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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 05:19 PM Jul 2019

Biden support slips below 30% in new poll

Former Vice President Joe Biden's support in the latest Hill-HarrisX poll of Democratic voters has fallen below 30 percent, his lowest mark in the survey so far.

The poll, released on Monday, found that 29 percent of likely Democratic primary voters support Biden as their first choice for president, while 16 percent back Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.).

This marks a 4-point drop for Biden from an identical poll conducted two weeks ago and immediately following the first 2020 Democratic debates. It also represents a 17-point drop from when same poll was first conducted in May, a month after Biden formally launched his campaign bid.

Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) and Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) retained their spots, with Harris getting 11 percent and Warren trailing close behind at 9 percent.
South Bend, Ind. Mayor Pete Buttigieg, who ranked as high as third place at one earlier poll, slipped to sixth place, garnering just 1 percent of support.

Former Texas Congressman Beto O'Rourke, who has been lagging in national polls over the last few months, notched up 2 points to 3 percent. A large number of respondents, 17 percent, were undecided.

The poll can be viewed as another setback for Biden, whose campaign has been grappling with attacks on his civil rights record in recent weeks.

https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/453142-biden-slips-below-30-percent-among-2020-democrats

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Biden support slips below 30% in new poll (Original Post) bluewater Jul 2019 OP
twice as many as second is a setback lol. nt msongs Jul 2019 #1
A setback only by those who go out of their way to always put a negative slant on Biden still_one Jul 2019 #2
All text in the OP is from The Hill's article. bluewater Jul 2019 #3
That may be, but some folks actually go out of their way looking for such negative slants, instead still_one Jul 2019 #4
The OP simply quotes the FIRST 6 paragraphs of The HIll's article. bluewater Jul 2019 #5
Really? I sure didn't see any bold highlighting in the article, and those wishing to present a still_one Jul 2019 #7
I thought the trend of Biden losing support that the article stressed was worth highlighting. bluewater Jul 2019 #11
I don't buy that a trend has been established. It is too early in the process, and there is too still_one Jul 2019 #12
um...Joe is still ahead by double digits and 1 point below 30 is within the margin of error onetexan Jul 2019 #6
The last to lines of the article actually set things straight, and the BOLD HIGHLIGHTING presented still_one Jul 2019 #8
The Hill's headline seems to be stressing the trend in the Hill-HarrisX polling bluewater Jul 2019 #9
Bingo! stopbush Jul 2019 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Jul 2019 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author bluewater Jul 2019 #15
It stops making sense when you see 16% are strong republican Tiggeroshii Jul 2019 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Jul 2019 #22
See reply 35, if you haven't yet You misread the poll. Sigh. highplainsdem Jul 2019 #37
already acknowledged this and deleted, cheers nt Celerity Jul 2019 #39
See my reply 35. No Republicans were asked which Democratic candidate they'd vote for. highplainsdem Jul 2019 #36
You read the wrong part of the internal numbers. Check the top table. Biden was the choice of highplainsdem Jul 2019 #35
fair enough, one of my very few errors, the way the table is set up it is very hard to read, I will Celerity Jul 2019 #38
I'll agree that the poll is very hard to read. But I knew the top numbers shown for the poll had to highplainsdem Jul 2019 #40
hugzzz Celerity Jul 2019 #41
Back atcha. highplainsdem Jul 2019 #42
I'm a bit surprised we have an unchallenged front runner at this point. SouthernProgressive Jul 2019 #13
I think it's remarkable that Biden's held on to this much of a lead despite so many rivals, and so highplainsdem Jul 2019 #43
what do you mean unchallenged ? there are many challenging him JI7 Jul 2019 #45
Has anyone even been close to the MOE... SouthernProgressive Jul 2019 #46
Except for some outliers, no. Joe's maintained a lead well outside the MOE for months. highplainsdem Jul 2019 #48
I'm guessing SouthernProgressive is referring to Joe maintaining his lead, rather than the lead highplainsdem Jul 2019 #47
Not that I have much faith in polls, but that is bad news for Biden mtnsnake Jul 2019 #14
No question & its only down from here after Joe's latest proposed incremental changes to Obamacare. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2019 #29
Why are all the other candidates making it more complicated for Biden to win?...nt SidDithers Jul 2019 #16
Just who do they think they are? nt zackymilly Jul 2019 #27
It's Joe who's making it more complicated for himself. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2019 #30
Meh Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #34
Joe is fading Tiggeroshii Jul 2019 #17
It's not Joe's fault. mobeau69 Jul 2019 #19
He isnt great at running for president. Tiggeroshii Jul 2019 #20
I could be part of a winning doubles team against NCAA scholarship players mobeau69 Jul 2019 #23
Omg me too!! Tiggeroshii Jul 2019 #24
Joe's handlers need to hide him between the debates. nt. zackymilly Jul 2019 #28
I'm a little surprised by that, but, at some point, they have to put Joe out there... InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2019 #31
That's taking a big chance, though. Joe's at his best when he isn't around mtnsnake Jul 2019 #44
That's crazy!! No way Joe misses the next debate...that would be the end of his campaign. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2019 #50
Joe who? ucrdem Jul 2019 #52
As other candidates fall under the scrutiny Biden has been subject to, we will see how things go. emmaverybo Jul 2019 #21
HarrisX is run by Scott Rasmussen Gustafo Jul 2019 #25
The daily Biden post padah513 Jul 2019 #26
It can also be viewed as Biden's support being greater than the support for his two closest rivals highplainsdem Jul 2019 #32
Indeed same posters saying he was toast following the debate are back with the same predictions Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #33
Hearing more people say duforsure Jul 2019 #51
Bogus poll - no mention of Marianne Williamson underpants Jul 2019 #53
 

