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bigtree

(86,005 posts)
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 09:12 AM Jul 2019

"He does not support the federal legalization of marijuana"

Ian Sams @IanSams 11h11 hours ago
“He does not support the federal legalization of marijuana”


from the Nevada Independent:

On marijuana and the criminal justice system

Biden reiterated his support for decriminalizing marijuana nationwide and rescheduling it as a Schedule II drug to make it easier to conduct medical research. But he said he does not support the federal legalization of marijuana and that the issue should be left up to the states. (Ten states, including Nevada, and the District of Columbia have legalized recreational marijuana use.)

“There’s been no long-term studies,” Biden said. “I would not curtail the state’s rights to make those decisions, but I would not make that federal decision until those studies are finished.”

Asked why the decision should be left up to the states when studies have shown that people of color are disproportionately incarcerated for marijuana-related offenses, Biden said “because it’s a state law.”

“The federal government cannot impose state law. You can’t come, in the federal government, and say that this is what you do,” Biden said. “What you do is you hold accountable those departments and those agencies which in fact do not in fact enforce the law equally.”

read: https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/biden-says-democratic-millennials-are-not-a-generation-of-socialists-draws-distinction-with-sanders-on-health-care



...I'm not convinced how the federal government would be able to "hold accountable those departments and those agencies which in fact do not in fact enforce the law equally” without federal legalization legislation. What this approach does is leave those now vulnerable to disproportionate enforcement of pot laws at the mercy of states which insist on targeting and penalizing people for smoking pot.

He also seems to be saying that we need to 'study' the effects of pot before deciding on legalization, an untenable position, given how long pot's been around.

