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philly_bob

(2,419 posts)
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 05:00 PM Jun 2019

DEBATES: Inconsistency in transcript of Kamala Harris

Here is the transcript from Time magazine and New York Times:

HARRIS: As we (INAUDIBLE) on this stage, I would like to speak...

And here is the transcript from Washington Examiner:

HARRIS: As the only black person on this stage, I would like to speak...

Like the Examiner, I also heard it as "the only black person."

This moved Harris down in my estimation. Harris was basically saying "As the only black person on this stage..." I am entitled to an exemption from debate rules.

This reduced my enthusiasm for the otherwise impressive Harris. How often will she do this? And why the inconsistency in the transcripts?

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DEBATES: Inconsistency in transcript of Kamala Harris (Original Post) philly_bob Jun 2019 OP
She was rude to Williamson question everything Jun 2019 #1
....The Moderator Should have Shut Harris...... LovingA2andMI Jun 2019 #15
More than once question everything Jun 2019 #22
I disagree. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #2
Why should it reduce your enthusiasm for her that she pointed out she was the only black person pnwmom Jun 2019 #3
I see it differently thesquanderer Jun 2019 #4
There was a lot of interrupting going on. Harris wasn't the first. Demit Jun 2019 #5
The topic she was responding to was RACE. Skinner Jun 2019 #6
THIS.... LovingA2andMI Jun 2019 #12
Men were interrupting in both debates, but when a WOMAN does it, she's rude. pnwmom Jun 2019 #7
Lol ValidateThis Jun 2019 #8
LOL, Arnold Horschack! Great callback to the 70s. Demit Jun 2019 #11
You Know.... LovingA2andMI Jun 2019 #13
Lol I have no idea ValidateThis Jun 2019 #16
With 63 posts.... LovingA2andMI Jun 2019 #17
What's a PUMA? Bradical79 Jun 2019 #19
Party Unity My Ass. nt oasis Jun 2019 #21
In the 2008 democratic primary, there was a virulent group of Hillary Blue_true Jun 2019 #30
Given that ... relayerbob Jun 2019 #9
oh brother obamanut2012 Jun 2019 #10
Yes.... LovingA2andMI Jun 2019 #14
FINAL COMMENT philly_bob Jun 2019 #18
Many interrupted. Sometimes they succeeded, sometimes they were shot down. thesquanderer Jun 2019 #24
Because she has unique experience on the topic of race, and whites don't IronLionZion Jun 2019 #20
According to an article/graphic at WaPo Kind of Blue Jun 2019 #23
Isn't her point valid? jcgoldie Jun 2019 #25
What she said is correct and valid, butting in is s no no as far as I am concerned leftofcool Jun 2019 #26
You left out the most important part, " . . . . . I would like to speak on the issue of race." Hoyt Jun 2019 #27
On the Donny Deutsch show, they had the clip where she said what the Examiner claimes. question everything Jun 2019 #28
First it was Beto, then Biden and now Harris is Target Number One. RandySF Jun 2019 #29
 

question everything

(47,521 posts)
1. She was rude to Williamson
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 05:04 PM
Jun 2019

Just saw the clip and I don't know whether this is the same instance but they did ask Williamson about race and before she could say a word, Harris jumped in said essentially that "race" was her issue.

Yes, Williamson is a joke, but the moderator should have shut Harris and told her that it was not her turn. As we saw for the next two hours, her turn had no meaning to her.

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LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
15. ....The Moderator Should have Shut Harris......
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 05:58 PM
Jun 2019


Oh Lordy....
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guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
2. I disagree.
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 05:04 PM
Jun 2019

She was not saying anything like this.

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pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
3. Why should it reduce your enthusiasm for her that she pointed out she was the only black person
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 05:05 PM
Jun 2019

on stage? She was! Of course she should have been able to weigh in.

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thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
4. I see it differently
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 05:10 PM
Jun 2019
Harris was basically saying "As the only black person on this stage..." I am entitled to an exemption from debate rules.

