... President Charles Manson.

to Putin & Kim.

And California made a remarkable comeback from their celebrity Governor.

She is an anti-vaxxer New Ager. Did not belong on the stage.

and then said she just doesn’t trust CDC scientists. I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of her funding comes from anti- vaccine groups. Hard pass.

Which she is while selling BS. She should not be a candidate for higher office.

By the time I thought I was understanding where she was going, she veered off in another direction entirely.

free tv, 15M viewers. Most never heard her name. She has no business to be on that stage but she is very nice and warm person.

Just the earlier ones.

But the anti-vaxxer thing was shining through underneath the statement.
It was shocking every time she did make sense, but she did a couple of times.

never heard of her. How she made it up there on stage is a mystery to me.

hell out of the memes though.

I guess that's where she spends her money.

Maybe that is how she got name recognition and donations.

Her ads were always popping up on my FB feed. Maybe people were clicking. I didn't.

later debates will have polling requirements to narrow the field to folks who can win.

The worst part is that many of us said the same of Trump a few years ago yet here we are.

She is a very nice person who has done a lot of good with her money.

She has no business running for President, but she is absolutely not a grifter. That would be Trump.

She’s one of these “power of positive thinking cures all” people.

I have no time for such nuts.

..... and how toxic our food supply is. She says this is a big part of why so many are sick. She dislikes that Big Pharma makes billions off of vaccines.

How?

If she’s not grifting, then she’s an idiot.

She writes books about spirituality and I think she is sincere in her concern for the well being of others. She isn't, in my most humble opinion, qualified to be the president but she is not a grifter.

I read her first book about 20 years ago. She has been around in self-improvement and spirituality circles for decades.

I liked that she said health wise we are basically fucked because of few environmental regulations, few food regulations, etc. I actually liked her, everything she said was true.

I have no time for someone who crafts some pithy catchphrase about healthcare that covers her real motives which are nutty.

have what she’s having.

Both personally and professionally. I am close to people who are close to her.

She is also that very New Agey Flower Child you saw on TV.

She has no business running for ANY public office, but she is a pretty decent egg.

And, she was totally acting like she was digesting a nice chunk of sativa brownie during the debate.

predictable statement that she’ll change our nation away from Trump’s hate to love. Gotta provide a few details on that.

It had been me.... digesting that brownie.
The size of a cupcake..

In the 80's I use to hang out with a group of people like her and we would sit under a shade tree dink wine and discuss philosophy or something new age. It was so much better than things we do and say here. Normal people are boring.

She seems like a very kind individual. She just needs to stay awau from politics.

Makes us look like the crazy party.

agree with it.

But here it is better to run with the herd and attack her.

agree with much of it--sorry. It is oh so much "WU"...

Here's a taste:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/marianne-williamson-2020-democratic-debate_n_5d15994fe4b03d61163931ce

zero experience, zero applicable qualifications.

I don't doubt she is a lovely woman. That's not the point.

That her ignorance is dangerous can best be illustrated with her anti-vax views here:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287161912

and thou shalt fall in line.

And her anti-vax stances, including accusing CDC Scientists of being in the pocket of Big Pharma is so uninformed and conspiracy-driven, she does deserve some of it.

She's "quirky" and while I like "quirky" and "eccentric", it is not a trait that is particularly useful to lead the "free world"--especially after the damage Trump has wrought.

Not going to vote for her or anything, but I thought she did a good job last night.

They were then treated to the rest of our very fine field.

I also think the razzing of her is a bit funny. The light hearted razzing, of course.

She is not a grifter as so many want to say.

She has emotional intelligence in droves, but not the kind of critical thinking required to lead. Evidence her horrific anti-vax views, that she only partially walked back before leveling totally unfounded accusations that CDC-Scientists were in the pocket of Big Pharma. THAT IS DANGEROUS.

promoting wellness in the school system.

otherwise, yes.