msongs

(67,443 posts)
1. twice as many as second is a setback lol. nt
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 05:24 PM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

still_one

(92,409 posts)
2. A setback only by those who go out of their way to always put a negative slant on Biden
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 05:25 PM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

bluewater

(5,376 posts)
3. All text in the OP is from The Hill's article.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 05:28 PM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

still_one

(92,409 posts)
4. That may be, but some folks actually go out of their way looking for such negative slants, instead
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 05:31 PM
Jul 2019

of just presenting the poll results.

and putting emphasis on one part, but minimizing the other part:

"Yet the poll continues to show Biden with a double digit lead over Sanders, and he has more than twice the support of Harris and more than three times the support of Warren to this point.
The Hill-HarrisX poll surveyed 1,003 voters between July 12 and July 13. The sampling margin of error of plus or minus 3.1 percentage points."

I wonder why that is?

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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
5. The OP simply quotes the FIRST 6 paragraphs of The HIll's article.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 05:45 PM
Jul 2019

No snipping nor jumping around was done in the OP.

The first 6 paragraphs of the article were quoted in order.

The posting guidelines on DU say that for copyright reasons quotes should be limited to about 4 paragraph.
I thought I could post 6 to include results for Buttigieg and O'Rourke since the paragraphs were fairly short.

The Hill article made a point of emphasizing the trend of Biden's support dropping in the Hill-HarrisX poll, they stressed this in the headline, the lead paragraph and the third paragraph.

They also made a point in the 6th paragraph to stress that Biden, Warren and Harris were in a statistical tie, all being within the poll's margin of error.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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still_one

(92,409 posts)
7. Really? I sure didn't see any bold highlighting in the article, and those wishing to present a
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 05:57 PM
Jul 2019

fully balanced view of the article, would have used "...……………..", followed by the last two lines of the article.

The BOLD HIGHTLIGHTING really does the trick

"Yet the poll continues to show Biden with a double digit lead over Sanders, and he has more than twice the support of Harris and more than three times the support of Warren to this point.
The Hill-HarrisX poll surveyed 1,003 voters between July 12 and July 13. The sampling margin of error of plus or minus 3.1 percentage points."

As an aside, from my perspective, national polls mean very little, since that isn't how primaries or general elections are done

State polls have more weighting, though it is still a long way off until the primaries



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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
11. I thought the trend of Biden losing support that the article stressed was worth highlighting.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 06:08 PM
Jul 2019
It was the major point in The Hill's HEADLINE, and FIRST and THIRD paragraphs in the article.

The Hill stating that Biden, Warren and Harris were in a statistical tie also seemed worth highlighting.

