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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 12:20 PM Aug 2019

Let Biden Be Biden!

I have had quite enough of all the nitpicking of Joe Biden's minor errors in his speeches. Picking one word out of an entire speech to use as an attack is insane and does us no good.

Does one word destroy everything else? Hell no! This is just Joe. I'm sure most of the speeches are out of the blue and most delivered from the heart, rather that a prompter. Let's see Trump do that.

Let Bartlett Be Bartlett! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_Bartlet_Be_Bartlet

Or for the real world, Let Reagan Be Reagan. He wasn't ripped apart over his many mistakes.

There is a major difference when you defend a pathological liar while calling every misspoken word by Joe Biden a gaffe.

Stop feeding the flames of pettiness. There are many missteps on the campaign trail, many brought by fatigue. It happens to the youngest as well as the oldest.

Do we really want to sling shit over a mistake? I am glad everyone else is so perfect 24/7.

Let's focus on the important issues and embrace the reasons we like Joe Biden!

LET BIDEN BE BIDEN!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Let Biden Be Biden! (Original Post) SCVDem Aug 2019 OP
Thx SCVDem!! On point with your post!! Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #1
Sorry, the media has decided on the narrative: Biden's Gaffes matter. Trump's don't. bluewater Aug 2019 #2
It's actually just certain pundits with their own very transparent agenda. nt UniteFightBack Aug 2019 #6
I am for Biden and Warren katmondoo Aug 2019 #10
#But Her emails!!!! Cha Aug 2019 #16
#ButHerEmails ?!? bluewater Aug 2019 #22
#ButHerEmails punditry. Cha Aug 2019 #23
Nance humping his book by trying to smear David Axelrod? bluewater Aug 2019 #24
Positive Malcom Nance thread has over a 100 Recs.. Cha Aug 2019 #25
Odd that. Really odd since blm Aug 2019 #27
Very odd.. especially if Cha Aug 2019 #28
LOL Trying to re-argue some other old thread in this one now? bluewater Aug 2019 #33
Get over it.. you lost. Cha Aug 2019 #35
"Get over it.. you lost." Seems I must have "won" lol bluewater Aug 2019 #36
Yes you did, bluewater.. and if anyone cares to see how badly.. Cha Aug 2019 #38
lol STILL trying to re-argue some old thread in this one now? ok ok I "lost" lol bluewater Aug 2019 #39
Malcolm Nance just called David Axelrod's critique of Biden "#ButHerEmails punditry" Cha Aug 2019 #40
Malcolm Nance is a knowledgable, heavyweight insider. I guarantee you oasis Aug 2019 #34
President Obama and David Axelrod in the Oval Office. bluewater Aug 2019 #37
So? you can whip up all the pics you can.. that was Cha Aug 2019 #41
President Obama and David Axelrod had a close working relationship bluewater Aug 2019 #53
Nance spent decades behind the scenes protecting American democracy. oasis Aug 2019 #43
"I went by the White House to sit down with my old friend and reflect on the road he's traveled" bluewater Aug 2019 #50
Whoop-Dee-doo. oasis Aug 2019 #63
President Obama was Commander-in-Chief bluewater Aug 2019 #64
The attempt to elevate the importance of a PR guy over oasis Aug 2019 #66
The attempt to denigrate a Senior Adviser to President Obama is puzzling to me. bluewater Aug 2019 #68
Might be a good idea for the FORMER adviser to oasis Aug 2019 #69
Please quote what Axelrod actually said that you find objectionable. bluewater Aug 2019 #71
Send your complaints to "political nobody" Malcolm Nance. oasis Aug 2019 #74
Thanks for the Discussion bluewater Aug 2019 #75
Photo opportunities? Yes, Obama had many photos of he and his White House senior advisor Autumn Aug 2019 #56
Well, as fabulous as that is, it was not my point. oasis Aug 2019 #62
Kudos to David Axelrod for helping Obama run his wonderful winning campaigns. Autumn Aug 2019 #77
Calling Axelrod a nobody. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2019 #61
