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left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 01:19 PM Aug 2019

Tulsi Gabbard Cheered For Brutal Attack on Kamala Harris ...

As Harris spoke about her time as former Attorney General of California, Gabbard tied Harris’ record to the “broken criminal justice system that is disproportionately, negatively impacting black and brown people all around the country.”

“I’m deeply concerned about this record,” Gabbard said. “She put over 1,500 people in jail for marijuana violations and laughed about it when she was asked if she ever smoked marijuana.”

The crowd applauded as Gabbard continued to accuse Harris of blocking evidence to exonerate a man who was on death row, and that she “kept people in prison beyond their sentences to use them as cheap labor for the state of California.”

When Harris was given a chance to respond, she said she was proud of her work as she insisted that she led a major reform of California’s legal system.

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/tulsi-gabbard-cheered-for-brutal-attack-on-kamala-harris-you-laughed-about-weed-after-jailing-people-for-it/

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Tulsi Gabbard Cheered For Brutal Attack on Kamala Harris ... (Original Post) left-of-center2012 Aug 2019 OP
wow "She put over 1,500 people in jail for marijuana violations and laughed stonecutter357 Aug 2019 #1
Link to video of Harris laughing about having smoked weed: highplainsdem Aug 2019 #11
In March (before the report was released) Gabbard said that Mueller had proven Trump hadn't colluded pnwmom Aug 2019 #2
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2019 #6
Because sometimes MacDombles Aug 2019 #9
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2019 #10
We're getting rid of the traitorous Orange Turd. Democrats have oasis Aug 2019 #16
Collusion isn't the same as conspiracy. And with regard to conspiracy, it's NOT TRUE pnwmom Aug 2019 #12
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HE DID NOT say that collusion and conspiracy were the same thing. pnwmom Aug 2019 #18
Post removed Post removed Aug 2019 #22
No one got charged with "collusion" because that isn't a legal term. pnwmom Aug 2019 #24
What was the actual quote? Bradical79 Aug 2019 #20
Live by the sword redstateblues Aug 2019 #3
well, it gets no traction with me. EveHammond13 Aug 2019 #4
Brutal attack? Was there a physical altercation after the debate? jalan48 Aug 2019 #5
I clicked the op thinking I was going to be reading about Harris getting jumped in the street. SouthernProgressive Aug 2019 #7
So confronting one's record is now "brutal?" Devil Child Aug 2019 #8
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2019 #13
It's depressing to see Dems pushing a candidate who's been all but endorsed by Steve Bannon. pnwmom Aug 2019 #14
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2019 #17
$2,000. And that donation was a drop in the bucket among the millions she received. n/t pnwmom Aug 2019 #21
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2019 #25
I don't have a favorite candidate yet. But I think Tulsi's attacks on Kamala have been unfair. n/t pnwmom Aug 2019 #26
It's depressing that the one who was attacked did not fight back. Period. Whether it's against Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #23
Tulsi was misrepresenting Kamala's record. pnwmom Aug 2019 #27
+1, uponit7771 Aug 2019 #30
you are responsible for everything your underlings do treestar Aug 2019 #34
Just to clarify (from inside the theater)... brooklynite Aug 2019 #19
"it was coming from the left rear of the Orchestra" left-of-center2012 Aug 2019 #28
It was likely a group that had adjacent seats that responded. brooklynite Aug 2019 #32
In your view, what type of people were in the left rear of the theater? Thanks. nt Blue_true Aug 2019 #31
I wouldn't call it brutal. NWCorona Aug 2019 #29
no she isn't trying to get a position in any democratic administration JI7 Aug 2019 #35
Brutal? treestar Aug 2019 #33
 

stonecutter357

(12,697 posts)
1. wow "She put over 1,500 people in jail for marijuana violations and laughed
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 01:27 PM
Aug 2019

“She put over 1,500 people in jail for marijuana violations and laughed about it when she was asked if she ever smoked marijuana.”

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pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
2. In March (before the report was released) Gabbard said that Mueller had proven Trump hadn't colluded
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 01:29 PM
Aug 2019

with Russia. This was after months of minimizing the importance of the investigation.

Earlier, she'd come back from a private visit with Assad, saying that she believed him that he hadn't used chemical weapons on his own people.

She is also the favorite Democratic candidate of Steve Bannon .

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/307106-bannon-set-up-trump-gabbard-meeting

Bannon, who hates the entrenched two-party system, has long admired Gabbard. She’s an Iraq War veteran with an independent streak. Bannon, a navy veteran, was drawn to her when she began publicly excoriating the Obama administration over its plan to defeat ISIS.

“He loves Tulsi Gabbard. Loves her,” a second source familiar with Bannon’s thinking told The Hill. “Wants to work with her on everything.”

“She would fit perfectly too [inside the administration],” the source added. “She gets the foreign policy stuff, the Islamic terrorism stuff.”

Bannon appreciates Gabbard’s willingness to publicly criticize President Obama for refusing to name the enemy, “radical Islamic terrorism.”

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MacDombles

(28 posts)
9. Because sometimes
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 01:36 PM
Aug 2019

reality doesn't line up with agenda.

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oasis

(49,392 posts)
16. We're getting rid of the traitorous Orange Turd. Democrats have
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 01:58 PM
Aug 2019

plenty evidence on his sorry ass. He's on his way out,there is too much pressure being brought to bear. Indictments on his family will come after the subpoenas.

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pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
12. Collusion isn't the same as conspiracy. And with regard to conspiracy, it's NOT TRUE
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 01:51 PM
Aug 2019

that Mueller said in his report and his testimony that he found "no evidence of a conspiracy."

He said he hadn't found enough evidence to prove a conspiracy -- meaning, not enough evidence to prove it in court beyond a reasonable doubt. That's a very different thing.

The first part of the report is FULL of evidence of collusion -- just not enough evidence of a specific conspiracy to prove it in court.

But Tulsi wouldn't have known that -- because she spoke out in March, after Barr's letter. She didn't bother to read Mueller's actual report before opining that we should "move on."

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pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
18. HE DID NOT say that collusion and conspiracy were the same thing.
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 02:03 PM
Aug 2019

He said that collusion wasn't a legal term -- that they only looked for a conspiracy, and they didn't find ENOUGH evidence to establish it -- ie., prove it in court.

But Part 1 was full of evidence of collusion -- which you would know if you bothered to read it.

https://www.justsecurity.org/63838/guide-to-the-mueller-reports-findings-on-collusion/

I. Summary of Major Findings

The redacted Mueller Report documents a series of activities that show strong evidence of collusion. Or, more precisely, it provides significant evidence that Trump Campaign associates coordinated with, cooperated with, encouraged, or gave support to the Russia/WikiLeaks election interference activities. The Report documents the following actions (each of which is analyzed in detail in Part II):

1. Trump was receptive to a Campaign national security adviser’s (George Papadopoulos) pursuit of a back channel to Putin.

2. Kremlin operatives provided the Campaign a preview of the Russian plan to distribute stolen emails.

3. The Trump Campaign chairman and deputy chairman (Paul Manafort and Rick Gates) knowingly shared internal polling data and information on battleground states with a Russian spy; and the Campaign chairman worked with the Russian spy on a pro-Russia “peace” plan for Ukraine.

SNIP

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pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
24. No one got charged with "collusion" because that isn't a legal term.
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 02:18 PM
Aug 2019

No one got charged with "conspiracy" because they didn't find ENOUGH evidence to prove it in court.

You haven't provided a single link to support your claim that there was NO evidence of conspiracy. Please show me WHEN Mueller said collusion is the same as conspiracy, and that there was NO evidence of conspiracy.

The link I provided was to an article in Just Security by Ryan Goodman.


Ryan Goodman
Ryan Goodman
Co-Editor-in-Chief

Ryan Goodman (@rgoodlaw) is founding co-editor-in-chief of Just Security. He is the Anne and Joel Ehrenkranz Professor of Law at New York University School of Law. He served as Special Counsel to the General Counsel of the Department of Defense (2015-16).

Ryan is also a Professor of Politics and Professor of Sociology at NYU. He was the inaugural Rita E. Hauser Professor of Human Rights and Humanitarian Law at Harvard Law School. He received a J.D. from Yale Law School, a Ph.D. from Yale University, and a B.A. from the University of Texas at Austin. He is a member of the Department of State’s Advisory Committee on International Law, a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, a member of the US Naval War College’s Board of Advisers for International Law Studies, and a member of the Board of Editors of the American Journal of International Law.

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Bradical79

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20. What was the actual quote?
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 02:07 PM
Aug 2019

Mueller explicitly differentiated between "collusion" and criminal conspiracy, and a lack of direct evidence doesn't mean a whole lot if Trump successfuly obstructed justice.

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EveHammond13

(2,855 posts)
4. well, it gets no traction with me.
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 01:30 PM
Aug 2019
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jalan48

(13,871 posts)
5. Brutal attack? Was there a physical altercation after the debate?
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 01:30 PM
Aug 2019
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SouthernProgressive

(1,810 posts)
7. I clicked the op thinking I was going to be reading about Harris getting jumped in the street.
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 01:32 PM
Aug 2019

"Tulsi Gabbard Cheered For Brutal Attack on Kamala"

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Devil Child

(2,728 posts)
8. So confronting one's record is now "brutal?"
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 01:35 PM
Aug 2019

Give me a break. The crowd's immediate response was welcome to my ears. I guess the next step in the media narrative is to dismiss the positive crowd reaction towards Rep. Gabbard as the work of Russia.

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pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
14. It's depressing to see Dems pushing a candidate who's been all but endorsed by Steve Bannon.
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 01:58 PM
Aug 2019

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/307106-bannon-set-up-trump-gabbard-meeting

Bannon, who hates the entrenched two-party system, has long admired Gabbard. She’s an Iraq War veteran with an independent streak. Bannon, a navy veteran, was drawn to her when she began publicly excoriating the Obama administration over its plan to defeat ISIS.

“He loves Tulsi Gabbard. Loves her,” a second source familiar with Bannon’s thinking told The Hill. “Wants to work with her on everything.”

“She would fit perfectly too [inside the administration],” the source added. “She gets the foreign policy stuff, the Islamic terrorism stuff.”

Bannon appreciates Gabbard’s willingness to publicly criticize President Obama for refusing to name the enemy, “radical Islamic terrorism.”
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
21. $2,000. And that donation was a drop in the bucket among the millions she received. n/t
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 02:07 PM
Aug 2019
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pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
26. I don't have a favorite candidate yet. But I think Tulsi's attacks on Kamala have been unfair. n/t
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 02:24 PM
Aug 2019
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Skya Rhen

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23. It's depressing that the one who was attacked did not fight back. Period. Whether it's against
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 02:15 PM
Aug 2019

someone endorsed by Bannon or not. Wasn't Trump endorsed by Bannon? Isn't he the one that our nominee will go up against and is expected to beat in a debate? Seriously.

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pnwmom

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27. Tulsi was misrepresenting Kamala's record.
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 04:07 PM
Aug 2019

The 1500 marijuana cases referred to all the pot cases prosecuted by all the prosecutors in the state while Kamala was Attorney General. It wasn't part of her job to approve all the prosecutions in the state.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/jul/31/fact-checking-democratic-debate-detroit-night-two/

Rep. Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii on Sen. Kamala Harris’ time as a prosecutor: Harris "put over 1,500 people in jail for marijuana violations and then laughed about it when she was asked if she ever smoked marijuana."

This claim about Harris putting "over 1,500 people in jail" for pot violations is cited in a February article by the Free Beacon, a conservative online news website. The article says "at least 1,560 people were sent to state prisons for marijuana-related offenses between 2011 and 2016," when Harris was California attorney general. It says the data comes from reports from the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation.

PolitiFact could not immediately access that data during the debate. But we do know that as attorney general, Harris would not have personally prosecuted marijuana cases. Those cases would have been handled by lower-level state attorneys.

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treestar

(82,383 posts)
34. you are responsible for everything your underlings do
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 09:15 PM
Aug 2019

if you are in a position of leadership.

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brooklynite

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19. Just to clarify (from inside the theater)...
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 02:05 PM
Aug 2019

The cheering was not uniform; it was coming from the left rear of the Orchestra. There was no reaction from the DNC section.

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left-of-center2012

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28. "it was coming from the left rear of the Orchestra"
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 05:46 PM
Aug 2019

Which indicates what?

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brooklynite

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32. It was likely a group that had adjacent seats that responded.
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 08:27 PM
Aug 2019
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Blue_true

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31. In your view, what type of people were in the left rear of the theater? Thanks. nt
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 08:15 PM
Aug 2019
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NWCorona

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29. I wouldn't call it brutal.
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 06:07 PM
Aug 2019

I wonder if Gabbard is playing for a position in the Biden administration? She did bring up Kamala's previous attack on Biden before launching her own.

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JI7

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35. no she isn't trying to get a position in any democratic administration
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 09:17 PM
Aug 2019
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treestar

(82,383 posts)
33. Brutal?
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 09:14 PM
Aug 2019

I guess only Harris gets to make attacks and no one is allowed to answer back.

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