No, I took it as, "As the only black person on this stage... I am entitled to be heard on this issue." And I thought it was effective.

As for inconsistency between transcripts, I assume they are simply from two different transcriptors, and one had trouble making out what she said.
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Demit

(11,238 posts)
5. There was a lot of interrupting going on. Harris wasn't the first.
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 05:17 PM
Jun 2019

Do all the candidates who horned in on other candidates when they were talking go down in your estimation, or only the black woman?

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Skinner

(63,645 posts)
6. The topic she was responding to was RACE.
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 05:21 PM
Jun 2019

In that context it is completely appropriate for her to point out that she might have a different perspective than the other candidates on the stage because of her race.

She wasn't asking for an exemption from the debate rules. She wanted to comment just like everyone else.

Here's the NYT Transcript. Harris's out-of-context quote is in bold. I kept the NYT's transcription, although I think the Examiner's was correct.

MADDOW:

Because of this large field of candidates not every person will be able to comment on everything but the less audience reaction there is the more time they will all get.

(APPLAUSE)

Over the course of the next hour we will hear from all of these candidates. We are going to begin this hour with Mayor Buttigieg. In the last five years civil rights activists in our country have led a national debate over race and the criminal justice system. Your community of South Bend, Indiana has recently been in uproar over an officer involved shooting. The police force in South Bend is now 6 percent black in a city that is 26 percent black. Why has that not improved over your two terms as mayor?

BUTTIGIEG:

Because I couldn’t get it done. My community is in anguish right now because of an officer involved shooting. A black man Eric Logan killed by a white officer. And I’m not allowed to take sides until the investigation comes back. The officer says he was attacked with a knife, but he didn’t have his body camera on. It’s a mess. And we’re hurting. And I could walk you through all of the things that we have done as a community—all of the steps that we took from bias training to de-escalation but it didn’t save the life of Eric Logan. And when I look into his mother’s eyes I have to face the fact and nothing that I say will bring him back. This is an issue that is facing our community and so many communities around the country. And until we move policing out from the shadow of systemic racism whatever this particular incident teaches us we will be left with the bigger problem of the fact that there is a wall of mistrust put up one racist act at a time. Not just from what has happened in the past but what’s happening around the country in the present. It threatens the well being of every community. And I am determined to bring about a day when a white person driving a vehicle and a black person driving a vehicle when they see a police officer approaching feels the exact same thing. A feeling not of fear but of safety. I’m determined to bring that day about.

MADDOW:

Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

(APPLAUSE)

HICKENLOOPER:

Mayor Buttigieg, Mayor Buttigieg, if I could ask one question because I think—

MADDOW:

Governor, I’ll give you 30 seconds.

HICKENLOOPER:

I think that the question they are asking in South Bend I think across the country is why is it taking so long? We had a shooting when I first became mayor 10 years before Ferguson and the community came together and we created an office of the independent monitor—civilian oversight commission. We diversified the police force in two years. We actually did de-escalation training. I think the real question that America should be asking is why five years after Ferguson every city doesn’t have this level of police accountability?

MADDOW:

Governor Hickenlooper, thank you.

HICKENLOOPER:

We—

BUTTIGIEG:

I’ve got to respond to that. Look, we’ve taken so many steps toward police accountability that the FOP just denounced me for too much accountability. We’re obviously not there yet. And I accept responsibility for that—

(CROSSTALK)

SWALWELL:

(INAUDIBLE) you should fire the chief.

BUTTIGIEG:

So, under Indiana law this will be investigated. And there will be accountability for the officer involved.

SWALWELL:

But you’re the mayor. You should fire the chief if that’s the policy and someone died.

WILLIAMSON:

All of these issues are extremely important but there are specifics, there are symptoms. And the underlying cause has to do with deep, deep, deep realms of racial injustice. Both in our criminal justice system and in our economic system. And the democratic party should be on the side of reparations for slavery for this very reason.

