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Ian Sams @IanSams 11h11 hours ago
He does not support the federal legalization of marijuana
from the Nevada Independent:
On marijuana and the criminal justice system
Biden reiterated his support for decriminalizing marijuana nationwide and rescheduling it as a Schedule II drug to make it easier to conduct medical research. But he said he does not support the federal legalization of marijuana and that the issue should be left up to the states. (Ten states, including Nevada, and the District of Columbia have legalized recreational marijuana use.)
Theres been no long-term studies, Biden said. I would not curtail the states rights to make those decisions, but I would not make that federal decision until those studies are finished.
Asked why the decision should be left up to the states when studies have shown that people of color are disproportionately incarcerated for marijuana-related offenses, Biden said because its a state law.
The federal government cannot impose state law. You cant come, in the federal government, and say that this is what you do, Biden said. What you do is you hold accountable those departments and those agencies which in fact do not in fact enforce the law equally.
read: https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/biden-says-democratic-millennials-are-not-a-generation-of-socialists-draws-distinction-with-sanders-on-health-care
...I'm not convinced how the federal government would be able to "hold accountable those departments and those agencies which in fact do not in fact enforce the law equally without federal legalization legislation. What this approach does is leave those now vulnerable to disproportionate enforcement of pot laws at the mercy of states which insist on targeting and penalizing people for smoking pot.
He also seems to be saying that we need to 'study' the effects of pot before deciding on legalization, an untenable position, given how long pot's been around.
This approach leaves people in states without progressive pot laws out in the cold.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Voltaire2
(13,095 posts)we need a candidate for the future not the past.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ProfessionalLeft
(83 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)want someone that can kick the asshole currently in the White House out, whomever that might be. I'm still undecided and will support 100% whomever the democratic nominee might be.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)We need to nominate a progressive candidate... Bernie/Elizabeth, in either order, have the best chance of soundly defeating the Nazi-in-Chief!!
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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NYMinute
(3,256 posts)Biden would lose over Marijuana because Trump is so supportive of legalizing it?
It is a critical issue for no one -- except people with a Biden derangement syndrome
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,833 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,433 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,433 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SunSeeker
(51,607 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TexasTowelie
(112,323 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,411 posts)In the last 30 years, how many Democratic or Republican candidates for president have lost 45 states?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)don't they?
Warren is certainly a rising star, while Sanders... a recent poll showed only 25% of his 2016 supporters are supporting him again.
Where did you get your "Biden would lose 45 states" statistic from? Can you provide a link?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Cue "I already posted it, but I'm just not going to tell you where I did. But I did!!!"
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)Bringing young people into the process. There is a long learning curve but welcome aboard. I'm convinced that the more you read and learn the more you will become a Democrat to the core.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
duforsure
(11,885 posts)Others running will bring this out and he'll lose more support for this losing position, which trump if given the chance will use it to hurt and criminalize more minorities with. Joe is stuck in the past, and with other policies too. He lose more voters now.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
zackymilly
(2,375 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
CountAllVotes
(20,877 posts)Anita Hill comes to mind.
Joe was in his prime at that time.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Supporting those allegations with objective evidence and hard data, consistently applied to all candidates is just way too hard.
Here's hoping the back of your t-shirt says something with a cool-looking font. "Keep on truckin'!" is already taken in case you didn't know.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Voltaire2
(13,095 posts)with respect to his policies?
I can understand the argument about electability, I disagree, but I understand that many people think he is the 'safe' choice.