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still_one

(92,409 posts)
12. I don't buy that a trend has been established. It is too early in the process, and there is too
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 06:11 PM
Jul 2019

volatility involved at this stage

IMHO


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onetexan

(13,061 posts)
6. um...Joe is still ahead by double digits and 1 point below 30 is within the margin of error
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 05:54 PM
Jul 2019

headline makes it sounds like he's losing badly

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still_one

(92,409 posts)
8. The last to lines of the article actually set things straight, and the BOLD HIGHLIGHTING presented
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 05:59 PM
Jul 2019

in the OP, are NOT in the article at all

"Yet the poll continues to show Biden with a double digit lead over Sanders, and he has more than twice the support of Harris and more than three times the support of Warren to this point.
The Hill-HarrisX poll surveyed 1,003 voters between July 12 and July 13. The sampling margin of error of plus or minus 3.1 percentage points."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

bluewater

(5,376 posts)
9. The Hill's headline seems to be stressing the trend in the Hill-HarrisX polling
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 06:01 PM
Jul 2019

Which is more important?

The Lead or The Trend?



Let's ALL celebrate the poll results!




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primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to bluewater (Original post)

Response to Celerity (Reply #10)

 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
18. It stops making sense when you see 16% are strong republican
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 07:23 PM
Jul 2019

I dobt think they will vote in a democratic primary...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

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highplainsdem

(49,041 posts)
37. See reply 35, if you haven't yet You misread the poll. Sigh.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 09:54 PM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Celerity

(43,532 posts)
39. already acknowledged this and deleted, cheers nt
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 09:55 PM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

highplainsdem

(49,041 posts)
36. See my reply 35. No Republicans were asked which Democratic candidate they'd vote for.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 09:50 PM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

highplainsdem

(49,041 posts)
35. You read the wrong part of the internal numbers. Check the top table. Biden was the choice of
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 09:49 PM
Jul 2019

128 of the 446 Democrats and independents (I'm guessing these were independent who identified as leaning Democratic, since that's usually what pollsters ask when polling on primaries) who were asked whom they'd vote for in the Democratic primary.

The pollster did NOT ask that question of Republicans.

Look at the VERY FIRST line of the table.

Anyway, of the 446 people polled, 371 were Democrats and 75 were independents.



112 self-identified as Strong liberal. Biden got 28 of those (see the second line of that table), for 25% of that most liberal group.

124 Lean liberal. 33 of those for Biden, or 27%.

174 Moderate, and 55 of those for Biden, or 32%.

24 Lean conservative (as some Democrats do), with Biden getting 6 of those. The table says that's 27%, but it looks like 25% to me.

12 identifying as Strong conservative, with Biden getting 4 of those, or 33%

So of the 128 people polled from Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents who chose Biden, 61 were liberals, 55 were moderates, and 10 were conservative.


PLEASE read polls more carefully before posting about them here.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Celerity

(43,532 posts)
38. fair enough, one of my very few errors, the way the table is set up it is very hard to read, I will
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 09:54 PM
Jul 2019

self-delete.

My fault for trying to reply from the underground.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

highplainsdem

(49,041 posts)
40. I'll agree that the poll is very hard to read. But I knew the top numbers shown for the poll had to
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 10:00 PM
Jul 2019

be from only Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents.

It was a damn nuisance scrolling back and forth to find the numbers I needed. I wish The Hill would publish those internal numbers the way other pollsters do.

Anyway, thanks for correcting/deleting your post.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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SouthernProgressive

(1,810 posts)
13. I'm a bit surprised we have an unchallenged front runner at this point.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 06:16 PM
Jul 2019

No way it stands given today’s media. That’s bad news for Biden and good news for the rest of the field. Really shows you how respected Biden is by so many.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

highplainsdem

(49,041 posts)
43. I think it's remarkable that Biden's held on to this much of a lead despite so many rivals, and so
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 10:07 PM
Jul 2019

many attacks being made on him from the left as well as the right.