This approach leaves people in states without progressive pot laws out in the cold.
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"He does not support the federal legalization of marijuana" (Original Post) bigtree Jul 2019 OP
Joe is stuck in the 90s. Voltaire2 Jul 2019 #1
Dig it. ProfessionalLeft Jul 2019 #3
Better that than the 60s. George II Jul 2019 #4
Yeah, I get the feeling voting for Joe is voting for old school times. At the same time, I RKP5637 Jul 2019 #12
Biden could lose up to 45 states with positions like this & others... that's my worry. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2019 #28
Joe doesn't get some/all of it IMO. Times have changed a lot. n/t RKP5637 Jul 2019 #38
Without a doubt!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2019 #46
bwahahahahhahahahahaha NYMinute Jul 2019 #45
Gothmog would be amused at the spin on his line ;) sheshe2 Jul 2019 #55
If sanders is the nominee, trump will win 45+ states in the real world Gothmog Jul 2019 #56
;) sheshe2 Jul 2019 #57
Joe Biden is the most electable candidate that the Democrats have available Gothmog Jul 2019 #67
I agree. nt SunSeeker Jul 2019 #92
Was there an honor code where you attended school? nt TexasTowelie Jul 2019 #61
What 45 states would he lose? BannonsLiver Jul 2019 #65
Candidates need to be able to win the Democratic Primary in order to run in the General ehrnst Jul 2019 #72
Crickets on where you got the "45 states" stat... ehrnst Jul 2019 #73
This is an area where Sanders really has done some positive work. SouthernProgressive Jul 2019 #74
I agree duforsure Jul 2019 #14
Joe will check the wind, and if it blows hard enough, he will change his mind on this too. n/t zackymilly Jul 2019 #58
more like 1980s CountAllVotes Jul 2019 #36
T-shirt slogans are easy and fun LanternWaste Jul 2019 #49
Do you honestly disagree with the characterization that Biden is basically stuck in the 90s Voltaire2 Jul 2019 #51
"There's been no long-term studies" crazytown Jul 2019 #2
It seems like there have been endless studies on pot, and it's been around for what, thousands of RKP5637 Jul 2019 #13
If there were studies proving pot was toxic, we would have heard about them. crazytown Jul 2019 #15
Yep, agree 10,000% plus - n/t RKP5637 Jul 2019 #16
I was a participant in this study, conducted by Dr. Donald Tashkin... GReedDiamond Jul 2019 #24
Yes. "Marijuana Compound May Fight Lung Cancer" crazytown Jul 2019 #25
They allowed him to do this thinking it would show negative results against pot, it didn't duforsure Jul 2019 #78
This message was self-deleted by its author Autumn Jul 2019 #5
Stay in the past Joe, the rest of us have moved on. Autumn Jul 2019 #6
i think this is a big reason the youth didnt come out for us in 2016 questionseverything Jul 2019 #29
And at the rate we old people are using marijuana because it works on pain Autumn Jul 2019 #32
i agree completely besides questionseverything Jul 2019 #34
Yes they are. His response to POC being disproportionately incarcerated because of Autumn Jul 2019 #35
Yep Andy823 Jul 2019 #40
We have been stuck in the past with their ridiculous "prohibition". No more. Autumn Jul 2019 #41
What data do you have that supports that premise? LanternWaste Jul 2019 #50
i did calling to get out the vote and i heard this complained about from people over and over questionseverything Jul 2019 #53
I agree duforsure Jul 2019 #79
biden and harris both...neither supports legalization questionseverything Jul 2019 #91
Is he aware that CANADA just legalized pot ? Haggis for Breakfast Jul 2019 #31
I'm not sure, but he still thinks that Republicans will work with Democrats so Autumn Jul 2019 #33
I agree dflprincess Jul 2019 #76
I agree duforsure Jul 2019 #80
I'll volunteer to show the results of longterm use. theaocp Jul 2019 #7
Ooo Did I tell you I need you, crazytown Jul 2019 #10
Me too. 45 years more or less. roody Jul 2019 #30
There have been plenty of studies. Nuggets Jul 2019 #8
I watched Dr Taskins explain his finding I think on a You Tube video duforsure Jul 2019 #82
Cancer is big biz Nuggets Jul 2019 #86
This should be a state issue, imho secondwind Jul 2019 #9
But banking needs are federal and affect the industry n/t Sienna86 Jul 2019 #11
Absolutely!!! n/t RKP5637 Jul 2019 #17
Yes, and that's precisely why federal marijuana prohibition needs to end. Applegate Jul 2019 #21
100 of thousands are arrested every year Voltaire2 Jul 2019 #27
Biden is for "decriminalizing" marijuana nationwide and leaving it to the states. That makes Autumn Jul 2019 #60
Wrong - why do you think we have to pay cash for it? obamanut2012 Jul 2019 #71
Over 75% of Democrats support legalization, 2/3 of Americans overall Progressive83 Jul 2019 #18
The train is leaving the station, and Joe is dawdling on the platform. Applegate Jul 2019 #19
Joe is definitely behind the times on this one, and looks out of touch. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2019 #20
Cannabis needs to be de-scheduled not simply moved from Schedule 1 to Schedule 2 rollin74 Jul 2019 #22
"The federal government cannot impose state law. You can't come, in the federal government, and say Celerity Jul 2019 #23
Marijuana legalization is very popular in the democratic party DesertRat Jul 2019 #26
I am ok with Biden's position. Blue_true Jul 2019 #37
He could change his mind on that, but more likely a presidential campaign... TreasonousBastard Jul 2019 #39
Thi sis a clueless position Lordquinton Jul 2019 #42
Biden actually knows how federal and state laws work? madville Jul 2019 #43
If he knows how federal and state laws work Lordquinton Jul 2019 #44
He can keep it up as far as I'm concerned, it's a losing issue. Autumn Jul 2019 #48
I mean, I'm not complaining Lordquinton Jul 2019 #75
I don't mind it at all. Autumn Jul 2019 #83
Joe's lack of empathy for folks who want to smoke a little weed without going to jail is alarming. mtnsnake Jul 2019 #47
The pharmaceutical industry Andy823 Jul 2019 #68
Yes, exactly. mtnsnake Jul 2019 #69
We are doing fine with it as a state issue tirebiter Jul 2019 #52
Only because there is a tacit agreement to mostly leave the states alone. Voltaire2 Jul 2019 #54
Not everyone loyalsister Jul 2019 #84
Medicare at 55 and legalization at the federal level. SMC22307 Jul 2019 #59
Reason #1 why Biden is not the future of this party TeamPooka Jul 2019 #62
I could care less. Let's get Chump out of office. Princetonian Jul 2019 #63
People in states without pot laws are probably not going to care much about pot laws. ucrdem Jul 2019 #64
It's gone far beyond a wedge issue. BlueWI Jul 2019 #66
I hope he stays out of it. Decriminalizing is fine. Every one could get pot before their state made emmaverybo Jul 2019 #77
It's a bigger issue than most people are willing to admit Lordquinton Jul 2019 #81
"it's such a moot issue". Over 650,000 Americans per year are arrested on cannabis charges. rollin74 Jul 2019 #87
They will not be arrested when pot is decriminalized. Such has been the case for many many years emmaverybo Jul 2019 #89
In some places Lordquinton Jul 2019 #90
Quite the opposite. aikoaiko Jul 2019 #85
A majority of states now has legal weed in some form obamanut2012 Jul 2019 #70
The entire west coast has it marlakay Jul 2019 #88
 

Voltaire2

(13,095 posts)
1. Joe is stuck in the 90s.
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 09:15 AM
Jul 2019

we need a candidate for the future not the past.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
4. Better that than the 60s.
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 09:25 AM
Jul 2019
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RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
12. Yeah, I get the feeling voting for Joe is voting for old school times. At the same time, I
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 11:13 AM
Jul 2019

want someone that can kick the asshole currently in the White House out, whomever that might be. I'm still undecided and will support 100% whomever the democratic nominee might be.

