Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumDEBATES: Inconsistency in transcript of Kamala Harris
Here is the transcript from Time magazine and New York Times:
HARRIS: As we (INAUDIBLE) on this stage, I would like to speak...
And here is the transcript from Washington Examiner:
HARRIS: As the only black person on this stage, I would like to speak...
Like the Examiner, I also heard it as "the only black person."
This moved Harris down in my estimation. Harris was basically saying "As the only black person on this stage..." I am entitled to an exemption from debate rules.
This reduced my enthusiasm for the otherwise impressive Harris. How often will she do this? And why the inconsistency in the transcripts?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
question everything
(47,521 posts)Just saw the clip and I don't know whether this is the same instance but they did ask Williamson about race and before she could say a word, Harris jumped in said essentially that "race" was her issue.
Yes, Williamson is a joke, but the moderator should have shut Harris and told her that it was not her turn. As we saw for the next two hours, her turn had no meaning to her.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Oh Lordy....
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
question everything
(47,521 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)She was not saying anything like this.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)on stage? She was! Of course she should have been able to weigh in.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(11,990 posts)No, I took it as, "As the only black person on this stage... I am entitled to be heard on this issue." And I thought it was effective.
As for inconsistency between transcripts, I assume they are simply from two different transcriptors, and one had trouble making out what she said.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demit
(11,238 posts)Do all the candidates who horned in on other candidates when they were talking go down in your estimation, or only the black woman?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Skinner
(63,645 posts)In that context it is completely appropriate for her to point out that she might have a different perspective than the other candidates on the stage because of her race.
She wasn't asking for an exemption from the debate rules. She wanted to comment just like everyone else.
Here's the NYT Transcript. Harris's out-of-context quote is in bold. I kept the NYT's transcription, although I think the Examiner's was correct.
Because of this large field of candidates not every person will be able to comment on everything but the less audience reaction there is the more time they will all get.
(APPLAUSE)
Over the course of the next hour we will hear from all of these candidates. We are going to begin this hour with Mayor Buttigieg. In the last five years civil rights activists in our country have led a national debate over race and the criminal justice system. Your community of South Bend, Indiana has recently been in uproar over an officer involved shooting. The police force in South Bend is now 6 percent black in a city that is 26 percent black. Why has that not improved over your two terms as mayor?
BUTTIGIEG:
Because I couldnt get it done. My community is in anguish right now because of an officer involved shooting. A black man Eric Logan killed by a white officer. And Im not allowed to take sides until the investigation comes back. The officer says he was attacked with a knife, but he didnt have his body camera on. Its a mess. And were hurting. And I could walk you through all of the things that we have done as a communityall of the steps that we took from bias training to de-escalation but it didnt save the life of Eric Logan. And when I look into his mothers eyes I have to face the fact and nothing that I say will bring him back. This is an issue that is facing our community and so many communities around the country. And until we move policing out from the shadow of systemic racism whatever this particular incident teaches us we will be left with the bigger problem of the fact that there is a wall of mistrust put up one racist act at a time. Not just from what has happened in the past but whats happening around the country in the present. It threatens the well being of every community. And I am determined to bring about a day when a white person driving a vehicle and a black person driving a vehicle when they see a police officer approaching feels the exact same thing. A feeling not of fear but of safety. Im determined to bring that day about.
MADDOW:
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.
(APPLAUSE)
HICKENLOOPER:
Mayor Buttigieg, Mayor Buttigieg, if I could ask one question because I think
MADDOW:
Governor, Ill give you 30 seconds.
HICKENLOOPER:
I think that the question they are asking in South Bend I think across the country is why is it taking so long? We had a shooting when I first became mayor 10 years before Ferguson and the community came together and we created an office of the independent monitorcivilian oversight commission. We diversified the police force in two years. We actually did de-escalation training. I think the real question that America should be asking is why five years after Ferguson every city doesnt have this level of police accountability?
MADDOW:
Governor Hickenlooper, thank you.
HICKENLOOPER:
We
BUTTIGIEG:
Ive got to respond to that. Look, weve taken so many steps toward police accountability that the FOP just denounced me for too much accountability. Were obviously not there yet. And I accept responsibility for that
(CROSSTALK)
SWALWELL:
(INAUDIBLE) you should fire the chief.
BUTTIGIEG:
So, under Indiana law this will be investigated. And there will be accountability for the officer involved.
SWALWELL:
But youre the mayor. You should fire the chief if thats the policy and someone died.
WILLIAMSON:
All of these issues are extremely important but there are specifics, there are symptoms. And the underlying cause has to do with deep, deep, deep realms of racial injustice. Both in our criminal justice system and in our economic system. And the democratic party should be on the side of reparations for slavery for this very reason.
(APPLAUSE)
I do not believeI do not believe that the average American is a racist. But the average American is woefully undereducated about the history of race in the United States.
(CROSSTALK)
TODD:
Vice President Biden, were going to get to you. Hang on. Were going to get
HARRIS:
I would like to say
MADDOW:
Ms. Williamson, thank you very much.