When you're done rolling, check the actual text in post #34. oasis Aug 2019 #67
ikr questionseverything Aug 2019 #78
Mahalo, oasis.. Axe got schooled by Malcom Nance Cha Aug 2019 #42
Folks here need to get schooled on the value of Malcolm Nance. oasis Aug 2019 #44
Thank You, oasis! Cha Aug 2019 #70
Oh, we are so afraid...not! NT emmaverybo Aug 2019 #32
Mike Allen? True Blue American Aug 2019 #80
Are you making light of that? progressoid Aug 2019 #47
DU Democrats don't ask "How high?" when media sez "Jump." blm Aug 2019 #26
John King on CNN just devoted about 10 minutes to this with his panel, annoyed the crap.... George II Aug 2019 #3
Usually it's Joy Reid SCVDem Aug 2019 #7
# But her ******* emails!!!!!!1111111 Cha Aug 2019 #13
we won't get fooled again crazytown Aug 2019 #14
Exacty! As usual the Cha Aug 2019 #15
P.S. I just posted that to somebody who needed to see it.. Cha Aug 2019 #17
You're welcome :) crazytown Aug 2019 #18
The media got Trump elected and they are trying to re-elect him but it Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #4
I'm happy to see that the M$M is getting pushback for their pile on. nt Kahuna7 Aug 2019 #5
+1000 Peacetrain Aug 2019 #8
Amen! MSNBC has been awful about repeating and repeating his gaffes. Frustratedlady Aug 2019 #9
"How many of us don't make gaffes?" Lordquinton Aug 2019 #19
MSNBC was the one thing i would sometimes listen to in the mornings. Not anymore. onetexan Aug 2019 #20
Joe Biden is the most electable candidate that the Democratic Party has available Gothmog Aug 2019 #11
Yes he is Green Line Aug 2019 #12
Yeah, and it didn't serve him well in his previous two runs at the presidency either. progressoid Aug 2019 #48
I think this race is getting to the point where it is Biden or bust. Joe941 Aug 2019 #21
Symone Sanders-"I want to be very clear: this is a press narrative, not a voter narrative." Gothmog Aug 2019 #29
a lot of people.... quickesst Aug 2019 #30
And Biden still front-running. Guess his "name recognition" has legs! Or could it be voters emmaverybo Aug 2019 #31
I'll put it this way quickesst Aug 2019 #45
I couldn't agree more! Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #55
Point of order. AtheistCrusader Aug 2019 #46
And that those who defended him were mostly blind supporters and sycophants. progressoid Aug 2019 #49
Amen! Princetonian Aug 2019 #51
Let Bartlett Be Bartlett! elleng Aug 2019 #52
I often walked that set SCVDem Aug 2019 #54
Great! elleng Aug 2019 #57
Have to agree wholeheartedly! FloridaBlues Aug 2019 #58
Heartily Agree! Tarryall Aug 2019 #59
The "gaffes" are one reason I like Biden JPPaverage Aug 2019 #60
These alleged gaffes are eye-rolling examples of the absurdity of the press or the woke left Gothmog Sep 2019 #84
Not my first choice, but yes, its ridiculous the double standard in the MSM LiberalLovinLug Aug 2019 #65
Opinion: There are more important things to worry about than Biden's gaffes Gothmog Aug 2019 #72
you do understand that it is not Democrats "nitpicking of Joe Biden's minor errors in his speeches." Perseus Aug 2019 #73
I disagree-Biden needs to be compared to trump Gothmog Aug 2019 #76
Sure, but in the process Biden needs to guard himself from gaffs Perseus Aug 2019 #79
It's not just republicans that will use his "gaffs" but he said the paraphrased Kind of Blue Aug 2019 #81
Concerns about Biden's age and mental fitness are likely overblown Gothmog Aug 2019 #82
"Voters just don't care... they think that he's an honorable man..." Gothmog Sep 2019 #83
Joe Biden's appeal actually isn't a mystery Gothmog Sep 2019 #85
 

Thekaspervote

(32,782 posts)
1. Thx SCVDem!! On point with your post!!
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 12:24 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

bluewater

(5,376 posts)
2. Sorry, the media has decided on the narrative: Biden's Gaffes matter. Trump's don't.
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 12:29 PM
Aug 2019

Better get used to that.