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
28. Biden could lose up to 45 states with positions like this & others... that's my worry.
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 06:37 PM
Jul 2019

We need to nominate a progressive candidate... Bernie/Elizabeth, in either order, have the best chance of soundly defeating the Nazi-in-Chief!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

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RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
38. Joe doesn't get some/all of it IMO. Times have changed a lot. n/t
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 08:32 PM
Jul 2019
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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
46. Without a doubt!!
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 05:57 AM
Jul 2019

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
45. bwahahahahhahahahahaha
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 05:53 AM
Jul 2019


Biden would lose over Marijuana because Trump is so supportive of legalizing it?

It is a critical issue for no one -- except people with a Biden derangement syndrome
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sheshe2

(83,833 posts)
55. Gothmog would be amused at the spin on his line ;)
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 07:09 PM
Jul 2019
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Gothmog

(145,433 posts)
56. If sanders is the nominee, trump will win 45+ states in the real world
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 07:33 PM
Jul 2019
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Gothmog

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67. Joe Biden is the most electable candidate that the Democrats have available
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 11:29 PM
Jul 2019
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TexasTowelie

(112,323 posts)
61. Was there an honor code where you attended school? nt
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 07:52 PM
Jul 2019
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BannonsLiver

(16,411 posts)
65. What 45 states would he lose?
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 08:56 PM
Jul 2019

In the last 30 years, how many Democratic or Republican candidates for president have lost 45 states?

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
72. Candidates need to be able to win the Democratic Primary in order to run in the General
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 08:54 AM
Jul 2019

don't they?

Warren is certainly a rising star, while Sanders... a recent poll showed only 25% of his 2016 supporters are supporting him again.

Where did you get your "Biden would lose 45 states" statistic from? Can you provide a link?



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ehrnst

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73. Crickets on where you got the "45 states" stat...
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 03:27 PM
Jul 2019

Cue "I already posted it, but I'm just not going to tell you where I did. But I did!!!"

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SouthernProgressive

(1,810 posts)
74. This is an area where Sanders really has done some positive work.
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 03:41 PM
Jul 2019

Bringing young people into the process. There is a long learning curve but welcome aboard. I'm convinced that the more you read and learn the more you will become a Democrat to the core.

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duforsure

(11,885 posts)
14. I agree
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 11:18 AM
Jul 2019

Others running will bring this out and he'll lose more support for this losing position, which trump if given the chance will use it to hurt and criminalize more minorities with. Joe is stuck in the past, and with other policies too. He lose more voters now.

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zackymilly

(2,375 posts)
58. Joe will check the wind, and if it blows hard enough, he will change his mind on this too. n/t
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 07:42 PM
Jul 2019
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CountAllVotes

(20,877 posts)
36. more like 1980s
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 08:05 PM
Jul 2019

Anita Hill comes to mind.

Joe was in his prime at that time.



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LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
49. T-shirt slogans are easy and fun
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 03:45 PM
Jul 2019

Supporting those allegations with objective evidence and hard data, consistently applied to all candidates is just way too hard.

Here's hoping the back of your t-shirt says something with a cool-looking font. "Keep on truckin'!" is already taken in case you didn't know.

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Voltaire2

(13,095 posts)
51. Do you honestly disagree with the characterization that Biden is basically stuck in the 90s
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 04:02 PM
Jul 2019

with respect to his policies?

I can understand the argument about electability, I disagree, but I understand that many people think he is the 'safe' choice.

But his policy positions are just plain out of step.

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crazytown

(7,277 posts)
2. "There's been no long-term studies"
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 09:21 AM
Jul 2019

'Oh man', as Joe would say. There are elegant and persuasive arguments for leaving ultimate legalization (ie regulation of sale) up to the States, but this isn't one of them.