But his policy positions are just plain out of step.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
crazytown
(7,277 posts)'Oh man', as Joe would say. There are elegant and persuasive arguments for leaving ultimate legalization (ie regulation of sale) up to the States, but this isn't one of them.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)years. Just how long term is long term. Yet another WTF. I have lots of those each day. It's as bad as a friend once drinking away on alcohol telling me pot is a gateway drug. Yet another WTF, as they got smashed. Alcohol is far far more dangerous than pot could ever be. And ... the aggressive drunks on alcohol.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)A huge amount of dollars has gone into them, for little return to prohibitionists. There is a sensible argument for saying sale and taxation is a matter for the states, but Biden is straying back into ancient history.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
GReedDiamond
(5,314 posts)Media Ignored Experts Shocking Findings That Marijuana Helps Prevent Lung Cancer: Now Its Med-School Material
"Tashkin and colleagues at UCLA conducted a major study in which they measured lung function of various cohorts over eight years and found that tobacco-only smokers had an accelerated rate of decline, but marijuana smokers even if they smoked tobacco as well experienced the same rate of decline as non-smokers. The more tobacco smoked, the greater the rate of decline, said Tashkin. In contrast, no matter how much marijuana was smoked, the rate of decline was similar to normal. Tashkin concluded that his and other studies do not support the concept that regular smoking of marijuana leads to COPD.
https://patients4medicalmarijuana.wordpress.com/2013/03/16/media-ignored-experts-shocking-findings-that-marijuana-helps-prevent-lung-cancer-now-its-med-school-material/#more-6462
I was one of the non-tobacco smoking participants, back in the 1980s, and a few years later, I received a letter from the study indicating that my lungs were in better condition than the average non-smoking resident of the Los Angeles area.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)Harvard University researchers have found that, in both laboratory and mouse studies, delta-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) cuts tumor growth in half in common lung cancer while impeding the cancer's ability to spread.
The compound "seems to have a suppressive effect on certain lines of cancer cells," explained Dr. Len Horovitz, a pulmonary specialist at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City.
According to the researchers, THC fights lung cancer by curbing epidermal growth factor (EGF), a molecule that promotes the growth and spread of particularly aggressive non-small cell lung cancers. "It seems to go to (EGF) receptor sites on cells and inhibit growth," said Horovitz, who was not involved in the study.
Marijuana cuts lung cancer tumor growth in half, study shows
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/04/070417193338.htm
The "authorities" have been aware of this since the mid '70s, when they closed down ongoing research.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
duforsure
(11,885 posts)But they also funded studies in Israel for years which also had amazing results. There have been many long term studies done, but Joe is still living in the past , and this will do nothing but hurt his chances by ignoring it any longer, and allowing people to profit from it with the private prison industry , and big pharma who has paid politicians to be against it for quite a while now. Joe is going to either change his position on it soon, or lose a lot more votes. I think with a huge majority in this country wanting full legalization now on it now, and growing , he will not do well enough. He's stuck in the past, while the other candidates aren't.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Autumn
(45,120 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
questionseverything
(9,657 posts)huge mistake
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Autumn
(45,120 posts)he will lose some older voters. Anyone who needs to wait for years for a study is delusional, there have been studies and they have been ignored. Banks are Federal. We have a problem here with our shops being able to use banks, leaving it to the states is silly.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
questionseverything
(9,657 posts)people are still going to prison in regressive states over pot and that is a HUGE waste of money
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Autumn
(45,120 posts)marijuana-related offenses and it's okay because it's a state law is bullshit and offensive.
We see how well holding those departments and agencies which in fact do not enforce the law equally work. All he has to do is look at the AG's office, that's a sterling example showing that fairy tale belief of accountability isn't going to work and there are a dozen other agencies that the Republicans have stacked with idiots hell-bent on destroying those agencies.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
I don't have to wait around to read some report, I know from my own experience that high CBD marijuana helps me with my pain, and I also know for a fact that my son has seen great success with marijuana helping him with his stomach problems, and with anxiety issues.
Other countries have been doing research for years, and have documented the benefits of using marijuana for many health issues.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,120 posts)We have a plethora of candidates who know that the federal legalization of marijuana is the right thing to do.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Or was it simply a guess?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
questionseverything
(9,657 posts)the response was so negative and I am in Illinois
I was honestly afraid Illinois might not go blue
so just my life experiences no official data
but if you think biden being against making mj legal and wanting to reinstate the penalty for not having insurance is a winning ticket we are in HUGE trouble
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
duforsure
(11,885 posts)And also the older crowd has learned how well it works with many issues , and growing support every day for complete legalization. Joe's missing the boat already.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
questionseverything
(9,657 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)They phased it in over a year's time to get it all straightened out. Since then, deaths from opiates have dropped significantly.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,120 posts)who knows. It works great on nerve pain and yes it can be used to wean people off opiates. I would love to go see my sisters in TX but I won't go to a state where I can't get my medication.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
dflprincess
(28,081 posts)this is just another item that makes him look so out of touch.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
duforsure
(11,885 posts)He is out of touch , and is ignoring many studies, and the majority of the people, and growing, who are now for complete legalization. As more people realize his position , they will look to other candidates who are behind full legalization, and he'll lose votes.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
theaocp
(4,243 posts)I thank the universe for it every day. It's a slam dunk, Biden. When you're given an out, take it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
crazytown
(7,277 posts)every single day of my life
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
roody
(10,849 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Nuggets
(525 posts)Heres a ten yr study funded by the DEA who were desperate to prove marijuana caused cancer.
Dr Tashkin found that Not only did it not cause cancer but it actually had a preventative affect
Not a word from the DEA.
Study: Smoking Marijuana Not Linked with Lung Damage
Marijuana smokers performed better on tests of lung function compared to nonsmokers and cigarette smokers
http://healthland.time.com/2012/01/10/study-smoking-marijuana-not-linked-with-lung-damage/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
duforsure
(11,885 posts)And he did say it slightly reduced lung cancer , with tobacco smokers , and even with people who have never smoked. Also the US has subsidized studies done in Israel , which has also shown it works against many other cancers, and have more than enough evidence its very effective without any deaths ever from its use. Big pharma can't say that, and why they paid politicians to oppose its legalization so much.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Nuggets
(525 posts)Many in the industry dont want any cures, they make billions off of giving patients comfort until they pass and drain their families bank accounts.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
secondwind
(16,903 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sienna86
(2,149 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Applegate
(96 posts)Then we can watch South Carolina and South Dakota fight to see who will be the last state to legalize it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Voltaire2
(13,095 posts)for simple possession at the state level.
I suppose we could just let jesusland continue to devolve, it just doesnt seem fair.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Autumn
(45,120 posts)no sense. Staes can legalize it but it would still be illegal at the Federal level. Marajuana shop owners can't use banks and marijuana is still considered a Schedule 1 drug by the DEA and people can still be prosecuted for it. Marijuana needs to be legalized on the federal level. Leaving it to the states leaves the conflict in place.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
obamanut2012
(26,087 posts)Cancer patients vaping so they can EAT have to pay cash at legal shops because the Feds consider them criminals, and it's illegal to use their debit cards. It is stupid AF.
It also means you cannot take your LEGAL medication on a trip. It is illegal to get on a plane with it or travel across state lines with your legal medication.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Progressive83
(8 posts)if he can't support something that the overwhelming majority people do if even just for political expediency he shouldn't be our nominee.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Applegate
(96 posts)Get with the program, man!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,376 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
rollin74
(1,984 posts)making it a schedule 2 would still leave tens of millions of Americans vulnerable to potential felony prosecution for no good reason
Biden is out of touch with popular opinion, the Democratic base and is stuck in the past
recent polls show that at least half of republicans now support recreational marijuana legalization and a large majority of Democrats, independents and, especially, younger voters want it legalized
federal prohibition needs to end. only then will Americans (even in legal states) be truly free from the threat of criminal prosecution and possible life destroying consequences that come with having a criminal record for using a god damn plant
we have a real chance of seeing the end of federal prohibition within the next few years. Let's not fuck it up!