(APPLAUSE)

I do not believe—I do not believe that the average American is a racist. But the average American is woefully undereducated about the history of race in the United States.

(CROSSTALK)

TODD:

Vice President Biden, we’re going to get to you. Hang on. We’re going to get—

HARRIS:

I would like to say—

MADDOW:

—Ms. Williamson, thank you very much.

BALART:

Vice President Biden, I’m going to—we’re going to get to you. Hang on. We’re going to get—

HARRIS:

—As we (INAUDIBLE) on this stage, I would like to speak—


BALART:

—I—I—

HARRIS:

—On the issue of race.


(APPLAUSE)

MADDOW:

Senator Harris—

HARRIS:

—And so, what I will say—


MADDOW:

—I will—Senator Harris, if I could—if I could preface—

HARRIS:

—Is that I agree—


MADDOW:

—This, we’ll give you 30 seconds because we’re going to come back to you on—on this again in just a moment. Go for 30 seconds.

HARRIS:

Okay. So, on the issue of race, I couldn’t agree more that this is an issue that is still not being talked about truthfully and honestly. I—there is not a black man I know, be he a relative, a friend or a coworker who has not been the subject of some form of profiling or discrimination. Growing up, my sister and I had to deal with the neighbor who told us her parents couldn’t play with us because she—because we were black. And I will say also that—that in this campaign, we’ve also heard—and I’m going to now direct this to Vice President Biden. I do not believe you are a racist and I agree with you when you commit yourself to the importance of finding common ground.


BIDEN:

Mm-hmm.

HARRIS:

But, I also believe—and it’s personal. And I—I was actually very—it was hurtful to hear you talk about the reputations of two United States senators who built their reputations and career on segregation of race in this country. And it was not only that, but you also worked with them to oppose bussing. And you know, there was a little girl in California who was part of the second class to integrate her public schools and she was bussed to school every day and that little girl was me. So, I will tell you that on this subject, it cannot be an intellectual debate among democrats. We have to take it seriously. We have to act swiftly. As attorney general of California, I was very proud to put in place a—a requirement that all my special agents would wear body cameras and keep those cameras on.


(APPLAUSE)

MADDOW:

Senator Harris, thank you.

(APPLAUSE)
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pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
7. Men were interrupting in both debates, but when a WOMAN does it, she's rude.
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 05:29 PM
Jun 2019

And when a BLACK WOMAN does it, to point out that her experience is directly relevant as a POC, how dare she!

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ValidateThis

(87 posts)
8. Lol
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 05:30 PM
Jun 2019

She didn’t get an exemption from the rules. Plenty of people spoke out of turn or over others, while Bernie kept raising his hand like Horschak trying
to get mr. kotter to call on him, which was super entitled and annoying.

If Harris was a man people would be praising “his” aggressive move.

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Demit

(11,238 posts)
11. LOL, Arnold Horschack! Great callback to the 70s.
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 05:43 PM
Jun 2019
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LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
13. You Know....
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 05:52 PM
Jun 2019

Why is this (The Original Post --- Not THIS ONE) sounding on surface like deja vu PUMA's vs Barack 2007-2008?

Is it that B-A-R-A-C-K and K-A-M-A-L-A both have six letters in their individual names or is it something else?

The sounds are getting disturbing at bit to say the very least.

#TheMoreThingsChange #TheMoreTheyStayExactlyTheSame

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ValidateThis

(87 posts)
16. Lol I have no idea
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 08:19 PM
Jun 2019

what you’re even talking about. It reads like gibberish.