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RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
13. It seems like there have been endless studies on pot, and it's been around for what, thousands of
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 11:15 AM
Jul 2019

years. Just how long term is long term. Yet another WTF. I have lots of those each day. It's as bad as a friend once drinking away on alcohol telling me pot is a gateway drug. Yet another WTF, as they got smashed. Alcohol is far far more dangerous than pot could ever be. And ... the aggressive drunks on alcohol.

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crazytown

(7,277 posts)
15. If there were studies proving pot was toxic, we would have heard about them.
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 11:19 AM
Jul 2019

A huge amount of dollars has gone into them, for little return to prohibitionists. There is a sensible argument for saying sale and taxation is a matter for the states, but Biden is straying back into ancient history.

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RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
16. Yep, agree 10,000% plus - n/t
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 11:20 AM
Jul 2019
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GReedDiamond

(5,314 posts)
24. I was a participant in this study, conducted by Dr. Donald Tashkin...
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 06:25 PM
Jul 2019
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Tashkin

Media Ignored Expert’s Shocking Findings That Marijuana Helps Prevent Lung Cancer: Now It’s Med-School Material

"Tashkin and colleagues at UCLA conducted a major study in which they measured lung function of various cohorts over eight years and found that tobacco-only smokers had an accelerated rate of decline, but marijuana smokers — even if they smoked tobacco as well — experienced the same rate of decline as non-smokers. “The more tobacco smoked, the greater the rate of decline,” said Tashkin. “In contrast, no matter how much marijuana was smoked, the rate of decline was similar to normal.” Tashkin concluded that his and other studies “do not support the concept that regular smoking of marijuana leads to COPD.”

https://patients4medicalmarijuana.wordpress.com/2013/03/16/media-ignored-experts-shocking-findings-that-marijuana-helps-prevent-lung-cancer-now-its-med-school-material/#more-6462

I was one of the non-tobacco smoking participants, back in the 1980s, and a few years later, I received a letter from the study indicating that my lungs were in better condition than the average non-smoking resident of the Los Angeles area.

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crazytown

(7,277 posts)
25. Yes. "Marijuana Compound May Fight Lung Cancer"
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 06:33 PM
Jul 2019
TUESDAY, April 17 (HealthDay News) -- While smoking marijuana is never good for the lungs, the active ingredient in pot may help fight lung cancer, new research shows.

Harvard University researchers have found that, in both laboratory and mouse studies, delta-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) cuts tumor growth in half in common lung cancer while impeding the cancer's ability to spread.

The compound "seems to have a suppressive effect on certain lines of cancer cells," explained Dr. Len Horovitz, a pulmonary specialist at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City.

According to the researchers, THC fights lung cancer by curbing epidermal growth factor (EGF), a molecule that promotes the growth and spread of particularly aggressive non-small cell lung cancers. "It seems to go to (EGF) receptor sites on cells and inhibit growth," said Horovitz, who was not involved in the study.
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/Healthday/story?id=4506595&page=1

Marijuana cuts lung cancer tumor growth in half, study shows
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/04/070417193338.htm

The "authorities" have been aware of this since the mid '70s, when they closed down ongoing research.
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duforsure

(11,885 posts)
78. They allowed him to do this thinking it would show negative results against pot, it didn't
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 06:05 AM
Jul 2019

But they also funded studies in Israel for years which also had amazing results. There have been many long term studies done, but Joe is still living in the past , and this will do nothing but hurt his chances by ignoring it any longer, and allowing people to profit from it with the private prison industry , and big pharma who has paid politicians to be against it for quite a while now. Joe is going to either change his position on it soon, or lose a lot more votes. I think with a huge majority in this country wanting full legalization now on it now, and growing , he will not do well enough. He's stuck in the past, while the other candidates aren't.

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Autumn

(45,120 posts)
6. Stay in the past Joe, the rest of us have moved on.
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 09:39 AM
Jul 2019
“There’s been no long-term studies,” Biden said. “I would not curtail the state’s rights to make those decisions, but I would not make that federal decision until those studies are finished.”

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questionseverything

(9,657 posts)
29. i think this is a big reason the youth didnt come out for us in 2016
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 06:48 PM
Jul 2019

huge mistake

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Autumn

(45,120 posts)
32. And at the rate we old people are using marijuana because it works on pain
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 07:01 PM
Jul 2019

he will lose some older voters. Anyone who needs to wait for years for a study is delusional, there have been studies and they have been ignored. Banks are Federal. We have a problem here with our shops being able to use banks, leaving it to the states is silly.

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questionseverything

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34. i agree completely besides
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 07:10 PM
Jul 2019

people are still going to prison in regressive states over pot and that is a HUGE waste of money

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Autumn

(45,120 posts)
35. Yes they are. His response to POC being disproportionately incarcerated because of
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 07:25 PM
Jul 2019

marijuana-related offenses and it's okay because it's a state law is bullshit and offensive.
We see how well holding those departments and agencies which in fact do not enforce the law equally work. All he has to do is look at the AG's office, that's a sterling example showing that fairy tale belief of accountability isn't going to work and there are a dozen other agencies that the Republicans have stacked with idiots hell-bent on destroying those agencies.

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Andy823

(11,495 posts)
40. Yep
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 10:50 PM
Jul 2019

I don't have to wait around to read some report, I know from my own experience that high CBD marijuana helps me with my pain, and I also know for a fact that my son has seen great success with marijuana helping him with his stomach problems, and with anxiety issues.

Other countries have been doing research for years, and have documented the benefits of using marijuana for many health issues.

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Autumn

(45,120 posts)
41. We have been stuck in the past with their ridiculous "prohibition". No more.
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 10:56 PM
Jul 2019

We have a plethora of candidates who know that the federal legalization of marijuana is the right thing to do.

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LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
50. What data do you have that supports that premise?
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 03:47 PM
Jul 2019

Or was it simply a guess?

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questionseverything

(9,657 posts)
53. i did calling to get out the vote and i heard this complained about from people over and over
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 04:22 PM
Jul 2019

the response was so negative and I am in Illinois

I was honestly afraid Illinois might not go blue

so just my life experiences no official data

but if you think biden being against making mj legal and wanting to reinstate the penalty for not having insurance is a winning ticket we are in HUGE trouble

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duforsure

(11,885 posts)
79. I agree
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 06:07 AM
Jul 2019

And also the older crowd has learned how well it works with many issues , and growing support every day for complete legalization. Joe's missing the boat already.

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questionseverything

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91. biden and harris both...neither supports legalization
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 04:42 PM
Jul 2019
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Haggis for Breakfast

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31. Is he aware that CANADA just legalized pot ?
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 06:58 PM
Jul 2019

They phased it in over a year's time to get it all straightened out. Since then, deaths from opiates have dropped significantly.

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Autumn

(45,120 posts)
33. I'm not sure, but he still thinks that Republicans will work with Democrats so
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 07:06 PM
Jul 2019

who knows. It works great on nerve pain and yes it can be used to wean people off opiates. I would love to go see my sisters in TX but I won't go to a state where I can't get my medication.

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dflprincess

(28,081 posts)
76. I agree
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 11:07 PM
Jul 2019

this is just another item that makes him look so out of touch.

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duforsure

(11,885 posts)
80. I agree
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 06:12 AM
Jul 2019

He is out of touch , and is ignoring many studies, and the majority of the people, and growing, who are now for complete legalization. As more people realize his position , they will look to other candidates who are behind full legalization, and he'll lose votes.

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theaocp

(4,243 posts)
7. I'll volunteer to show the results of longterm use.
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 09:56 AM
Jul 2019

I thank the universe for it every day. It's a slam dunk, Biden. When you're given an out, take it.

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crazytown

(7,277 posts)
10. Ooo Did I tell you I need you,
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 10:18 AM
Jul 2019

every single day of my life

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roody

(10,849 posts)
30. Me too. 45 years more or less.
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 06:57 PM
Jul 2019
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Nuggets

(525 posts)
8. There have been plenty of studies.
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 09:58 AM
Jul 2019

Here’s a ten yr study funded by the DEA who were desperate to prove marijuana caused cancer.

Dr Tashkin found that Not only did it not cause cancer but it actually had a preventative affect
Not a word from the DEA.



Study: Smoking Marijuana Not Linked with Lung Damage
Marijuana smokers performed better on tests of lung function compared to nonsmokers and cigarette smokers
http://healthland.time.com/2012/01/10/study-smoking-marijuana-not-linked-with-lung-damage/



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duforsure

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82. I watched Dr Taskins explain his finding I think on a You Tube video
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 06:40 AM
Jul 2019

And he did say it slightly reduced lung cancer , with tobacco smokers , and even with people who have never smoked. Also the US has subsidized studies done in Israel , which has also shown it works against many other cancers, and have more than enough evidence its very effective without any deaths ever from its use. Big pharma can't say that, and why they paid politicians to oppose its legalization so much.

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Nuggets

(525 posts)
86. Cancer is big biz
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:55 AM
Jul 2019

Many in the industry don’t want any cures, they make billions off of giving patients comfort until they pass and drain their families bank accounts.