The media is going to HAMMER Biden more and more each time he makes a verbal misstep.

It will get 10 times worse if and when he's the nominee.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
6. It's actually just certain pundits with their own very transparent agenda. nt
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 12:36 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

katmondoo

(6,457 posts)
10. I am for Biden and Warren
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 12:50 PM
Aug 2019

What Gaffes????????

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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
22. #ButHerEmails ?!?
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 08:50 PM
Aug 2019



You mean this Axelrod tweet?

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Cha

(297,378 posts)
23. #ButHerEmails punditry.
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 09:00 PM
Aug 2019
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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
24. Nance humping his book by trying to smear David Axelrod?
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 09:09 PM
Aug 2019

Pinned Tweet

Malcolm Nance
?
Verified account

@MalcolmNance
1 Jul 2018

MAKE A STAND: Help PUSH Plot to Destroy Democracy to #1 ⁦@amazon⁩ to send a message that our American Democracy will not go softly in the night. Go git it. Read it. Review it! #SaveDemocracy

Ok.....



Why should we care what a political nobody humping his latest book says about David Axelrod besides it's obviously a ploy for attention?!?

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Cha

(297,378 posts)
25. Positive Malcom Nance thread has over a 100 Recs..
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 09:23 PM
Aug 2019
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=235585

You're the only one trying to smear Malcom Nance.
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blm

(113,071 posts)
27. Odd that. Really odd since
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 09:36 PM
Aug 2019

Most Warren supporters just don’t go there.

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Cha

(297,378 posts)
28. Very odd.. especially if
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 09:42 PM
Aug 2019

you see the denials, when informed on that thread, that #but her emails is not a rw talking point.

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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
33. LOL Trying to re-argue some other old thread in this one now?
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 12:07 AM
Aug 2019


Pardon me...



Wheh!

OK, got it.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,378 posts)
35. Get over it.. you lost.
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 12:23 AM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

bluewater

(5,376 posts)
36. "Get over it.. you lost." Seems I must have "won" lol
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 12:25 AM
Aug 2019

LOL

I am not following anyone around trying to re-argue old threads.



Seriously now. lol

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Cha

(297,378 posts)
38. Yes you did, bluewater.. and if anyone cares to see how badly..
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 01:00 AM
Aug 2019

Here's the thread..

Malcolm Nance just called David Axelrod's critique of Biden "#ButHerEmails punditry"



https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=235585
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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
39. lol STILL trying to re-argue some old thread in this one now? ok ok I "lost" lol
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 01:02 AM
Aug 2019




Wheh! lol

I am glad THAT is settled.





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Cha

(297,378 posts)
40. Malcolm Nance just called David Axelrod's critique of Biden "#ButHerEmails punditry"
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 01:05 AM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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oasis

(49,393 posts)
34. Malcolm Nance is a knowledgable, heavyweight insider. I guarantee you
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 12:19 AM
Aug 2019

nobody's clamoring to find out what David Axelrod has to say.

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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
37. President Obama and David Axelrod in the Oval Office.
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 12:51 AM
Aug 2019


President Barack Obama talks with senior adviser David Axelrod at the White House in 2009.

Um, are there any pics of Malcolm Nance together with President Obama in the Oval Office?

No... I don't think there are.

Compared to David Axelrod, Malcom "please buy my book on Amazon" Nance is a political nobody.

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Cha

(297,378 posts)
41. So? you can whip up all the pics you can.. that was
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 01:07 AM
Aug 2019

then.. this is now. And, Axe got schooled by Malcom Nance.


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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
53. President Obama and David Axelrod had a close working relationship
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 11:16 AM
Aug 2019


"And I actually had this interesting conversation with Obama after the election … when we were thinking about, we knew we were going to win," he added. "And I said 'I don't, you know, I don't know if I can go.' And he said 'Why not?' And I said, 'Well, first of all … I've spent my whole life setting myself up so I could tell anybody I wanted to go f--- themselves.' And I've walked out of campaigns, and work situations, when I thought it wasn't right. And, I said, 'and you can't say that to the president of the United States.'"

What Obama said next, according to Axelrod, was exactly what the strategist needed to hear.