It can't be credibly argued any more that this is just name recognition, that voters aren't aware of the other candidates. They're aware of them. And Biden still has 2-3 times the support of his three closest rivals.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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JI7

(89,271 posts)
45. what do you mean unchallenged ? there are many challenging him
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 10:10 PM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

SouthernProgressive

(1,810 posts)
46. Has anyone even been close to the MOE...
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 10:19 PM
Jul 2019

On a consistent basis? Or on any basis nationally?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

highplainsdem

(49,041 posts)
48. Except for some outliers, no. Joe's maintained a lead well outside the MOE for months.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 10:22 PM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

highplainsdem

(49,041 posts)
47. I'm guessing SouthernProgressive is referring to Joe maintaining his lead, rather than the lead
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 10:21 PM
Jul 2019

going back and forth between two or more candidates.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
14. Not that I have much faith in polls, but that is bad news for Biden
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 06:46 PM
Jul 2019

to be consistently dropping in the polls all the time. I think the only thing keeping him afloat is because there are so many candidates still in the pool. Once a bunch of them start dropping out, the other top 3 or 4 candidates will benefit at the expense of Biden, and Joe's lead will most likely vanish. If his numbers don't start increasing by early August, I think it's curtains for him by October.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,123 posts)
29. No question & its only down from here after Joe's latest proposed incremental changes to Obamacare.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 09:10 PM
Jul 2019

Any candidate who doesn't sign on to some version of Bernie's Medicare For All healthcare plan has no chance of winning the primary.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
16. Why are all the other candidates making it more complicated for Biden to win?...nt
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 07:07 PM
Jul 2019

Sid

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

zackymilly

(2,375 posts)
27. Just who do they think they are? nt
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 08:54 PM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,123 posts)
30. It's Joe who's making it more complicated for himself.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 09:13 PM
Jul 2019

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
17. Joe is fading
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 07:11 PM
Jul 2019

Exponentially.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

mobeau69

(11,156 posts)
19. It's not Joe's fault.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 07:23 PM
Jul 2019

He's just getting too much exposure. What the hell are is handlers thinking?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
20. He isnt great at running for president.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 07:25 PM
Jul 2019

On the other hand, he is great at running for vice president!

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

mobeau69

(11,156 posts)
23. I could be part of a winning doubles team against NCAA scholarship players
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 07:28 PM
Jul 2019

if Rafael Nadal was my partner.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

zackymilly

(2,375 posts)
28. Joe's handlers need to hide him between the debates. nt.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 08:54 PM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,123 posts)
31. I'm a little surprised by that, but, at some point, they have to put Joe out there...
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 09:17 PM
Jul 2019

even as his poll numbers go down.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
44. That's taking a big chance, though. Joe's at his best when he isn't around
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 10:08 PM
Jul 2019

He did great before he could make up his mind whether or not he was going to enter the race, but as soon as he got in it and got exposure, he started to sink like crazy. I wouldn't be surprised if his handlers convince him to call in sick for the next debate. I think that's the only way he can prevent his numbers from going into a free fall.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,123 posts)
50. That's crazy!! No way Joe misses the next debate...that would be the end of his campaign.
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 08:46 AM
Jul 2019

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
21. As other candidates fall under the scrutiny Biden has been subject to, we will see how things go.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 07:27 PM
Jul 2019

It also appears that Biden will continue to draw contrasts between the progressive agenda for health care and his own proposal, which is to leave the very popular ACA in place and to
improve it.


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gustafo

(26 posts)
25. HarrisX is run by Scott Rasmussen
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 08:03 PM
Jul 2019

Yup.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

padah513

(2,506 posts)
26. The daily Biden post
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 08:11 PM
Jul 2019

...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

highplainsdem

(49,041 posts)
32. It can also be viewed as Biden's support being greater than the support for his two closest rivals
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 09:25 PM
Jul 2019

combined.

Biden has nearly twice the support Sanders has.

Nearly three times the support Harris has, despite all the media attention she got for her attack on him in the debate.

And more than three times the support Warren has.

As I recall, there were lots of predictions that once voters got a better look at our candidates in the debates, the polls would look entirely different.

The other candidates got that attention.

Biden still has a clear, commanding lead.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(32,794 posts)
33. Indeed same posters saying he was toast following the debate are back with the same predictions
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 09:45 PM
Jul 2019

Yet he still maintains a substantial lead over his opponents. Continues to have a sizable lead in the AA community.

No one doubted that his bump would level off from the high he enjoyed following his bid announcement.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
51. Hearing more people say
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 08:51 AM
Jul 2019

Joe Biden is not progressive enough and leaving him now. His support dropping May only worsen because of his poor showings.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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underpants

(182,883 posts)
53. Bogus poll - no mention of Marianne Williamson
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 08:56 AM
Jul 2019

👎

If I were to vote in a presidential
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