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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 11:49 AM Jul 2019

Warren fans say: She's upending expectations

She’s upending expectations’: Warren fans say her appeal is about more than liberal policies

Joanna Berens freely admits that she once doubted if an academic like Elizabeth Warren could win the presidency.
That was before she watched one of the senator’s televised town halls.

“She doesn’t just have some sound bites,” said Berens, a 57-year-old event planner, marveling at what she remembers seeing minutes before she was set to see Warren in person at another town hall in Miami recently. “She’s listening. She’s engaging. She hears what they’re saying, and offers thoughtful comments.”

Now, Berens isn’t just convinced Warren would make a strong general election nominee — she’s thrilled about the prospect of her confronting President Donald Trump on the debate stage.

“Oh my god,” she said. “She will flatten him.”

Warren’s summer-long rise in polls and fundraising success in the Democratic presidential primary is usually attributed to her detailed policy agenda or longstanding appeal to liberal diehards.

But Warren supporters and other friendly Democrats cite another reason for her ascent: Voters who expected to see an awkward policy wonk on the campaign trail are instead impressed by a candidate they describe as authentic and charismatic.
That shift has marked a key development in a primary where many Democratic voters say they are most interested in a candidate who can defeat Trump next fall. And it speaks to Warren’s ability to reach beyond her natural base of progressive activists, connecting with voters who might be more ideologically moderate but nonetheless drawn to her.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article232668307.html

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Warren fans say: She's upending expectations (Original Post) bluewater Jul 2019 OP
No doubt Warren would crush Trump in the debates. HerbChestnut Jul 2019 #1
I agree. And I wouldn't bet on Trump debating the Democratic nominee. My guess is highplainsdem Jul 2019 #4
He'll debate. His ego is too fragile to not want to be on the stage in front of millions of people. HerbChestnut Jul 2019 #5
We don't have to guess what he'll say . . . it will all be lies! nt in2herbs Jul 2019 #15
He's been speaking in sound bites for years. lunatica Jul 2019 #18
I'm not so sure about that. He may catch on that he's coming off as a fool. JudyM Jul 2019 #21
It's not just the formal debate, it's also the media war. marylandblue Jul 2019 #6
She can try, but Trump's base is skeptical of whatever the media says. HerbChestnut Jul 2019 #7
We are not aiming at Trump's base, we are aiming at the 10% to 20% of the electorate marylandblue Jul 2019 #10
+1000 bluewater Jul 2019 #11
Absolutely right! KPN Jul 2019 #13
Bingo. Trump's base and the hardcore BOBs will be gone if she is nominated. Blue_true Jul 2019 #24
True. 👍 Duppers Jul 2019 #8
Warren will most likely campaign everywhere. Blue_true Jul 2019 #23
I remain a Mayor Pete backer, but... Moostache Jul 2019 #2
Agree about Clinton-Warren in 2016, Bernie's strengths without the baggage bigbrother05 Jul 2019 #9
I was really disappointed that Hillary chose someone else. Blue_true Jul 2019 #25
I think she can change people's minds. She has that ability. Demit Jul 2019 #3
Me too. She already changed mine. KPN Jul 2019 #14
It would be glorious pecosbob Jul 2019 #12
When people see and listen to Warren, the stereotypes and months of criticism quickly fall away. Politicub Jul 2019 #16
Warren has something Harris doesn't have - a big mission. marylandblue Jul 2019 #19
There was a Netroots story with a quote from a Warren supporter BeyondGeography Jul 2019 #26
No chance the Coward in Chief debates any Dem Pepsidog Jul 2019 #17
I agree she's doing great and she is my marlakay Jul 2019 #20
The article summarizes what I have recounted that business associates in her state say about her. Blue_true Jul 2019 #22
 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
1. No doubt Warren would crush Trump in the debates.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 11:53 AM
Jul 2019

The problem is that debate performance means very little when it comes time to vote. Hillary owned Trump every time they were on stage together, and her polling numbers bounced as a result. What's really important is how our candidates will perform in battleground states, especially in the midwest. Until the electoral college is reformed/abolished or there is a massive electorate shift in places like Texas and Georgia, that is the unfortunate reality.

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highplainsdem

(49,041 posts)
4. I agree. And I wouldn't bet on Trump debating the Democratic nominee. My guess is
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 12:27 PM
Jul 2019

he'll refuse to debate unless he's so far behind in the polls that he's desperate.

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HerbChestnut

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5. He'll debate. His ego is too fragile to not want to be on the stage in front of millions of people.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 12:43 PM
Jul 2019

What he says during those debates is anybody's guess.

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in2herbs

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15. We don't have to guess what he'll say . . . it will all be lies! nt
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 02:38 PM
Jul 2019
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lunatica

(53,410 posts)
18. He's been speaking in sound bites for years.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 02:53 PM
Jul 2019

He doesn’t need to even bother to do much more than get his base to chant, “Lock her up!” Nothing new. Just fling that red meat! His audience can’t get enough of it.