"And he said 'Well, you know, that's probably true. You can't really say that to the President,' he said," Axelrod explained. "And then he made the case why it was important … and at the end of it, he said 'And one other thing.'"


"He said, 'You can tell me to f--- myself. Just don't do it in front of anybody else,'" Axelrod said. "So I went."

Axelrod ultimately worked as a senior adviser to Obama from 2009 to 2011, and as a top aide on the President's 2012 reelection campaign.

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/david-axelrod-shares-swear-agreement-obama-article-1.2404597

President Obama was simply THE best. And he valued David Axelrod highly. Personally, that's good enough for me!
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oasis

(49,393 posts)
43. Nance spent decades behind the scenes protecting American democracy.
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 08:31 AM
Aug 2019

There's a risk in chalking up a bunch of photo opportunities while being involved in such a dangerous trade. Most of us have that understanding.

You have your pic of Axe and Obama in the Oval Office.

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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
50. "I went by the White House to sit down with my old friend and reflect on the road he's traveled"
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 11:08 AM
Aug 2019

Full transcript: David Axelrod interviews President Barack Obama for The Axe Files



AXELROD (voiceover): I first met Barack Obama when he returned to Chicago from law school in the early '90s to run a voter registration drive. And while I didn't realize at that moment where history would take him, I was taken by him, as someone who really cared about public service, was committed to devoting his life to it, and together, we had an incredible journey.

Now, as the new year approaches, the days are ticking down on the Obama administration, and so I went by the White House to sit down with my old friend and reflect on the road he's traveled.

https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/26/politics/axe-files-obama-transcript/index.html

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oasis

(49,393 posts)
63. Whoop-Dee-doo.
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 01:56 PM
Aug 2019


Meanwhile, America's "political nobody", Malcolm Nance was keeping the wolf from the front door.
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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
64. President Obama was Commander-in-Chief
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 02:12 PM
Aug 2019

President Obama and his White House staff worked tirelessly to keep America safe.

That staff included President Obama's Senior Adviser David Axelrod.

No one should even attempt to diminish President Obama's legacy. No one.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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oasis

(49,393 posts)
66. The attempt to elevate the importance of a PR guy over
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 02:25 PM
Aug 2019

a bona fide hero is puzzling to me, but not that big of a deal.

That being said, we're done here.

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Joe Biden
 

bluewater

(5,376 posts)
68. The attempt to denigrate a Senior Adviser to President Obama is puzzling to me.
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 02:37 PM
Aug 2019

President Obama's Senior Staff were his core of support and highly valued sources of information and feedback on a gamut of issues facing the President.

We are all familiar with how closely a President interacts with his Senior White House Staff.



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oasis

(49,393 posts)
69. Might be a good idea for the FORMER adviser to
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 02:59 PM
Aug 2019

knock off his "but for her e-mails punditry". Then maybe folks will get off his case.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
71. Please quote what Axelrod actually said that you find objectionable.
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 03:42 PM
Aug 2019

Please be specific and cut and paste what Axelrod said in his tweet that you find to be "#butheremails punditry".

No paraphrasing, no vagueness -- just cut and paste what Axelrod actually said himself to help me understand your point.

That should be easy to do, right?

Thanks.



Here's Axelrod's tweet:


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oasis

(49,393 posts)
74. Send your complaints to "political nobody" Malcolm Nance.
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 04:43 PM
Aug 2019

He likely would find what you wrote about him "objectionable". I did. That's why I joined this discussion in the first place. No "ax to grind" with your favorite PR man, Axe. I stand by my original post on the subject of the two men.

Adios amigo

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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
75. Thanks for the Discussion
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 04:57 PM
Aug 2019

I still don't know why anyone is slamming Axelrod's tweet.

I really don't understand why Nance went so over the top about it. It was Nance's tweet that I found offensive, mischaracterizing what Axelrod actually said.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Autumn

(45,120 posts)
56. Photo opportunities? Yes, Obama had many photos of he and his White House senior advisor
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 11:36 AM
Aug 2019

David Axelrod, who was also his Chief Strategist to his campaigns.

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Undecided
 

oasis

(49,393 posts)
62. Well, as fabulous as that is, it was not my point.
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 01:49 PM
Aug 2019

Malcolm Nance was very busy protecting the great and good land we live in for 3 decades. His line of work didn't lend itself to constant exposure to the public.

Kudos to Axe, btw, for cranking out those photos.

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Autumn

(45,120 posts)
77. Kudos to David Axelrod for helping Obama run his wonderful winning campaigns.
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 05:22 PM
Aug 2019

Nothing like having a great advisor and a fantastic strategist.

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Undecided
 

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,330 posts)
61. Calling Axelrod a nobody.
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 01:43 PM
Aug 2019


We’ve officially gone off the rails.
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oasis

(49,393 posts)
67. When you're done rolling, check the actual text in post #34.
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 02:30 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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Cha

(297,378 posts)
42. Mahalo, oasis.. Axe got schooled by Malcom Nance
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 01:08 AM
Aug 2019

and someone isn't taking it very well.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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oasis

(49,393 posts)
44. Folks here need to get schooled on the value of Malcolm Nance.
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 08:37 AM
Aug 2019

Thanks Cha, for providing the info.





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Cha

(297,378 posts)
70. Thank You, oasis!
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 03:22 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
32. Oh, we are so afraid...not! NT
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 11:42 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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True Blue American

(17,988 posts)
80. Mike Allen?
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 04:35 AM
Aug 2019

That blooming idiot is as Republican as they come!

Tried to be another Drudge, media pushed him. Then Axios, MSNBC takes him as gospel. I turn the slimy, grinning, wanta be journalist off as soon as I see him. Cable news,too when they try to make Joe on a par with that lying snake in the WhiteHouse!

The Corporate media does not decide for me.

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progressoid

(49,992 posts)
47. Are you making light of that?
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 10:55 AM
Aug 2019

Because that email campaign against her was partially successful in rallying the GOP against her and confincing low information voters to doubt her.

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Undecided
 

blm

(113,071 posts)
26. DU Democrats don't ask "How high?" when media sez "Jump."
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 09:34 PM
Aug 2019

If you do then perhaps you need to rethink your priorities. Truth matters.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
3. John King on CNN just devoted about 10 minutes to this with his panel, annoyed the crap....
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 12:29 PM
Aug 2019

....out of me.

He's been doing stuff like this for decades, but he's never been so visible before.

GIVE HIM A BREAK, he's a recovered stutterer, and he's done a damned good job of overcoming it.

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SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
7. Usually it's Joy Reid
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 12:36 PM
Aug 2019

But it bothers me when late night shows, including Trevor Noah, really dig in to make it a comedic point.

I am on the edge of "CLICK"!

Unless you want four more of tRump, STFU!

I will not watch your bullshit if we lose.

It is not comedy and it is costing us our Democracy!

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Cha

(297,378 posts)
13. # But her ******* emails!!!!!!1111111
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 06:16 PM
Aug 2019
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crazytown

(7,277 posts)
14. we won't get fooled again
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 06:35 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

Cha

(297,378 posts)
15. Exacty! As usual the
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 06:45 PM
Aug 2019

media doesn't give a shite.

Thanks, crazytown

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Cha

(297,378 posts)
17. P.S. I just posted that to somebody who needed to see it..
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 06:49 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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crazytown

(7,277 posts)
18. You're welcome :)
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 06:50 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Skya Rhen

(2,701 posts)
4. The media got Trump elected and they are trying to re-elect him but it
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 12:29 PM
Aug 2019

won’t work. The voters are behind Biden and they won’t let the media dictate to them.

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Kahuna7

(2,531 posts)
5. I'm happy to see that the M$M is getting pushback for their pile on. nt
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 12:32 PM
Aug 2019
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Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
9. Amen! MSNBC has been awful about repeating and repeating his gaffes.
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 12:41 PM
Aug 2019

For one, I thought the comment about Parkland was true except that he wasn't the VP at the time... He was the former VP at the time when they came to visit him. Did I get the wrong information? Did they actually come to visit like I read?

How many of us don't make gaffes?

They just won't get off his back, even if he corrected his comments while speaking.

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Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
19. "How many of us don't make gaffes?"
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 07:03 PM
Aug 2019

How many of us are running for President?

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onetexan

(13,046 posts)
20. MSNBC was the one thing i would sometimes listen to in the mornings. Not anymore.
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 07:27 PM
Aug 2019

I hated some of the ridiculous political attacks on Dems candidates. That Chuck Todd is horridly spineless and a smug idiot.
Till Joe wins the nomination i will continue to boycott network tv news and get the news online.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,376 posts)
11. Joe Biden is the most electable candidate that the Democratic Party has available
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 02:24 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Green Line

(1,123 posts)
12. Yes he is
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 02:26 PM
Aug 2019

They're using his gaffes to point out his age, trouble is, Joe has always had gaffes, as do all of us.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

progressoid

(49,992 posts)
48. Yeah, and it didn't serve him well in his previous two runs at the presidency either.
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 10:57 AM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Joe941

(2,848 posts)
21. I think this race is getting to the point where it is Biden or bust.
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 08:08 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Gothmog

(145,376 posts)
29. Symone Sanders-"I want to be very clear: this is a press narrative, not a voter narrative."
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 10:41 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

quickesst

(6,280 posts)
30. a lot of people....
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 10:50 PM
Aug 2019

.... seem to be mistaking their thousand nitpicks for a thousand cuts. It's a flurry of activity, but when the dust eventually settles, the only thing left is disappointment.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
31. And Biden still front-running. Guess his "name recognition" has legs! Or could it be voters
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 11:39 PM
Aug 2019

recognize superior job qualifications?

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

quickesst

(6,280 posts)
45. I'll put it this way
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 09:51 AM
Aug 2019

If Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, and even Kamala Harris, and Beto O'Rourke have not established name recognition by now, then who is at fault. The answer is noone. After months of campaigning, and two major debates, their names are recognized from coast to coast. That does it for the name recognition excuse. I believe that what people are looking for in a president is someone they can trust to repair all the damage the orange one's administration has inflicted upon this nation. Joe Biden is that person.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Skya Rhen

(2,701 posts)
55. I couldn't agree more!
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 11:36 AM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
46. Point of order.
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 10:14 AM
Aug 2019

"Let Reagan Be Reagan. He wasn't ripped apart over his many mistakes"

Reagan was regularly pilloried for senility and openly suspected of Alzheimer's (which was later found to be accurate).


So, maybe not the best example there.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

progressoid

(49,992 posts)
49. And that those who defended him were mostly blind supporters and sycophants.
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 11:01 AM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

elleng

(131,006 posts)
52. Let Bartlett Be Bartlett!
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 11:13 AM
Aug 2019

THANK YOU!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
54. I often walked that set
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 11:31 AM
Aug 2019

when most times it was empty. It was a real White House with everything connected for the 'walk and talk' shots.

It was just freakin awesome to be working at WB at that time.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

FloridaBlues

(4,008 posts)
58. Have to agree wholeheartedly!
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 11:58 AM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Tarryall

(1 post)
59. Heartily Agree!
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 12:11 PM
Aug 2019

When you talk as much as candidates do, gaffes are going to be made. I prefer real words coming out of their mouth to tired teleprompter speeches.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

JPPaverage

(508 posts)
60. The "gaffes" are one reason I like Biden
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 01:02 PM
Aug 2019

It makes him seem more like a genuine guy instead of some stiff rehearsed type. People like me, working stiffs, can relate more to that kind of thing. And Joe seems more like a normal guy than the freak in the White House ever will be, gaffes or not. At least Biden isnt a serial liar.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,376 posts)
84. These alleged gaffes are eye-rolling examples of the absurdity of the press or the woke left
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 08:30 PM
Sep 2019



To many Biden supporters, who polls consistently show are older, more working class, and more culturally conservative, these alleged gaffes are eye-rolling examples of the absurdity of the press or the woke left. They think the young activist in eastern Iowa should toughen up, that the throwaway line to the 13-year-old is endearing, and that Biden’s lack of precision when he speaks, about scooters or so many other things, is a sign of his authenticity. And they grouse that Biden is held to a standard President Donald Trump is not.

