Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumThursday Debate predictions
As I posted in yesterday's predictions, I thought that group's frontrunner, Warren, would do well and further cement her strong position. And IMO, that's what happened, though I know some people were not as impressed, and it's too soon to know whether or not polls will bear out either perspective.
But I will not make the same prediction about today's frontrunner, I don't think Biden will do as well. I think his poll numbers will drop post-debate.
I think the people whose campaigns are pretty much DOA and will not gain any significant traction tonight are Bennet, Hickenlooper, and Williamson... and I'd probably put Swalwell and Yang in this category as well.
For me, the ones to watch,who at least have some chance to break out to stronger numbers will be Buttigieg, Gillibrand, Harris, and Sanders.
Putting Sanders in that group may sound surprising, since unlike everyone other than Biden, the vast majority of those watching will already be familiar with and have formed some opinion about him, which would seem to limit his upside... and I do think that makes it less likely that he can gain much here. But the reason I still put him in this category really has more to do with Biden than with Sanders. If Biden has an off night, Sanders as the "second strongest" going in may be best positioned to pick up some run-off.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Saviolo
(3,283 posts)I'm not sure what to expect. I think that overall I agree with your analysis and predictions, except that I feel like Yang has the opportunity to get some significant gains, here. Biden and Sanders could both significantly drop down if all they do is more of the same, or if they don't stick the landing like Warren did. It's possible that Harris and Buttigieg have a shot here at really cementing a spot in the race instead of being also-rans. I'm torn about Gillibrand, and just don't know what she needs to do in this debate to get noticed and gain support.
The Some More News crew is going to be doing a livestream watching the debate with their friend Robert Evans from Behind the Bastards. Not sure if that's for their Patreon supporters only, but might be worth checking out their twitter/YouTube channel to see if it's live.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(11,992 posts)I put Yang in that category because (a) I think too many people will still find his ideas too "out there" and (b) even when he presents those ideas well, I think the way he comes across, while perfectly pleasant and "likable," doesn't communicate the confidence/authority/gravitas needed for enough people to say, yeah, I can see him as president, I can see him beating Trump, I'm gonna vote for this guy. That is, I think even those who find him appealing are likely going to end up voting for someone else.
Gillibrand presents the opposite problem. She's not going to say anything that captures the imagination. Policy-wise, she doesn't particularly stand out in any meaningful way. BUT... she presents well, and people who see her speak tend to like her, and that's helped get her elected, despite being, historically, all over the place on significant issues. In short, presentation is her strength, where it is Yang's achilles heel. And on TV, presentation trumps content, which is why I think there is some possibility she could make an impact.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(11,992 posts)since I'm not a fan.
I don't think Sanders gains anything tonight.
Harris and Buttigieg, maybe.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Baclava
(12,047 posts)It's the only strategy left for him, really, Liz has stolen his thunder and he's slipping badly
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(11,992 posts)It's early enough, he can afford to wait it out a little bit. It's not impossible that Biden could flame out some on his own, which could leave Bernie in the lead without having to have lifted (or wagged) a finger.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Baclava
(12,047 posts)I don't think he can restrain the urge to mix it up
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)are Biden, Buttigieg, Sanders, Warren, Harris, and Beto.
The others are running for other reasons.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
thesquanderer
(11,992 posts)It's not impossible that someone else catches fire. Nobody expected Jimmy Carter or Bill Clinton to have much of a shot at the beginning.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)If at this stage of the game, a candidate has broken 1% (and some haven't broken 1/2%), it ain't gonna happen.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
thesquanderer
(11,992 posts)and seven months before the first caucus. Heck, someone new just entered the race like a week ago
I think some candidates are counting on the debates as the first time many people will be able to form any opinion about them at all, and a bunch haven't even been seen in a single debate yet.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)At this stage in 2007, Hillary was ahead of Obama...but Obama's numbers were very good. They were close.
If someone appeals to the masses, that shows up early on, at least somewhat. But if a candidate is struggling to appeal to even 1/2% or 1%, it's pretty much over for them. They don't have "it," or it's not their time.
PRINCETON, NJ -- The 2008 presidential election has gotten off to an unprecedented early start. Many candidates were off and running as the year began. How much has all of the extremely early campaigning for president at this stage of the 2008 race affected voter preferences? On the Democratic side, not much. On the Republican side, not much more.
The Fight for the Nominations
New York Sen. Hillary Clinton established her lead among the Democratic candidates early in the process. Since January there have been two occasions when Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, who has been in second place during most of 2007, came within striking distance of Clinton in Gallup Polls, but she has otherwise maintained her lead, which has ranged from 9 to 19 percentage points. In Gallup's latest poll, conducted June 11-14, 2007, Clinton leads Obama by 11 points among Democrats (33% to 21%).
Former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards (a formally announced candidate) and former Vice President Al Gore (who has not ruled out a bid but has said he has no plans to run at this time) have been competitive for third place among Democrats. Each has the support of at least 10% of Democrats, not too far behind Obama, but there has been little indication that either Gore or Edwards (let alone the other Democrats who will campaign for the nomination) are making significant enough gains to challenge Clinton.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/27985/where-election-stands-june-2007.aspx
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BannonsLiver
(16,457 posts)Thats my prediction.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
thesquanderer
(11,992 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)Sanders gives his stump speech. Biden and Harris attack Trump. Buttigieg keeps above the fray.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
sacto95834
(393 posts)Yang might just surprise you - or he may fold, getting nervous being on the national state. He has some interesting ideas that might catch fire.
This is surely the "stronger" field. Will be harder to make an impression. That said, I expect Bernie to do well as he generally stays with his talking points and isn't flustered easily. So unless there is a question like, "what do you expect to do when the Martians land in Washington, how would you greet them?" I think he will have his points, like Warren, in order.
Based on Biden's past performance in these group debates, I don't expect too much. I don't think this is his best forum. He certainly has charisma and maybe that will be enough given the panel. I also do not expect him to be nervous and give a poor performance as he has done these debates for decades. I am interested in hearing what he has to say as there isn't much material out there outlining his positions.
Mayor Pete and Harris have the best chance to make an impression. Both are talented speakers and unless nerves get to them should perform well.
I've seen very little of the rest of the lineup. What I have seen during interviews, etc. did not really send shivers down my back, so my expectations are low. But always willing to be surprised.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Jersey Devil
(9,874 posts)He just does not impress me as someone who can campaign and connect with people in order to defeat Trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sacto95834
(393 posts)You are right. He did horribly in the debates. Both he and Williamson could have sat home. The interviews I've seen him on I found him much more articulate.
Could have been overwhelmed by the event or just nor ready for prime time. That or he and Williamson were the two non-politicians and they just got rolled.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
northoftheborder
(7,574 posts)He got in late and has been ignored, but I've been impressed with the few times I've seen him speak or be interviewed.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(11,992 posts)I doubt he moved the needle tonight.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden