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Devil Child

(2,728 posts)
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 04:15 PM Aug 2019

CNN: How you know Tulsi Gabbard really got under Kamala Harris' skin

It was, without question, a moment for Gabbard, who has been running well off the main pack in the race to date. She was forceful, direct and unapologetic. And she clearly knocked Harris on her heels.

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But what Harris started her answer on Gabbard with was the she-is-so-beneath-me-I-can't-even-bring-myself-to-take-her-seriously riff. Which, for a candidate as naturally gifted and experienced as Harris, is a clear mistake. And a mistake that appeared born of the simple fact that Gabbard pissed her off and, in the immediate aftermath of the debate, she was still fuming.

And the bottom line is that there are aspects of Harris' record as attorney general that are a major weakness for her candidacy. As a top-tier candidate, she *has* to expect to be hit on it. Who it came from is immaterial -- so the fact that she responded by dismissing Gabbard's poll numbers is telling.

This incident isn't going to do any real damage to Harris. She's right that she is a top-tier candidate and Gabbard, well, isn't -- at least not yet. But Harris' inability to keep her cool is something to keep an eye on. This isn't the only time she's going to be challenged on her record in the coming months.


https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/01/politics/tulsi-gabbard-kamala-harris-debate/index.html
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CNN: How you know Tulsi Gabbard really got under Kamala Harris' skin (Original Post) Devil Child Aug 2019 OP
It will be interesting to see if Gabbard gets the temporary feel good bump that Harris got. SouthernProgressive Aug 2019 #1
nice point. LakeArenal Aug 2019 #3
Somebody ask her about snuggling up to Assad MontanaFarmer Aug 2019 #6
Seems like a lot of people had their chance to ask her that last night. SouthernProgressive Aug 2019 #7
A golden opportunity to do so was missed last evening Devil Child Aug 2019 #10
I hope not Progressive dog Aug 2019 #20
Gabbard is the one Democrat Trumpocalypse Aug 2019 #35
If she gains a point or so... SouthernProgressive Aug 2019 #38
Chris Cillizza nt greyl Aug 2019 #2
ad hominem n/t Devil Child Aug 2019 #5
Helpful detail, better than "CNN". greyl Aug 2019 #8
Chris sleaze has spoken. obnoxiousdrunk Aug 2019 #4
Unfortunately it prolly is after that debate performance...KH shuda been ready to defend her record InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2019 #33
And Harris is running because...? Mme. Defarge Aug 2019 #9
It's obvious that Gabbard rattled Harris NWCorona Aug 2019 #11
I am still in shock. Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #13
That's karma for you. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2019 #37
It's HRC Hater Cilizza Punching At Another Strong Woman Me. Aug 2019 #12
I am curious why Tulsi seems to be on a mission to trash Kamala Skittles Aug 2019 #14
Because the Russian bots told her to. n/t Downtown Hound Aug 2019 #15
I don't find Tulsi to be trust-worthy Skittles Aug 2019 #16
4Chan and Russian bots are building her up big time Downtown Hound Aug 2019 #22
I am curious why Harris seemed to be on a mission to trash Biden Devil Child Aug 2019 #19
because he is the front-runner? Skittles Aug 2019 #21
Or why an anti-gay, pro-assad, Hillary and Obama hater Jakes Progress Aug 2019 #25
I wonder about that too nt Trumpocalypse Aug 2019 #36
No kidding nini Aug 2019 #29
May I ask why you support Gabbard? nt zackymilly Aug 2019 #27
One theory is that she'd like to be Biden's VP. thesquanderer Aug 2019 #23
I think you're right customerserviceguy Aug 2019 #26
Late 70s President with Gabbard as VP Trenzalore Aug 2019 #31
I don't think Biden will consider an anti-gay Assad loving Putin plant nini Aug 2019 #32
I didn't watch, can someone clarify? FirstLight Aug 2019 #17
Not reading Chris Cillizza. ismnotwasm Aug 2019 #18
Chris Cillizza. Nuf said mcar Aug 2019 #24
Chris Cillizza is an incel 4chan Trump Supporting Ass JI7 Aug 2019 #28
If you want to see someone get under someone else's skin, athena Aug 2019 #30
Hostile spin. Weaponizing a simple statement of fact. Hortensis Aug 2019 #34
 

SouthernProgressive

(1,810 posts)
1. It will be interesting to see if Gabbard gets the temporary feel good bump that Harris got.
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 04:21 PM
Aug 2019

I don't think she will but Gabbard is closer to Harris in the polls than Harris was to Biden when she went on the attack. There is a lot in the background for Harris that isn't discussed here. It's going to be tough running a prosecutor and Harris is about to find that out. I do like how Harris is dealing with it. She isn't. I really do think that is a good strategy. Harris is willing to change on a moments notice without apologizing or admitting error. She is willing to lob questionable attacks without apology or admitting error. In fact, she will double down. I think more of our candidates need to figure this out.

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MontanaFarmer

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6. Somebody ask her about snuggling up to Assad
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 04:28 PM
Aug 2019

in Aleppo, or spending most of her career in the anti-gay rights camp. Curtains.

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SouthernProgressive

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7. Seems like a lot of people had their chance to ask her that last night.
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 04:31 PM
Aug 2019

Also seems Harris thought of it this morning. More saw what happened last night than the return fire this morning.

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Devil Child

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10. A golden opportunity to do so was missed last evening
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 04:39 PM
Aug 2019

I'm sure the other candidates will not hesitate next debate if Rep. Gabbard qualifies.

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Progressive dog

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20. I hope not
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 04:51 PM
Aug 2019
But Gabbard will stand out from her competitors, not for her progressive domestic agenda, but for her support of nationalists and authoritarians abroad. At a time when members of both parties worry about the rise of autocrats, dictators, and nationalist movements around the world, Gabbard has embraced some of them.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/01/tulsi-gabbard-is-running-for-president-can-she-shake-her-ties-to-dictators-and-nationalists/
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Trumpocalypse

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35. Gabbard is the one Democrat
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 05:48 PM
Aug 2019

I would really have a problem voting for.

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SouthernProgressive

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38. If she gains a point or so...
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 07:31 PM
Aug 2019

It still keeps her neck and neck with Williamson.

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greyl

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8. Helpful detail, better than "CNN".
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 04:33 PM
Aug 2019

But yes, I'm against that person.

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obnoxiousdrunk

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4. Chris sleaze has spoken.
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 04:23 PM
Aug 2019

It's over for Kamala ...

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InAbLuEsTaTe

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33. Unfortunately it prolly is after that debate performance...KH shuda been ready to defend her record
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 05:43 PM
Aug 2019

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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Mme. Defarge

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9. And Harris is running because...?
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 04:34 PM
Aug 2019

She just wants to be president?

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NWCorona

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11. It's obvious that Gabbard rattled Harris
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 04:41 PM
Aug 2019

I was surprised that Harris wasn't ready for that line of attack.

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Skya Rhen

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13. I am still in shock.
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 04:43 PM
Aug 2019
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InAbLuEsTaTe

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37. That's karma for you.
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 06:31 PM
Aug 2019

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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Me.

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12. It's HRC Hater Cilizza Punching At Another Strong Woman
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 04:42 PM
Aug 2019
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Skittles

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14. I am curious why Tulsi seems to be on a mission to trash Kamala
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 04:45 PM
Aug 2019
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Downtown Hound

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15. Because the Russian bots told her to. n/t
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 04:48 PM
Aug 2019
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Skittles

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16. I don't find Tulsi to be trust-worthy
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 04:49 PM
Aug 2019

and her anti-gay history makes me wonder why she is even there

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Downtown Hound

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22. 4Chan and Russian bots are building her up big time
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 04:58 PM
Aug 2019

That, combined with the fact that she gleefully declared Donald Trump innocent, tells me everything I need to know. I'm vote blue no matter who. But I don't think she's truly blue.

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Devil Child

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19. I am curious why Harris seemed to be on a mission to trash Biden
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 04:51 PM
Aug 2019

General word round here was “politics” and “vetting.” Harris runs on her prosecutor record, the approach Gabbard took was appropriate to me.

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Skittles

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21. because he is the front-runner?
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 04:51 PM
Aug 2019

I don't understand why someone who is anti-gay is even on that stage
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Jakes Progress

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25. Or why an anti-gay, pro-assad, Hillary and Obama hater
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 05:19 PM
Aug 2019

gets support on this site.

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Trumpocalypse

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36. I wonder about that too nt
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 05:50 PM
Aug 2019
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nini

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29. No kidding
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 05:38 PM
Aug 2019

the anti-gay stuff alone should have kept her off the stage.

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zackymilly

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27. May I ask why you support Gabbard? nt
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 05:26 PM
Aug 2019
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thesquanderer

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23. One theory is that she'd like to be Biden's VP.
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 05:01 PM
Aug 2019

Presidential candidates often look for a VP willing to be their attack dog, so they can appear to stay above the fray. If that's the position Gabbard is after, she gave a decent audition last night.

There's also a basic strategy that, when you're not #2, there's limited upside to taking down #1. It might be better for you to take down the others who are between you and #1, to better position yourself if #1 subsequently falls.

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customerserviceguy

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26. I think you're right
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 05:24 PM
Aug 2019

Gabbard ticks off a number of boxes when Joe goes to find a VP candidate. Female, POC, military background, geographic diversity and unflappable.

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Trenzalore

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31. Late 70s President with Gabbard as VP
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 05:39 PM
Aug 2019

God help us all.

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nini

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32. I don't think Biden will consider an anti-gay Assad loving Putin plant
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 05:40 PM
Aug 2019

Biden knows what's up with her.

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FirstLight

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17. I didn't watch, can someone clarify?
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 04:49 PM
Aug 2019

I'm recoverng from a car accident and kinda loopy on muscle relaxers

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ismnotwasm

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18. Not reading Chris Cillizza.
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 04:50 PM
Aug 2019

He’s an epic ass

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mcar

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24. Chris Cillizza. Nuf said
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 05:10 PM
Aug 2019
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JI7

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28. Chris Cillizza is an incel 4chan Trump Supporting Ass
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 05:27 PM
Aug 2019

he gets off on schoolyard type attacks on Democrats. that's why he likes trump.

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athena

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30. If you want to see someone get under someone else's skin,
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 05:38 PM
Aug 2019

watch the MSNBC interview of Tulsi Gabbard that was aired earlier today.

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Hortensis

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34. Hostile spin. Weaponizing a simple statement of fact.
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 05:47 PM
Aug 2019
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