How Democrats see such episodes is at the heart of the Democratic primary. One side views these sorts of typical Biden campaign-trail moments as evidence of a politician well past his prime — casually sexist in a way that might have gone unremarked in, say, 1973 when he first joined the Senate. His supporters see them as good examples of why he’s the lovable Democrat best-suited to beat Trump. What is clear is that the critics, who are louder and more visible online and on cable TV, have had absolutely no impact on changing Biden’s status as the steady front-runner in the race.

This woke-working class divide is at the heart of the most salient fact about the Democratic primaries: Nothing has damaged Biden. Biden entered the race with about 30 percent support nationally and he has that same 30 percent today.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LiberalLovinLug

(14,175 posts)
65. Not my first choice, but yes, its ridiculous the double standard in the MSM
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 02:24 PM
Aug 2019

But we tend to forget that their cult followers are so conditioned that they can be swayed to believe not only false equivalencies, but that the Democrats, or liberals, are doing whatever is the crime du jour even more.

Trump is colluding with Russia? THE CLINTON FOUNDATION RECEIVED SECRET DONATIONS FROM RUSSIA. RUSSIA WAS HELPING THEM MORE!

Trump has a history of serial infidelity and a sexual abuser? BILL CLINTON RAPED MULTIPLE WOMEN AND HILLARY RAN A CHILD SEX RING!

Mueller, a Republican, found Trump guilty of obstruction, but Barr "barred" him from charging a sitting President? ITS A GROUP OF ANGRY DEMOCRATS THAT FOUND NOTHING!

So they will honestly believe, after the MSM piles on this narrative for the next 12 months, that Joe has a worse mouth than Donald grab-em-by-the-pussy Trump. At least in the minds of half the country.

Its very unfair. How our side values those damn FACTS more. They have a kind of advantage in that they don't have to regard those pesky things. But it means that a candidate like Biden is vulnerable, much as Hillary was, with such a long history to glean and overblow any gaffe he's ever made. Which is why, regrettably, it would be a mistake to elect him as our candidate.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Gothmog

(145,376 posts)
72. Opinion: There are more important things to worry about than Biden's gaffes
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 04:29 PM
Aug 2019



My response to both was the same, as it was when I was asked about the Biden issue on MSNBC’s “Andrea Mitchell Reports.” There is a racist sitting in the Oval Office implementing a white supremacist policy agenda. So, you focus on Biden’s mouth marbles, and I’ll keep my eyes on the prize. The prize being the eviction of Trump from the White House.

As Waldman also wrote, Trump “is waging a reelection campaign based on racism and fear,” not to mention being “the most prolific liar in American political history (he just passed 12,000 false or misleading claims).” And what makes the focus on Biden’s mouth extra aggravating is how it wipes our memories of the moronic things said by this president, as my follower @absolut_irish was so kind to remind Biden’s critics.


Some of these are funny. Some are worthy of a cocked eyebrow. But they are not nearly as consequential as the racist and white supremacist beliefs parroted by Trump and the right-wing echo chamber that found their way into the manifesto of the suspect in the El Paso mass shooting, who told police his target was "Mexicans.” The atmosphere of menace and danger is now indisputable. Your time would be better spent worrying about the shredding of our values, ideals and the rule of law than the flubs of a particular candidate who would put an end to this shameful chapter.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
73. you do understand that it is not Democrats "nitpicking of Joe Biden's minor errors in his speeches."
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 04:31 PM
Aug 2019

If most voters were objective, did their due diligence electing people to higher office, understood that there are liars who on top of that are horrible people, that there are other people who are good and occasionally make blunders when they speak, then great, nothing to worry about.

The reality is something else, most voters are not politically savvy, they go with what they hear on the radio, TV, what uncle Bubba, or their parents tell them. The majority of voters don't do their due diligence vetting their candidates, and thus make bad choices as we have seen over and over.

Remember how republicans sold GW as "the guy you can have a beer with"??? Sure...that will be the day, but they ate it up.

Biden needs to be reminded that republicans, although they don't do much right, they are great at propaganda, they will take any Biden gaff and make it into a meme in no time...Example: "Weapons of Mass Destruction"...Even after it had been proven there were no WMD, that GW Bush had accepted there were none, people were still talking about the existence of those and the major reason for invading Iraq.