She would be a good voice to help create more inclusive and positive evironments in schools. There are a lot of educators around the world involved in positive education and contextual wellness, and Williamson could help launch a national initiative in that regard.

and prevention programs.

I get the point you want to make, but you can't ignore the elephant in the room.

There is a point when a woo peddler becomes dangerous.

No fucking way should she be allowed to have anything to do with school children, their environment or any policy.

Her non-apology both siderism will not fly.

I just think there is something positive she can do.

Isn’t that special.



Nice edit.

Just exchanging ideas.

But whatever.

Anti-vaccine CDC conspiracy woo sellers are dangerous. Not something you want around schools and children.

Just my opinion.

Hostile? I live in a state with a measles outbreak. A guy who works on campus with my husband showed up with the measles about three weeks ago.

If people aren’t fed up with all the crazy anti vaxx don’t trust science shit, then they aren’t paying attention.

I would say the same about RFK Jr.

It's pretty disheartening to see so many on this forum fall for her BS. Democrats are supposed to be the party of science, reason and facts, not selling junk science and the "laws of attraction."

“I understand that many vaccines are important and save lives. I recognize there are epidemics around the world that are stopped by vaccines. I also understand some of the skepticism that abounds today about drugs which are rushed to market by Big Pharma. I am sorry that I made comments which sounded as though I question the validity of life-saving vaccines. That is not my feeling and I realize that I misspoke.”

https://www.lamag.com/citythinkblog/marianne-williamson-vaccines/

I'm just trying to put a silver lining on it. She made the cut and that's life. I do think my assessment is accurate. A group notorious for not voting got to see our candidates last night. A lot of that is due to her presence. She also regularly tells her colleagues it's time for them to step up and take part in the process. That they are abdicating their responsibilities, as a whole. Again, I'm doing some silver lining searching here.

the thing that annoyed me about Williamson was that she twice insisted that policy, no matter how detailed, will not defeat Trump. Okay, fine. But I could not for the life of me figure out what the hell plan she was putting forward to get Trump out of the White House. LOVE???

Williamson makes good points about Trump tapped into the fears in people's psyche and she would appeal to love instead. It's a nice sentiment but obviously not what we expect from politicians in a presidential debate.

unless you want to get elected. Barack Obama exuded love on many issues, but he needed policy. No matter how much love Marianne Williamson has to share with the world, her name will not appear on a presidential ballot.

Besides, we all know Hillary won the popular vote and Russian interference tripped her up. She did have other issues beyond policy though. Many on the right and centrists despised her and many Bernie supporters refused to vote for her.

Out of the current candidates, Kamala has potential to exude love. Mayor Pete too.

There sure aren't many.

and look towards the future

I don't plan to vote for her but am glad she's here.

Be fabulous. Go on with your bad self

i've read that quote lets say 6 times now, and maybe it's just me, but I don't think she's actually saying anything there. Maybe it's like a koan? A riddle of some sort? Or is this taken out of context/needs more from the source paragraph to be intelligible?

as a motivational thing to build confidence in a little girl before a spelling bee

It's an excerpt from a poem from her book.

We have built a toxic society in this country. Land use, transportation, housing, food policy, income inequality - These and more are the reasons our “health care” system is unaffordable and out of control.

No one else, over both nights, talked about the UPSTREAM causes of the health care problem and of other maladies in our country and the world.

It’s a shame that voice for a holistic view is marginalized as simply kooky.

She, in fact, poo pooed those who try to develop well thought out plans/strategies to address problems.

Well, if she has the magic crystals to solve those problems, I surely wish she'd reveal them. Waving her hands and saying "love" will win all is nice. Is that enough to counter Trump and his horrific policies?

had said it, the response would have been different. Now I wish some of them had brought it up. But no one dared say that she had made a good point. I wonder if Inslee might have.
It is all so much like junior high from one angle. The weirdo can't say anything right.

She spoke the truth

So there is that.