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secondwind

(16,903 posts)
9. This should be a state issue, imho
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 10:14 AM
Jul 2019
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Sienna86

(2,149 posts)
11. But banking needs are federal and affect the industry n/t
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 10:32 AM
Jul 2019
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RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
17. Absolutely!!! n/t
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 11:21 AM
Jul 2019
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Applegate

(96 posts)
21. Yes, and that's precisely why federal marijuana prohibition needs to end.
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 04:16 PM
Jul 2019

Then we can watch South Carolina and South Dakota fight to see who will be the last state to legalize it.

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Voltaire2

(13,095 posts)
27. 100 of thousands are arrested every year
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 06:35 PM
Jul 2019

for simple possession at the state level.

I suppose we could just let jesusland continue to devolve, it just doesn’t seem fair.

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Autumn

(45,120 posts)
60. Biden is for "decriminalizing" marijuana nationwide and leaving it to the states. That makes
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 07:51 PM
Jul 2019

no sense. Staes can legalize it but it would still be illegal at the Federal level. Marajuana shop owners can't use banks and marijuana is still considered a Schedule 1 drug by the DEA and people can still be prosecuted for it. Marijuana needs to be legalized on the federal level. Leaving it to the states leaves the conflict in place.

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obamanut2012

(26,087 posts)
71. Wrong - why do you think we have to pay cash for it?
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 07:47 AM
Jul 2019

Cancer patients vaping so they can EAT have to pay cash at legal shops because the Feds consider them criminals, and it's illegal to use their debit cards. It is stupid AF.

It also means you cannot take your LEGAL medication on a trip. It is illegal to get on a plane with it or travel across state lines with your legal medication.

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Progressive83

(8 posts)
18. Over 75% of Democrats support legalization, 2/3 of Americans overall
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 11:34 AM
Jul 2019

if he can't support something that the overwhelming majority people do if even just for political expediency he shouldn't be our nominee.

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Applegate

(96 posts)
19. The train is leaving the station, and Joe is dawdling on the platform.
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 12:53 PM
Jul 2019

Get with the program, man!

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WhiskeyGrinder

(22,376 posts)
20. Joe is definitely behind the times on this one, and looks out of touch.
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 12:56 PM
Jul 2019
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rollin74

(1,984 posts)
22. Cannabis needs to be de-scheduled not simply moved from Schedule 1 to Schedule 2
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 05:07 PM
Jul 2019

making it a schedule 2 would still leave tens of millions of Americans vulnerable to potential felony prosecution for no good reason

Biden is out of touch with popular opinion, the Democratic base and is stuck in the past

recent polls show that at least half of republicans now support recreational marijuana legalization and a large majority of Democrats, independents and, especially, younger voters want it legalized

federal prohibition needs to end. only then will Americans (even in legal states) be truly free from the threat of criminal prosecution and possible life destroying consequences that come with having a criminal record for using a god damn plant

we have a real chance of seeing the end of federal prohibition within the next few years. Let's not fuck it up!


a policy that continues to threaten responsible adult cannabis users with the possibilty of prosecution, fines, jail and living with a criminal record is unacceptable

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Celerity

(43,462 posts)
23. "The federal government cannot impose state law. You can't come, in the federal government, and say
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 05:42 PM
Jul 2019
that this is what you do,” Biden said.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm






SEPTEMBER 24, 1957
President Eisenhower Speech on Little Rock

President Dwight D. Eisenhower announced to the nation that he was sending federal troops to Little Rock, Arkansas, to protect the safety of nine students attempting to integrate Central High School.

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DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
26. Marijuana legalization is very popular in the democratic party
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 06:34 PM
Jul 2019

We need to move forward on this issue, not backward.

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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
37. I am ok with Biden's position.
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 08:05 PM
Jul 2019

Marijuana should be decriminalized everywhere, but legalization should be a state by state choice. For states that don't make recreational marijuana legal, the penalty for being caught with it without a medical card should be a misdemeanor punishable by a fine, no jail time.

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TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
39. He could change his mind on that, but more likely a presidential campaign...
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 10:35 PM
Jul 2019

calling for legalization could hurt, rather than help. I'd guess it would be better left alone.

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Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
42. Thi sis a clueless position
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 10:57 PM
Jul 2019

First we should not be using "States Rights" as a rallying cry. Second, it has to be descheduled at the federal level before states can truly make progress. There haven't been long term studies because it's status prevents those studies from happening. To make a study like that you need funding, much funding comes from federal grants. Those grants won't go to illegal substance studies over a long term.

He's advocating for no progress and hoping no one will notice his dishonest position.

Asked why the decision should be left up to the states when studies have shown that people of color are disproportionately incarcerated for marijuana-related offenses, Biden said “because it’s a state law.”


"He Joe, the current state of Federal marijuana legislation is racist" "LOL idc"

This reveals that he's either dishonest, or clueless, neither is acceptable.
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madville

(7,412 posts)
43. Biden actually knows how federal and state laws work?
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 11:50 PM
Jul 2019

He is correct. Decriminalizing or legalizing at the federal level does not prevent state laws from keeping it illegal. 99% of marijuana arrests are made at the local and state level under state laws so it is primarily a state-level issue. Alcohol is legal at the federal level (with the right permits, etc) but many states have stricter restrictions and some counties are still dry in this country.



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Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
44. If he knows how federal and state laws work
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 05:35 AM
Jul 2019

Then he knows that it doesn't matter what the states do if it's illegal at the federal level. California had it legalized for medical use back in the 90's, the feds still conducted raids in accordance to federal, not state laws. The state laws directed local enforcement to not cooperate with the feds, but that wasn't even enforced fairly.

So either he doesn't know how the laws work, or he's being dishonest about it. Take your pick.

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Autumn

(45,120 posts)
48. He can keep it up as far as I'm concerned, it's a losing issue.
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 09:35 AM
Jul 2019
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Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
75. I mean, I'm not complaining
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 10:47 PM
Jul 2019

If he wants to run on an I'll informed states rights platform he can go right ahead.

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Autumn

(45,120 posts)
83. I don't mind it at all.
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 08:42 AM
Jul 2019
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mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
47. Joe's lack of empathy for folks who want to smoke a little weed without going to jail is alarming.
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 09:23 AM
Jul 2019

The pharmaceutical industry must love Joe for this.

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Andy823

(11,495 posts)
68. The pharmaceutical industry
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 12:22 AM
Jul 2019

has always been against marijuana because they know it has medical uses that could cut into their huge profits every year. They push their products that are highly addictive for a reason, the customers keep coming back for more. Marijuana will work just as well without the addiction, or health risks.

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mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
69. Yes, exactly.
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 07:02 AM
Jul 2019

The corrupt and greedy pharmaceutical industry stands to lose a ton of money if marijuana is legalized across the board. It's unbelievable to think that in this day and age that anyone can drink all the alcohol they want but marijuana is still outlawed in so many places.

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tirebiter

(2,538 posts)
52. We are doing fine with it as a state issue
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 04:04 PM
Jul 2019

Taking it off the schedule 1 list is what needs be done and he supports that. Bingo! I preferred the medical status in California. Making it recreational has led to problems, more expensive, and screwed growers. I do not mind if another state does it better. Changing laws on a state level is a lot easier than fighting it out nationally.

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Voltaire2

(13,095 posts)
54. Only because there is a tacit agreement to mostly leave the states alone.
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 04:22 PM
Jul 2019

And it isn't fine. The federal prohibition status keep pot businesses cash only, which makes them targets for robbery. Travel between states with pot is potentially a serious crime. The 'tacit agreement' can be violated at any time, so everyone involved in state businesses is potentially at risk for prosecution by the feds.

Schedule 2 is not the answer either.


However, simply moving marijuana to a less restrictive
schedule would not protect existing state medical
marijuana programs or change federal penalties for
possessing, cultivating and distributing marijuana. It
would not prevent people from being arrested and
punished for using marijuana. Nor would it remove
obstacles to research or force the DEA and NIDA to
allow research to move forward. Even if vital research
were permitted, the FDA approval process would take
several years, perhaps decades.

https://www.drugpolicy.org/sites/default/files/marijuana-scheduling_january_2019_0.pdf
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loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
84. Not everyone
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:25 AM
Jul 2019

Poor people who live in public housing are still vulnerable to federal prohibition and can be evicted even in states/locales that have decriminalized.
This is terrible for disabled people and those who are not white.
Anyone who understands the current situation with opioids and truly wants to help should support full legalization because marijuana is a less dangerous alternative for both medical and recreational users.

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SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
59. Medicare at 55 and legalization at the federal level.
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 07:50 PM
Jul 2019

Victory would be ours.

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TeamPooka

(24,237 posts)
62. Reason #1 why Biden is not the future of this party
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 08:34 PM
Jul 2019
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Princetonian

(1,501 posts)
63. I could care less. Let's get Chump out of office.
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 08:38 PM
Jul 2019

This kind of issue is so negligible right now as to be asinine when contemplating the shitstain who is in the Oval Office.

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ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
64. People in states without pot laws are probably not going to care much about pot laws.
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 08:41 PM
Jul 2019

And in states where it's legal, it's really legal. Like, across from the local Jack-in-the-Box at the end of the block legal. So I don't think this is going to be an issue at all, except as a wedge issue, in which case Biden is well advised not to go near it.

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BlueWI

(1,736 posts)
66. It's gone far beyond a wedge issue.
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 11:06 PM
Jul 2019

66% support legalization, probably half of the remaining 33% don't care.

There's a point where the train has left the station. Standing on the platform at that point is pointless.

And of course, the remaining state prohibitions provide legal cover for unequal sentencing by race, including in Southern states where legalization has not occurred.

Biden is behind schedule on this issue and seems quite comfortable being behind. It is what it is.

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emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
77. I hope he stays out of it. Decriminalizing is fine. Every one could get pot before their state made
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 01:56 AM
Jul 2019

it legal and if in a state where it isn’t legal still can.

What is this not the future of the party over pot, like the party is some 1960’s rock band.

It’s such a moot issue. Sure, means medical professionals can’t smoke it. They are random tested
and can lose their licenses. Well, pot is so many more times potent today than decades ago that personally I don’t mind if pilots and surgeons have to be tested.

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Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
81. It's a bigger issue than most people are willing to admit
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 06:36 AM
Jul 2019

and it's a growing commercial issue. Billions of dollars are at stake, and the lives of too many minorities are in the balance here. It is a very important issue, and Biden is clueless.

also, wtf is with the last paragraph? It makes no sense. No one should be tested for pot (or any drug) without cause. What does potency have to do with it? Found a nice moral panic to hang on to?

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rollin74

(1,984 posts)
87. "it's such a moot issue". Over 650,000 Americans per year are arrested on cannabis charges.
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 10:26 AM
Jul 2019

nearly 6% of all arrests in the nation are over weed. In some jurisdictions, it accounts for as much as 20% of arrests

sorry, it is NOT a moot issue

Moving cannabis to a schedule 2 controlled substance won't stop people from being arrested for it. Methamphetamine, cocaine, fentanyl, etc. fall under that same category.

Legal cannabis is considered to be the fastest growing, job creating industry in the United States. Over 200,000 people are employed in legal weed and that number is rising quickly.

federal prohibition needs to end


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emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
89. They will not be arrested when pot is decriminalized. Such has been the case for many many years
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 12:59 PM
Jul 2019

in some liberal localities decades before pot was getting legalized in various states. Police simply
stopped arresting people for possessing pot to use for themselves.

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Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
90. In some places
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 03:44 PM
Jul 2019

In others people will be. And it's all moot, as you say, until it's descheduled at the federal level. The feds can still come in and arrest people. Plus universities are forbidden from doing anything with it (big problem in the agriculture field) vets can't use it military can't use it, all manner or people are still prevented for no reason.

But they can still drink themselves to death.

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aikoaiko

(34,178 posts)
85. Quite the opposite.
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:30 AM
Jul 2019
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obamanut2012

(26,087 posts)
70. A majority of states now has legal weed in some form
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 07:45 AM
Jul 2019

And, even with MMJ we have to pay in cash because it is illegal on a Federal level. People can still be arrested on Federal charges. This ship has sailed, and ANYONE of ANY AGE saying it shouldn't be 100% legalized needs to check themselves and become educated.

Or, at least not be a hypocrite and fight to make alcohol illegal (I do not think it should be, of course).

JFC even that wingnut DeSantis sees how much money MMJ is bringing in down here and leaves us alone. and doesn't try and pull our cards.

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marlakay

(11,480 posts)
88. The entire west coast has it
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 10:36 AM
Jul 2019

And by chance I have lived in all 3 since. I was in WA when it passed then lived in CA a few years now in Oregon.

Nothing has changed, no more crime, I notice no difference other than passing one of the stores and people are happy they don’t have to hide it now.

Basically who ever wanted it, did anyway but it feels good to be legal.

I don’t smoke it but my hubby does and it makes him happy in his retirement, his fav thing to do at night is smoke pot and play music which he has drums, and other instruments to play along.

I will say he thinks he’s better than he is but I smile knowing he’s happy. Not hurting anyone.

your not allowed to do it in public anyway you have to be home so no worries of driving. And pot unlike booze makes you drive slow not fast. And you get mellow and happy not angry.

Its a good thing and Joe needs to see it that way but I doubt he will change, my father didn’t until he got cancer but he died before it was legal in CA so he never got any.

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