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LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
17. With 63 posts....
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 08:21 PM
Jun 2019

Welcome to DU. Try looking at the archive files and no, gibberish would not be facts. #FYI

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oasis

(49,400 posts)
21. Party Unity My Ass. nt
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 11:16 PM
Jun 2019
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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
30. In the 2008 democratic primary, there was a virulent group of Hillary
Sun Jun 30, 2019, 12:17 AM
Jun 2019

Clinton supporters that were put out by the fact that then Senator Obama was winning the nomination and looked unstoppable. People mentioned party unity to them as we faced republicans in the General, their reply was Party Unity My Ass (PUMA). They since were called the PUMAs. Many voted for McCain, eventhough Hillary endorsed Senator Obama and worked hard to get him elected.

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relayerbob

(6,551 posts)
9. Given that ...
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 05:30 PM
Jun 2019

a - Whites think they should be speaking for blacks (or Hispanics, or, well, anyone who isn't white)
b - Men think they should be speaking for women (or gays, or, well anyone who isn't them)

;
while ignoring the actual skin color and gender of the people in the room, I think she was very much in her right to speak up and make it clear, the time for white (men, in particular) doing all the talking is over.

I've been opposed to attack politics, but that was needed, we need to start addressing the fact that there elephants all over the room, and getting buried in their excrement

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LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
14. Yes....
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 05:54 PM
Jun 2019

Oh Brother and Lordy....at the same time.

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philly_bob

(2,419 posts)
18. FINAL COMMENT
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 10:51 PM
Jun 2019

Generally, most commenters in this thread seem convinced that it was right for Harris to interject her comments on race because she was black. I don't agree. If you're in a debate, I think you should follow the rules of debate.

In my view, of course Harris' opinions on race (and other matters) deserve to be heard. But to interrupt the proceedings by saying "As the only black person on this stage," I thought she was asking to move to the front of the line of commenting candidates. (Of course, many interrupted each other in that contentious debate.)

Anyway, g'nite everybody. I don't enjoy arguing.

I am enjoying the primary season and the top 12 or so Dem candidates are great -- including Harris.

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thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
24. Many interrupted. Sometimes they succeeded, sometimes they were shot down.
Sat Jun 29, 2019, 11:18 AM
Jun 2019

I think it was smart of her to use a line that would help assure she'd be in the first category rather than the second. Good debate tactic.

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IronLionZion

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20. Because she has unique experience on the topic of race, and whites don't
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 10:59 PM
Jun 2019
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Kind of Blue

(8,709 posts)
23. According to an article/graphic at WaPo
Sat Jun 29, 2019, 02:11 AM
Jun 2019
Of the top five interrupters, three were women: Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (N.Y.), Sen. Kamala D. Harris (Calif.) and Marianne Williamson.

How could you even miss the other 2 exempting themselves from debate rules, especially Gillibrand whose interruptions were main topics right here on debate night? Rhetorical question. I think I know

"How often will she do this?" I hope as often as possible, especially when mansplaining or whitesplaining are happening.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/06/27/all-interruptions-alignments-attacks-first-debate-night/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.3df68afe86ee
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jcgoldie

(11,639 posts)
25. Isn't her point valid?
Sat Jun 29, 2019, 11:22 AM
Jun 2019

Lester Holt says at the beginning "not every candidate will get to respond on every issue"... ok and then on the topic of race they don't bother to address it to the only African American on the stage? That is racism. What she said was completely appropriate.

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leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
26. What she said is correct and valid, butting in is s no no as far as I am concerned
Sat Jun 29, 2019, 11:39 AM
Jun 2019

Any candidate that butts in when another has been called on goes down in my estimation.

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Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
27. You left out the most important part, " . . . . . I would like to speak on the issue of race."
Sat Jun 29, 2019, 11:43 AM
Jun 2019
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question everything

(47,521 posts)
28. On the Donny Deutsch show, they had the clip where she said what the Examiner claimes.
Sat Jun 29, 2019, 11:51 PM
Jun 2019
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RandySF

(59,158 posts)
29. First it was Beto, then Biden and now Harris is Target Number One.
Sat Jun 29, 2019, 11:53 PM
Jun 2019

Anyone else notice this?

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