a policy that continues to threaten responsible adult cannabis users with the possibilty of prosecution, fines, jail and living with a criminal record is unacceptable
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Celerity
(43,462 posts)hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
SEPTEMBER 24, 1957
President Eisenhower Speech on Little Rock
President Dwight D. Eisenhower announced to the nation that he was sending federal troops to Little Rock, Arkansas, to protect the safety of nine students attempting to integrate Central High School.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)We need to move forward on this issue, not backward.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Marijuana should be decriminalized everywhere, but legalization should be a state by state choice. For states that don't make recreational marijuana legal, the penalty for being caught with it without a medical card should be a misdemeanor punishable by a fine, no jail time.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)calling for legalization could hurt, rather than help. I'd guess it would be better left alone.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)First we should not be using "States Rights" as a rallying cry. Second, it has to be descheduled at the federal level before states can truly make progress. There haven't been long term studies because it's status prevents those studies from happening. To make a study like that you need funding, much funding comes from federal grants. Those grants won't go to illegal substance studies over a long term.
He's advocating for no progress and hoping no one will notice his dishonest position.
"He Joe, the current state of Federal marijuana legislation is racist" "LOL idc"
This reveals that he's either dishonest, or clueless, neither is acceptable.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
madville
(7,412 posts)He is correct. Decriminalizing or legalizing at the federal level does not prevent state laws from keeping it illegal. 99% of marijuana arrests are made at the local and state level under state laws so it is primarily a state-level issue. Alcohol is legal at the federal level (with the right permits, etc) but many states have stricter restrictions and some counties are still dry in this country.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)Then he knows that it doesn't matter what the states do if it's illegal at the federal level. California had it legalized for medical use back in the 90's, the feds still conducted raids in accordance to federal, not state laws. The state laws directed local enforcement to not cooperate with the feds, but that wasn't even enforced fairly.
So either he doesn't know how the laws work, or he's being dishonest about it. Take your pick.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Autumn
(45,120 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)If he wants to run on an I'll informed states rights platform he can go right ahead.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Autumn
(45,120 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
mtnsnake
(22,236 posts)The pharmaceutical industry must love Joe for this.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Andy823
(11,495 posts)has always been against marijuana because they know it has medical uses that could cut into their huge profits every year. They push their products that are highly addictive for a reason, the customers keep coming back for more. Marijuana will work just as well without the addiction, or health risks.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mtnsnake
(22,236 posts)The corrupt and greedy pharmaceutical industry stands to lose a ton of money if marijuana is legalized across the board. It's unbelievable to think that in this day and age that anyone can drink all the alcohol they want but marijuana is still outlawed in so many places.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tirebiter
(2,538 posts)Taking it off the schedule 1 list is what needs be done and he supports that. Bingo! I preferred the medical status in California. Making it recreational has led to problems, more expensive, and screwed growers. I do not mind if another state does it better. Changing laws on a state level is a lot easier than fighting it out nationally.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Voltaire2
(13,095 posts)And it isn't fine. The federal prohibition status keep pot businesses cash only, which makes them targets for robbery. Travel between states with pot is potentially a serious crime. The 'tacit agreement' can be violated at any time, so everyone involved in state businesses is potentially at risk for prosecution by the feds.
Schedule 2 is not the answer either.
However, simply moving marijuana to a less restrictive
schedule would not protect existing state medical
marijuana programs or change federal penalties for
possessing, cultivating and distributing marijuana. It
would not prevent people from being arrested and
punished for using marijuana. Nor would it remove
obstacles to research or force the DEA and NIDA to
allow research to move forward. Even if vital research
were permitted, the FDA approval process would take
several years, perhaps decades.
https://www.drugpolicy.org/sites/default/files/marijuana-scheduling_january_2019_0.pdf
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)Poor people who live in public housing are still vulnerable to federal prohibition and can be evicted even in states/locales that have decriminalized.
This is terrible for disabled people and those who are not white.
Anyone who understands the current situation with opioids and truly wants to help should support full legalization because marijuana is a less dangerous alternative for both medical and recreational users.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Victory would be ours.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TeamPooka
(24,237 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Princetonian
(1,501 posts)This kind of issue is so negligible right now as to be asinine when contemplating the shitstain who is in the Oval Office.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)And in states where it's legal, it's really legal. Like, across from the local Jack-in-the-Box at the end of the block legal. So I don't think this is going to be an issue at all, except as a wedge issue, in which case Biden is well advised not to go near it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueWI
(1,736 posts)66% support legalization, probably half of the remaining 33% don't care.
There's a point where the train has left the station. Standing on the platform at that point is pointless.
And of course, the remaining state prohibitions provide legal cover for unequal sentencing by race, including in Southern states where legalization has not occurred.
Biden is behind schedule on this issue and seems quite comfortable being behind. It is what it is.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)it legal and if in a state where it isnt legal still can.
What is this not the future of the party over pot, like the party is some 1960s rock band.
Its such a moot issue. Sure, means medical professionals cant smoke it. They are random tested
and can lose their licenses. Well, pot is so many more times potent today than decades ago that personally I dont mind if pilots and surgeons have to be tested.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)and it's a growing commercial issue. Billions of dollars are at stake, and the lives of too many minorities are in the balance here. It is a very important issue, and Biden is clueless.
also, wtf is with the last paragraph? It makes no sense. No one should be tested for pot (or any drug) without cause. What does potency have to do with it? Found a nice moral panic to hang on to?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
rollin74
(1,984 posts)nearly 6% of all arrests in the nation are over weed. In some jurisdictions, it accounts for as much as 20% of arrests
sorry, it is NOT a moot issue
Moving cannabis to a schedule 2 controlled substance won't stop people from being arrested for it. Methamphetamine, cocaine, fentanyl, etc. fall under that same category.
Legal cannabis is considered to be the fastest growing, job creating industry in the United States. Over 200,000 people are employed in legal weed and that number is rising quickly.
federal prohibition needs to end
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)in some liberal localities decades before pot was getting legalized in various states. Police simply
stopped arresting people for possessing pot to use for themselves.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)In others people will be. And it's all moot, as you say, until it's descheduled at the federal level. The feds can still come in and arrest people. Plus universities are forbidden from doing anything with it (big problem in the agriculture field) vets can't use it military can't use it, all manner or people are still prevented for no reason.
But they can still drink themselves to death.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
aikoaiko
(34,178 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
obamanut2012
(26,087 posts)And, even with MMJ we have to pay in cash because it is illegal on a Federal level. People can still be arrested on Federal charges. This ship has sailed, and ANYONE of ANY AGE saying it shouldn't be 100% legalized needs to check themselves and become educated.
Or, at least not be a hypocrite and fight to make alcohol illegal (I do not think it should be, of course).
JFC even that wingnut DeSantis sees how much money MMJ is bringing in down here and leaves us alone. and doesn't try and pull our cards.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
marlakay
(11,480 posts)And by chance I have lived in all 3 since. I was in WA when it passed then lived in CA a few years now in Oregon.
Nothing has changed, no more crime, I notice no difference other than passing one of the stores and people are happy they dont have to hide it now.
Basically who ever wanted it, did anyway but it feels good to be legal.
I dont smoke it but my hubby does and it makes him happy in his retirement, his fav thing to do at night is smoke pot and play music which he has drums, and other instruments to play along.
I will say he thinks hes better than he is but I smile knowing hes happy. Not hurting anyone.
your not allowed to do it in public anyway you have to be home so no worries of driving. And pot unlike booze makes you drive slow not fast. And you get mellow and happy not angry.
Its a good thing and Joe needs to see it that way but I doubt he will change, my father didnt until he got cancer but he died before it was legal in CA so he never got any.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided