. For example, my hand span is exactly 9 inches. Other measurements used finger and joint widths and lengths. A lot of measurements were made from the dimensions of parts of the project. Sometimes, I'd cut one part and then just start building, using it to measure other parts. That organic method of design and construction worked very well.

Once the project prototype was done, I'd measure it as I created the drawing, adjusting real measurements to become the ideal measurements for the project as it would be built by others. That way, the initial build went quickly and smoothly. Saving time was crucial, given how lousy the pay was for such projects.

Of course, that worked only for stand-alone items. When I designed a workshop building for one magazine, I did have to do the drawings before construction. That project was too complex to just start building, and it need to be according to the building code.

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jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
4. I find that centimeters are 2.54 times too small
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 12:07 PM
Jun 2019

I'm okay with the meters - they're fine.

But the centimeters need to be larger.

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MineralMan

(146,327 posts)
6. Hah! Metrics! Learn It! Live It!
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 12:09 PM
Jun 2019
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mahatmakanejeeves

(57,598 posts)
9. Not unless he also insists that Esperanto be the national language.
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 12:13 PM
Jun 2019

Ĉu mi klarigas min?

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MineralMan

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10. Well...let's not get carried away...
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 12:15 PM
Jun 2019

It's easier to learn Esperanto if you speak Spanish or French than if you speak English. It's a damned foreign language, innit?

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mahatmakanejeeves

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12. Mandatory: Harley-Davidson repair manuals in Esperanto or nothing. NT
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 12:16 PM
Jun 2019
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MineralMan

(146,327 posts)
13. Well, that's OK for you and me, I suppose.
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 12:19 PM
Jun 2019

Now, bring me that metric Phillips screwdriver!

Oddly enough, though, I often use the Spanish or French instructions in multi-lingual owner's manuals, just to keep up on those languages, since I don't have that many opportunities to speak them these days.

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DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
15. Esperanto is an artificial language made in the style of latin and german languages.
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 12:25 PM
Jun 2019
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mahatmakanejeeves

(57,598 posts)
19. Eleganta, postulema.
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 12:35 PM
Jun 2019

I'm not sure what will happen to that if I reverse the translator.

Not that I need a translator.

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captain queeg

(10,240 posts)
14. I believe there are only 2 countries on earth that still use the "English system"
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 12:23 PM
Jun 2019

And England is not one of them. It’s the US and I believe a small African nation. It really is telling that the US sticks to the old system. When we tried instituting metric, signs went up with both. If people wouldn’t have freaked out we gradually could have gotten used to it.

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MineralMan

(146,327 posts)
18. I think the only way to make it work is to do it "cold turkey."
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 12:31 PM
Jun 2019

It doesn't really take that long to adapt to metrics. One of the biggest problems, though, is in building materials and housing. A complete switch would screw up repairs on buildings, since materials with metric measurements couldn't really be used alongside inch measurement materials in and on existing structures.

A lot of things, though, have already been changed. I don't think there are any cars made any longer that are all inch measurement. The auto industry has been quietly switching for some time, especially with regard to fasteners. These days, you have to have tools in both standards to work on just about anything. I hate that. I keep two toolboxes - one metric and one inch. What a wasteful situation!

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SouthernProgressive

(1,810 posts)
17. "Common denominators - MY ASS! "
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 12:28 PM
Jun 2019


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MineralMan

(146,327 posts)
20. Indeed!
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 12:36 PM
Jun 2019

I don't remember if it was the fourth or fifth grade, but we spend an entire damned school year on fractions. Half the kids never did understand them, actually. The decimal system is dead simple. Were it in place, that entire year could have been spent on more productive math.

"This is the numerator, class, and this is the denominator..."

"Today, we'll begin learning how to multiply fractions, class..." Nobody got that right. Well, I did, but that's different.

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KayF

(1,345 posts)
24. I want to go the other direction
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 06:42 PM
Jun 2019

I want us to start using stones and fortnights.

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RockRaven

(14,990 posts)
26. Whoever make this happen will reap the benefit of gas prices going down by like a factor of 4...
Wed Jun 26, 2019, 03:31 AM
Jun 2019

Not really, but the number on the sign anyhow. That's gonna make some portion of the populace feel good.

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Doreen

(11,686 posts)
27. I tell you what.
Wed Jun 26, 2019, 03:52 AM
Jun 2019

If you are willing to sit with me for hours and hours and patiently teach me to convert what we use now to what you want I will vote for it also.

However, I must first tell you that I have a learning disability and am still unable to do in my mind what we here in the states have. In fact it takes me awhile to figure it out even on paper. Any type of measurement is very hard for me to learn.

No, I am not stupid but some things I take a long time to get or only partly get it.

I do agree that the school year should either be longer or go year around. Kids lose to much when they have that much time away from learning.

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rampartc

(5,435 posts)
29. i hate to agree with you, mineral man
Wed Jun 26, 2019, 05:05 AM
Jun 2019

but the metric system is required for American products to sell in the global, metric marketplace. but …

this is America, and i'm convinced that the carter administration's baby steps towards the metric system were responsible for the Reagan victory. "if you give them an inch they will take a yard." said the gipper in a frenzied defense of capitalism against the red metric hordes. …...

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