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JudyM

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21. I'm not so sure about that. He may catch on that he's coming off as a fool.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 04:50 PM
Jul 2019
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marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
6. It's not just the formal debate, it's also the media war.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 01:16 PM
Jul 2019

He'll call her Pocahontas, and she will prove he's a kleptocrat, plus provide a plan to stop future kleptocrats.

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HerbChestnut

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7. She can try, but Trump's base is skeptical of whatever the media says.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 01:30 PM
Jul 2019

And they have zero respect for EW. Don't get me wrong, I love EW as a candidate. I have the luxury of living in a state with a late-ish primary so if she's the leading progressive candidate and wins midwestern states by the time I vote, then I'll pull the lever for her.

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marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
10. We are not aiming at Trump's base, we are aiming at the 10% to 20% of the electorate
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 01:42 PM
Jul 2019

that blows with the wind or sometimes stays home. They will vote for the candidate who best represents their concerns and excites them.

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KPN

(15,650 posts)
13. Absolutely right!
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 02:23 PM
Jul 2019
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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
24. Bingo. Trump's base and the hardcore BOBs will be gone if she is nominated.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 09:06 PM
Jul 2019

The race will boil down to who can get a good fraction of the 40% or so that sat home last time to the polls.

It is all going to boil down to how those people feel about their future and the future of their children, if they are parents. The fact that Trump is losing in early polls to four named democrats indicates that many of those people are worried about their futures, what will that concern be ~15.5 months from now?

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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
23. Warren will most likely campaign everywhere.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 08:58 PM
Jul 2019

Hollary devouted little time to the Midwest industrial states and in Florida, she never visited a city with less than a million population. There are far more places in Florida with smallish cities than there are places with mega-population cities. The red Florida, the numerous lower population counties is where statewide races here are won or lost.

Winning Florida is about reducing the republican's advantage in red Florida. People that put us down ignore the fact that President Obama did that twice and won Florida twice.

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Moostache

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2. I remain a Mayor Pete backer, but...
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 11:55 AM
Jul 2019

I would NOT be opposed to a Warren-Buttigieg ticket...or even a Warren-Harris ticket. My vote is already certain - the Democratic nominee has it and if something bizarre resulted in no Democratic Party nominee on the ballot, I would write in a vote for "half-eaten ham sandwich" before EVER voting for the Tangerine Mussolini.

I really thought Elizabeth Warren showed something on the campaign trail in the few joint appearances she made with Hillary in 2016...I thought THAT ticket - Clinton-Warren '16 - would have been stronger but it was not to be...

No matter what happens in this absurd primary season, we MUST elect a Democratic candidate and really, really need to find a way to retake the Senate (or at least cripple McConnell).

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bigbrother05

(5,995 posts)
9. Agree about Clinton-Warren in 2016, Bernie's strengths without the baggage
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 01:34 PM
Jul 2019

Would have undercut the GOP appeal to lunchbox issues.

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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
25. I was really disappointed that Hillary chose someone else.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 09:10 PM
Jul 2019

Warren really got under Trump's skin.

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Demit

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3. I think she can change people's minds. She has that ability.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 11:58 AM
Jul 2019
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KPN

(15,650 posts)
14. Me too. She already changed mine.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 02:24 PM
Jul 2019
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Politicub

(12,165 posts)
16. When people see and listen to Warren, the stereotypes and months of criticism quickly fall away.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 02:43 PM
Jul 2019

That's why she gained some momentum. And it's why she continues to gather steam.

Warren is uniquely suited to beat Trump and will have coattails that will help dems win back the senate.

She has a friendly, passionate drive that none of the other candidates have. Harris is coming close, though.

If Warren is on the main debate stage this time, I would expect her star to continue to rise.

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marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
19. Warren has something Harris doesn't have - a big mission.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 03:22 PM
Jul 2019

Warren wants to fight wealth inequality and reshape our economy and politics. We all know these are problems, so it's easy to buy into the mission, and if you do, there is no other choice, except Buttigieg who has a similar mission.

Harris doesn't seem to have a mission. She seems very smart, tough and competent which are good reasons to vote for someone, but not compelling in the same way Warren is.

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BeyondGeography

(39,380 posts)
26. There was a Netroots story with a quote from a Warren supporter
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 09:25 PM
Jul 2019

“I just think she would go under a bus for us.”

With Harris, something’s going under the bus but it ain’t Kamala.

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Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
17. No chance the Coward in Chief debates any Dem
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 02:43 PM
Jul 2019
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marlakay

(11,498 posts)
20. I agree she's doing great and she is my
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 04:06 PM
Jul 2019

Number two. Both her and Pete are my favorites and I will look at the polls in my state and see who has a better chance of winning the primary there and vote that way. I love Pete but if he is low and it looks like Liz has a better shot I will vote for her.

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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
22. The article summarizes what I have recounted that business associates in her state say about her.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 08:51 PM
Jul 2019

You may have doubts about her going into a rally of her's, but when you walk out you are a fire breathing convert.

I would love to see her do a townhall near where I live in Florida, I am even going to contribute to her campaign so that my name is on her Florida list. I want to see in person what I have heard about her ability to connect with voters.

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