Joe Biden.. that's why!

that out, Hortensis!

How "hurtful" of Rep. Clyburn to say such things about an ally...

in a week. Yet, the crime bill is what's tearing families apart. Can't punish those gang bangers you know..

robbery, home invasion.

Victims in affected communities were pleading for relief.

and where I lived until 3.5 years ago. I left because I feared leaving my neighborhood.

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What Clyburn said may well be true for South Carolina and, as such, important to the Democratic race for President but...

many African Americans not in South Carolina may not feel that way and SC's history wrt civil rights is pecuilar...but it's only one narrative.

I'm a GenX gay black man born in the Midwest. I've never seen a Jim Crow sign in my life; I was born after the CRA of 1964 my entire way of thinkingabout these matters is very differently oriented from a Clyburn or a John Lewis.

I'm not saying that the Clyburns and the Lewis' are wrong but theirs is not the only orientation of the world nor is it the only orientation that a diverse community like the black community has.

I'm a GenX black guy not born in the South...my orientation with these matters is way more like Kamala Harris or Cory Booker (my contemporaries)...all of our experiences exist in the same space; one doesn't contradict the other.

For the South, Biden may well be an enlightend figure (and remember, Biden is from the South) for some. I have no idea why I should feel the same way.

FWIW, I did not really ding Clinton or Sanders on the Crime Bill and I by and large won't do that with Biden on the Crime Bill either...I will say that Clinton handled the issue better than Sanders or Biden on the campaign trail, though.

You can take a look... or not. Harris is going to have to do a lot better. Mayor Pete stands nationally at 0% with AA voters. Bottom line, we must must get rid of the orange menace.

Biden does have a solid record on civil rights, lbgqt rights and women’s rights.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-primaries/democratic/south-carolina/

This may make you feel better. Biden really does have your back, our backs.

"We gotta do something"

"older African Americans can recall when such a measure was necessary"

If more of these revelations about the 1994 Crime Bill would have come out during the 2016 campaign season, Hillary Clinton would be president now.

I hope Democrats won't get stung by this issue a second time.

pretty much said the same thing. We lived in the roughest part of Brooklyn, New York, and crime was completely out of control. They were begging lawmakers to do something, anything!

But I wonder if other states, perhaps in the south, were not experiencing that? Maybe that's the reason for the disconnect?

Many forget or don't realize that was part of it.

this egregious law. With all due respect to Clyburn, the old guard, between my Generation Jones - those approaching 60, a little above that, the younger generation and even Clyburn's generation - his statements are not good at all. Mass imprisonment of people of color was not an unintended consequence of the 1994 crime bill. And I'm hobbled right now to counter him because that's the last thing I want to do.

It's too late in the day of working for gathering my links. Look it up yourself and see where the controversy lies and why it will not die, just as the controversy and the impact of not desegregating schools is just as relevant today as it was 40 years ago.

back then when I spoke against the Republicans' proposed three strikes law in our state. Something about I didn't have to live in their neighborhoods. And they did understand the problems with those laws, of course, since they would come down in those same neighborhoods.

I also remember black acquaintances who were against busing and a couple who opposed integration itself in that they preferred black culture and friends for their children. What they wanted was proper funding and other proper benefits for schools in their own neighborhood. Our town was known for its very good schools and low crime rates, but one mother I worked with in our PTA told me her family was constantly pushing her and her husband to move back to their middle-class black neighborhood.

These things aren't black and white.

James Clyburn and Emanuel Clever(who have earned their stipes) have opinions on why, after all the M$$$$M tearing Down of Joe Biden, there are many POC who are still supporting him.

Here's another opinion from a WOC in South Carolina who isn't in the ".. hierarchy" as you call it.

No one else comes close to him, no matter how much everyone else & the media are trying to tear him down. Look what a disaster we have in the WH right now. We need someone with the requisite knowledge and experience for this all-too-important job as leader of the free world...before the hideous Bigot sends it barreling down the path of full fascism.

It's often simply too difficult to accept our performance to be judged on its own merits, and we often have to rely on creative and spurious correlations to better align disparate realities into something a little more cohesive to our biases. And if we can bust a few moves from the Conspiracy Dance, all the better!

Good luck, indeed!

know Clyburn, as did U.S. Rep. Emanuel Cleaver, D-Mo supported 'the dreaded Crime Bill" with excellent reasons.

I just read earlier around here that Assault Weapons were banned in that crime bill, too.

Thanks for the OP, highplains !

I'll just leave this little gem here from Brenda Peterson..

There is other data out there:
https://journalistsresource.org/studies/economics/abortion-crime-research-donohue-levitt/

Crime rates in the U.S. have fallen by about half since the early 1990s. A new working paper from the National Bureau of Economic Research finds that legalized abortion following the Supreme Court’s landmark Roe v. Wade decision in 1973 accounts for 45% of the decline in crime rates over the past three decades.

the doubling of in incidence of violent crime, and tripling of incarceration 1973 - 1994? - Talk about correlation.

I trust Clyburn and the preachers over all the latter-day self-righteous shitstirrers who need a history lesson from their elders.

You're with James Clyburn or you're a self-righteous shit stirrer who needs a history lesson!

Weren't we once a big tent party and not only respected different opinions, but valued them?

Joe's Senior Advisor, just announced the coming rollout on MSNBC, hosted by Hallie Jackson.

from tv land, oasis! That Symone was even on tv.

Did she have anything else to say?

Biden crime reform roll out, but Symone declined the opportunity to tell her just when. Symone has tactful way of handling host/ anchors and fellow panelists.

It would be great to see Symone giving the Presidential Daily Briefing to kick start Biden's awesome administration.

Awesome thought, oasis.. Mahalo for the report!

I've seen it with my friends whose parents support law and order and their kids would support police reforms to have fewer shootings of black males. Some oppose Kamala for being a prosecutor. Biden was a public defender for a very few months in 1969.

Ironically Biden's Senate career started by being a young energetic underdog against an elderly Nixon-backed establishment Republican who wanted to retire.

in South Carolina who aren't interested in others' opinions of how "horrible" Joe Biden is.