Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumVote for a candidate you are confidant can beat Trump.
Many people have said they want our nominee to be the person who has the "best" chance of beating Trump.
What polls will we use to determine who can "best" beat Trump?
The Emerson Poll of June 25th shows Sanders and Biden have identical chances of beating Trump:
Sanders 55, Trump 45
Biden 55, Trump 45
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/national_general_election/
So if the only criteria is who can "best" defeat Trump, Sanders should be given equal consideration to Biden. Good luck trying to sell that argument here on DU
That poll, and others, also show other candidates beating Trump.
6 Democrats would beat Trump if the election were held today, according to a new national poll
https://www.businessinsider.com/six-democrats-beat-trump-if-election-held-today-new-poll-2019-6
But do these polls tell us who can "best" defeat Trump? And aren't polls jumping all over the place?
I have already seen a few DU-ers saying the it doesn't matter who the National Polls show can best defeat trump, we need to look at polls only in swing states. And then the discussion starts about which states are swing states and which candidates can bring other states into play.
So, my personal approach is not to quibble over which candidate can "best" defeat Trump
I will vote for the candidate that I am confidant can beat Trump and whose positions most agree with my values.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)When looking at a majority of polls, is there one person who consistently bests Trump by more than the others?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
bluewater
(5,376 posts)How far do you wish to go backwards to look?
As of June 25th, the latest poll, Sanders and Biden are tied.
For the month of June, Biden and Sanders have been with in 1-2% of each other in beating Trump in head to head polls.
That's within the margin of error, making Sanders and Biden indistinguishable in head to head polling against Trump.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/national_general_election/
So, no, no one person has been clearly "the best". No one person has been consistently ahead lately.
Also, people confuse polls showing how Trump compares head to head with a given candidate with polls asking who people think has the "best" chance from a list of candidates. That RCP Polling link shows the head to head polls.
Honestly, since polls seen to jump all over the place and change on a weekly basis, don't we have to wait until just before the primaries to say who really has the "best" chance to beat Trump?
I think we will know who CAN defeat Trump much earlier.
That's why I will vote for the candidate I am confidant can beat Trump and whose positions and values align most with my own.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)One month? Two months? You pick.
Is one person consistently ahead?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
bluewater
(5,376 posts)No one person is consistently ahead.
For the month of June, Biden and Sanders are virtually tied in head to head polls against Trump.
And that's in absolute numbers, taking in to consideration margin of error, they are indistinguishable in head to head polls against Trump.
Sorry, you seemed to have posted while I was editing and updating my post you responded to.
I think this RCP Polls link answers your question, look at the results for the month of June for head to head polls versus Trump.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/national_general_election/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JustThinking...
(91 posts)I highly doubt it will make much of a difference WHICH of the top tier candidates go against trump. There just doesn't seem to be very many voters that don't already feel very strongly for or against him. I get the impression that for the vast majority of voters 2020 will be an election for or against trump only, and for the most part they have already made up thier minds.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Merlot
(9,696 posts)unmotivated voters. GOTV.
Voting to beat trumpft is a loosing strategy.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)candidates are running on issues that will hurt us in Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania-other places too... but the blue wall is most significant...we must rebuild the blue wall or we lose and not just in 20 either. I posted the EC maps below.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287187315
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JustThinking...
(91 posts)I don't really know the stats but I'm under the impression that there aren't really that many voters, even in the EC-focused states, that are ambivalent about trump.
Would an issue or two really over-ride their very strong love or very strong hate for him?
Or IS there a sizable group of likely voters that don't feel overwhelmingly good or bad about trump?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
crazytown
(7,277 posts)Trump will beat Trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Uncle Joe
(58,366 posts)Thanks for the thread bluewater.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
thesquanderer
(11,990 posts)I think that any state that chose HRC over Trump last time will almost certainly choose the Dem candidate over Trump this time, regardless of who it is. (After all, HRC had higher unfavorables than any of the current candidates.)
So the likely road to victory is who can take Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. (Though sure, if we can flip Florida or Ohio or long shot Texas, so much the better... plus the more states we take, the better our chances of making Congress as Dem as possible.)
But polls so far show numerous candidates capable of talkng WI/MI/PA. And it's still early.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden