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elocs

(22,588 posts)
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 08:36 PM Aug 2019

The Big Con that starts every election year:

That the Iowa and New Hampshire primaries are so important that they are given such weight to decide who the next party nominee may be.
Somebody has really done a convincing con job in making people believe that their results are so important in deciding who the next nominee may be and people have willing swallowed it hook, line, and sinker. Why?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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lapfog_1

(29,213 posts)
1. Because rural white people get to run the US?
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 08:39 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

EndGOPPropaganda

(1,117 posts)
9. Right? WTF?!?!
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 09:34 PM
Aug 2019

In 2020:
Make DC a state and give its urban, 50/50 minority population the FIRST primary. Followed by California.

Stop letting rural white people run this country. For god’s sake. The most productive parts of our nation’s economy are our cities. Which are diverse, often young, often educated, caring, tolerant places. And also Democratic places. No coincidence. Let diverse states vote first.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

rzemanfl

(29,565 posts)
2. I could be wrong, but I think that line started being fed with
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 08:40 PM
Aug 2019
My Weekly Reader in grade school back when whether you "liked Ike" was the question.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

question everything

(47,497 posts)
3. Only two candidates who won Iowa ended in the White House
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 08:43 PM
Aug 2019

Bush in 2000 and Obama in 2008. Oh, and Carter who came second after "undecided.."

Unfortunately, as Giuliani found out the hard way, skipping these states will signal the end of the run. Don't remember whether it was in 2008 or 2012..

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
4. President Gephardt agrees with you
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 08:52 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
5. Winning Iowa/NH doesn't guarantee you'll win, but...
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 08:59 PM
Aug 2019

terribly underperforming almost guarantees you'll lose. Contributions will dry up, you'll be handicapped for the subsequent races, and you probably won't last long.

Also, the media loves a horse race, and these are the first two goalposts that you can get people excited about.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

highplainsdem

(49,006 posts)
6. I often wish we could have all 50 states vote for their delegates on the same day, and in
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 08:59 PM
Aug 2019

closed primaries, with no caucuses.

I think we'd get a better idea of which candidates Democrats prefer, without giving too much attention to any individual states just because they come earlier.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
11. I do not like that idea at all.
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 10:33 PM
Aug 2019

The expressed purpose of primaries is to determine which candidate has the endurance and smarts to maintain appeal to voters over months. Having a one day prinary favors candidates that can raise lots of money, and opens primaries up to complete control by big money interests and donors that can fork over a $2800 donation on request. If you want to go to a single day prinary, it does not matte to me, just be careful what you wish for.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ancianita

(36,110 posts)
7. Their usefulness is in their regional appeal that gains more votes in nearby states. Not a "con."
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 09:19 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

RainCaster

(10,892 posts)
8. The first states need to be rotated
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 09:22 PM
Aug 2019

I'm tired of Iowa getting all manner of really stupid promises, like putting corn in our gasoline. Let's rotate the states so that crap can be spread around the country.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
10. It does not always happen that way.
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 10:26 PM
Aug 2019

In 76 and 92, the eventual Democratic Party nominee didn't win either state. I think that a person who can appeal to the south and middle Atlantic states can overcome losing both states, as Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton did. A fly in the ointment this year is the California and Texas primaried being positioned where they are, that can negate the power of southern and mid-Atlantic democratic primary voters.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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