BALART:
Vice President Biden, Im going towere going to get to you. Hang on. Were going to get
HARRIS:
As we (INAUDIBLE) on this stage, I would like to speak
BALART:
II
HARRIS:
On the issue of race.
(APPLAUSE)
MADDOW:
Senator Harris
HARRIS:
And so, what I will say
MADDOW:
I willSenator Harris, if I couldif I could preface
HARRIS:
Is that I agree
MADDOW:
This, well give you 30 seconds because were going to come back to you onon this again in just a moment. Go for 30 seconds.
HARRIS:
Okay. So, on the issue of race, I couldnt agree more that this is an issue that is still not being talked about truthfully and honestly. Ithere is not a black man I know, be he a relative, a friend or a coworker who has not been the subject of some form of profiling or discrimination. Growing up, my sister and I had to deal with the neighbor who told us her parents couldnt play with us because shebecause we were black. And I will say also thatthat in this campaign, weve also heardand Im going to now direct this to Vice President Biden. I do not believe you are a racist and I agree with you when you commit yourself to the importance of finding common ground.
BIDEN:
Mm-hmm.
HARRIS:
But, I also believeand its personal. And II was actually veryit was hurtful to hear you talk about the reputations of two United States senators who built their reputations and career on segregation of race in this country. And it was not only that, but you also worked with them to oppose bussing. And you know, there was a little girl in California who was part of the second class to integrate her public schools and she was bussed to school every day and that little girl was me. So, I will tell you that on this subject, it cannot be an intellectual debate among democrats. We have to take it seriously. We have to act swiftly. As attorney general of California, I was very proud to put in place aa requirement that all my special agents would wear body cameras and keep those cameras on.
(APPLAUSE)
MADDOW:
Senator Harris, thank you.
(APPLAUSE)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)And when a BLACK WOMAN does it, to point out that her experience is directly relevant as a POC, how dare she!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ValidateThis
(87 posts)She didnt get an exemption from the rules. Plenty of people spoke out of turn or over others, while Bernie kept raising his hand like Horschak trying
to get mr. kotter to call on him, which was super entitled and annoying.
If Harris was a man people would be praising his aggressive move.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demit
(11,238 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Why is this (The Original Post --- Not THIS ONE) sounding on surface like deja vu PUMA's vs Barack 2007-2008?
Is it that B-A-R-A-C-K and K-A-M-A-L-A both have six letters in their individual names or is it something else?
The sounds are getting disturbing at bit to say the very least.
#TheMoreThingsChange #TheMoreTheyStayExactlyTheSame
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ValidateThis
(87 posts)what youre even talking about. It reads like gibberish.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Welcome to DU. Try looking at the archive files and no, gibberish would not be facts. #FYI
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
oasis
(49,400 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Clinton supporters that were put out by the fact that then Senator Obama was winning the nomination and looked unstoppable. People mentioned party unity to them as we faced republicans in the General, their reply was Party Unity My Ass (PUMA). They since were called the PUMAs. Many voted for McCain, eventhough Hillary endorsed Senator Obama and worked hard to get him elected.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
relayerbob
(6,551 posts)a - Whites think they should be speaking for blacks (or Hispanics, or, well, anyone who isn't white)
b - Men think they should be speaking for women (or gays, or, well anyone who isn't them)
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while ignoring the actual skin color and gender of the people in the room, I think she was very much in her right to speak up and make it clear, the time for white (men, in particular) doing all the talking is over.
I've been opposed to attack politics, but that was needed, we need to start addressing the fact that there elephants all over the room, and getting buried in their excrement
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
obamanut2012
(26,111 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Oh Brother and Lordy....at the same time.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
philly_bob
(2,419 posts)Generally, most commenters in this thread seem convinced that it was right for Harris to interject her comments on race because she was black. I don't agree. If you're in a debate, I think you should follow the rules of debate.
In my view, of course Harris' opinions on race (and other matters) deserve to be heard. But to interrupt the proceedings by saying "As the only black person on this stage," I thought she was asking to move to the front of the line of commenting candidates. (Of course, many interrupted each other in that contentious debate.)
Anyway, g'nite everybody. I don't enjoy arguing.
I am enjoying the primary season and the top 12 or so Dem candidates are great -- including Harris.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
thesquanderer
(11,990 posts)I think it was smart of her to use a line that would help assure she'd be in the first category rather than the second. Good debate tactic.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
IronLionZion
(45,514 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kind of Blue
(8,709 posts)How could you even miss the other 2 exempting themselves from debate rules, especially Gillibrand whose interruptions were main topics right here on debate night? Rhetorical question. I think I know
"How often will she do this?" I hope as often as possible, especially when mansplaining or whitesplaining are happening.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/06/27/all-interruptions-alignments-attacks-first-debate-night/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.3df68afe86ee
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
jcgoldie
(11,639 posts)Lester Holt says at the beginning "not every candidate will get to respond on every issue"... ok and then on the topic of race they don't bother to address it to the only African American on the stage? That is racism. What she said was completely appropriate.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Any candidate that butts in when another has been called on goes down in my estimation.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
question everything
(47,521 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
RandySF
(59,158 posts)Anyone else notice this?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden