Apart from that ... fucked if I know.

There's also this one pony I've had my eye on ...

2 sides of the same coin, IMHO. The only difference is she is female and a true Democrat. But they're both all in with the "revolution." I think Biden supporters are most interested in beating Trump rather than starting a revolution, at least right now in 2020.

as a more meaningful candidate, who can explain her positions without sounding grumpy, even if occasionally pedantic. I'm still hoping that Buttigieg can get out of the place where he's stalled and make a good run for it as we approach voting time.

Then you haven't been paying attention.

Warren is on the rise, no doubt about that.

our controversial candidates are not polling high enough to be a concern.

I believe we need a woman at this time, and it’s long past due.

But Sanders and Warren are quite similar, including criticism of Obama on trade, that helped elect trump.

Sorry.

It is principally an R&D Investment and Training package. Those that do touch on trade are an increase in funding for the Import / Export Bank, and interventions in the currency market to counter exchange rate manipulation.

Her trade policies are set out here
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6223379-Elizabeth-Warren-s-Trade-Plan.html

The principal features are

•Trade negotiators will publicly disclose negotiating drafts and provide the public with an opportunity to comment.

•Trade advisory committees will prioritize the views of workers and consumers.

•The US International Trade Commission will provide a regional analysis of the economic effects of a trade agreement.

• The congressional approval process will offer more opportunities for the public and elected representatives to shape trade agreements.

And trade deals should be subject to these conditions

• Recognizing and enforcing the core labor rights of the International Labour Organization, like collective bargaining and the elimination of child labor.

• Upholding internationally recognized human rights, as reported in the State Department’s Country Reports on Human Rights.

• Be a party to the Paris Climate agreement and have a long-term, national and verified plan to reduce emissions.

• Eliminate all domestic fossil fuel subsidies.

(All TPP countries were parties to the Paris Climate Agreement)

The TPP was infamous for pushing through fast track approval while keeping the provisions completely secret. When the final draft was revealed to entrench closed market Pharmaceutical pricing in the United States, there was nowhere to go.

designed to appeal to people who believe we can make it trading among ourselves -- the same people who voted for trump's promises. trumpsters call it "America First," Warren calls it "Economic Patriotism."

Her bashing of Obama's TPP and proposed agreements with European countries helped elect trump. That's clear. And, it was wrong.

The provisions weren't secret, everyone knew about them and they weren't a bit different from 2500 trade agreements negotiated since 1959. Plus, for Congressional approval the agreement was released and had to be reviewed for months before submitting to Congress.

She just didn't know enough about the agreements, including all that have gone before and were negotiated among European countries which America was not a party. But she saw the political benefit of bashing Obama to people who knew even less than her.

Poor, foreign countries and workers would have benefited from the agreements, maybe not to American standards but much better than 50 cents a day working in rice paddies, or harvesting agave plants. All this harms the foreign worker and will keep us at war -- economic and/or militarily -- for decades.

Sorry, she is/was wrong.

She also yielded to medical devise lobbyist in supporting repeal of the medical device tax which was a funding source for Obamacare. While small, it could have been expanded so that those who profit from healthcare, help pay for expanding it to everyone. Yet, Warren yielded and damaged the ACA.

Link to tweet

and their irrational belief that we’ll be better off trading among ourselves and shunning poor countries worldwide. Similar to trump, although not as mean spirited.

Fact is, we now have what those two supported. And some folks who supported those two, voted for trump, stayed home, or went third party.

Trump ran on a populist anti-trade message. To suggest, as I think you are doing, that if the TPP had passed, without Democratic opposition, the nominee would have been in a better position to oppose him is fanciful.

I wasn't a fan of Warren for the reasons you mentioned, but I've recently discovered a different side to her and I really think she's saying things that need to be said right now.

I’d likely go with Harris or Klobuchar. Biden for one term is also a possibility, although I really prefer a woman. If he’s still a big odds favorite to beat trump when my primary comes in March, it will be hard to vote against him.

I like a lot of what Warren says, but she’s just wrong about Economic Patriotism, and she’s promising too much that can be funded from her wealth tax and repeal of recent tax cuts. I’m not opposed to any of the things she’s proposing, but she should be honest and lay out to people what each proposal will cost and just say, “These are wonderful things that will benefit all of you, and the rich will pay for a big chunk, but your taxes will likely go up a bit too.”

BTW: I’ll enthusiastically support Warren or any other Democrat that is nominated.

but I like Tom Steyer... billionaire v. fake billionaire

but he would need to run with someone with political chops... Warren / Harris (except they can't both be from CA)

on TV here in Georgia. In fairness, I don't recall seeing any other candidate ads.

there were such a consensus candidate, they'd already be polling better than Biden and Sanders. You'd need a very strong candidate who hasn't declared yet to become more of a consensus candidate than the front-runner.

I don't think we'll even see a consensus candidate for the left wing of the party, because everything I've seen suggests that neither Warren nor Sanders will drop out in favor of the other, as much as some of their supporters online fantasize about that possibility.

reality check to the thread.

particularly a subset of black male and/or millennial voters who aren't fully informed. For example, my brother gets his info from Youtube and social media. Then we have my sister who voted for the very first time last year, despite being eligible to vote since 2000.

Anyway, when I factor people like them into the equation, my gut feeling is that the attacks that Biden is getting from all corners are going to be an issue. Once Y and Z Generation voters get an idea in their head, it's almost impossible to change their minds.

likely to vote anyway?

...once you factor out Biden and Sanders themselves, the preferred "next best choice" for Biden voters, Sanders voters, Warren voters, and Buttigieg voters, are all Warren. So maybe that kind of answers you question about the closest thing to a consensus candidate at the moment. Bu Iowa is still a long way away.

I'm not sure what I think about best electability. Realistically, someone telegenic/charismatic is a bg factor. And I think being a veteran could be a real plus against Donnie Bonespurs. So that leaves maybe Buttigieg and Gabbard?

I really admire Warren's passion. I also worry about the whole "Pocahontas" thing.

of California and North Carolina:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287232336

Either could beat Trump.

Michelle would beat him by a wider margin.

But Biden does about as well against Trump as Michelle Obama does.

Senator Harris could be a consensus candidate. Three reservations

1. Other than 'prosecuting the case' she is bland
2. She has proposed a flakey Medicare for All (which satisfies no one)
3. As nominee, Harris would feed into The Con's 'Keep America White' strategy.

Throwing out Biden who would IMO be best for the EC, then we have:

Harris- Pros are female, not seen as too far left, could really bring out AAs and East Asians. Cons: California does not bring any EC advantage.

Beto- Pros - young and good looking, TEXAS and possibly Arizona and Florida would be in play. Cons - seen as lacking experience, hyper speaking style

With these two and the right VP pick, they could probably beat Trump. This could also be said about Biden however.

the front-runner, no matter who that might be. Right now Biden is getting them because he's the front-runner. If it was someone else, or if later it becomes someone else, they'll get the same treatment - so that shouldn't be a reason for not supporting someone.

I don't have the emotional wherewithal to have a horse in the primary race, but I think a Warren/Castro ticket would be awesome & fire up the base!

Not sure Castro could bring Texas the way Beto might. Beto has been proven to have coattails.

How about Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania...

of voters polled in many polls is more than a little dismissive of, and insulting to, supporters of those candidates.

I'm always on here defending Biden from unfair attacks coming from our own side! The Axelrod attack was a turning point, however, and though I agree with Malcolm Nance's response, I'm starting to realize that the writing might be on the wall. It's best to acknowledge that and formulate a Plan B rather than just let things play out randomly.

supporters of other Democratic candidates, then we'll end up "realistically" abandoning all of them and wondering what the hell happened to a once-promising field of fine candidates.

There will be no Plan B, unless there's a brokered convention, which is very unlikely and would be disastrous for party unity.

Plan A is to coalesce around the front-runner.

primary...mark my words...and Axelrod can fuck off ...who doe he think he is anyway...he treated Hillary like shit.

those of voters? What could go wrong with that. . But no I won't vote for or settle for a so called consensus candidate in the most important primary of my lifetime so those who support a different candidate who is not one of the top three or four can feel included...maybe we should hand out also ran trophies while we are at it...not happening. Sorry I want to win and send Trump packing.

“I like Biden, but I'm really worried about the relentless attacks that are coming at him from all corners. I'm 100% locked in with Elizabeth Warren.”

Relentless attacks?

If you really liked someone who was being attacked so (whether obvious ones of out- right aggression or the subtle ones of repeating negative sound bites), you would just give up on them?

I can't even imagine that until after Super Tuesday.

too bad he isn't a black female.