Forgive me, but most voters are really stupid, the republicans will take one of Biden's gaffs, run with it, make a meme of it, and all the stupid people will believe it.

Biden needs to avoid making any more gaffs, if he doesn't he is going to spend a lot of time defending them, and that is no way to run a campaign.

We must be objective, we must recognize the faults of those we support, if we can make suggestions to those people to make sure they make amendments then great, but to defend at all cost what is in fact a weak point and doesn't serve anyone well, that is not good.

"The problem with the World is that intelligent people are fool of doubt, while stupid people are full of confidence."
~~ Charles Bukowski
And republicans are full of confidence.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Gothmog

(145,376 posts)
76. I disagree-Biden needs to be compared to trump
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 04:59 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
79. Sure, but in the process Biden needs to guard himself from gaffs
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 07:17 PM
Aug 2019

The more gaffs he makes the more republicans will compare Biden as an equal to the creature, and if you don't believe in the power of propaganda from republicans then you have not seen them in action.

All the noise they made with Biden's gaff about "Asian and Black kids are as smart as white kids" (not verbatim)...they ran with that, and if you don't think they will exploit past and future gaffs from Biden you are underestimating them. I am sure they have a group of people, as we speak, going through all the gaffs Biden has made in his life, they will not be reduced to the new gaffs, I bet they will bring things from the past as well.

If Biden becomes the nominee I want him to win by an landslide, his campaign must be perfect, the fact that you are a fan of his and see him on a great light doesn't mean other people see him the same, on the contrary, other people are just waiting to "hear" more, and republicans will make sure they "hear" the negative propaganda.

Have we forgotten about "her emails"? What a meme, how well it worked...OK.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Kind of Blue

(8,709 posts)
81. It's not just republicans that will use his "gaffs" but he said the paraphrased
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 07:08 AM
Aug 2019

words in a speech before the Asian & Latino Coalition in Des Moines. They did an about-face and endorsed his opponent.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Gothmog

(145,376 posts)
82. Concerns about Biden's age and mental fitness are likely overblown
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 03:03 PM
Aug 2019


But concerns about Biden’s age and mental fitness are likely overblown, according to experts on aging and the brain, as well as actuarial tables used by the insurance industry to estimate the health and longevity of customers.....

“He is every bit as sharp as he was 31 years ago. I haven’t seen any change,” Kassell said. “I can tell you with absolute certainty that he had no brain damage, either from the hemorrhage or from the operations that he had. There was no damage whatsoever.”...

“When you hear somebody on TV and they make a mistake during a speech or a debate, you’ve got to cut them some slack,” Olshansky said. “If you’ve ever given a speech, it’s not easy standing in front of a crowd of people — especially standing in front of television cameras with millions of people watching — and avoiding verbal mistakes.”

Biden’s physician, Dr. Kevin O'Connor, said in a statement provided by the campaign that “Vice President Biden is in excellent physical condition. He is more than capable of handling the rigors of the campaign and the office for which he is running.”

Kassell, who performed brain surgery on Biden, went a step further: “I am going to vote for the candidate who I am absolutely certain has a brain that is functioning. And that narrows it down exactly to one.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,376 posts)
83. "Voters just don't care... they think that he's an honorable man..."
Fri Sep 6, 2019, 06:21 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,376 posts)
85. Joe Biden's appeal actually isn't a mystery
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 08:31 PM
Sep 2019



Biden shows reverence for the most popular Democrat around, former president Barack Obama; others find fault in everything from the Affordable Care Act to immigration policy. Biden does not bombard voters with a torrent of multi-part plans; he gives them a few basic positions and defends them. Biden does not campaign from the neck up; he campaigns with his heart on his sleeve. Biden is deeply optimistic; his opponents think Americans are the problem, not Trump. (I don’t suggest that his opponents are wrong, merely that their stance apparently isn’t as popular as they thought.) Biden wants normalcy plus reform; his opponents want a peaceful revolution. Biden knows people want to be heard and seen; his opponents (with the exception of Sen. Kamala D. Harris) don’t fully grasp this. They want to “help," to pepper people with ideas and a to-do list, while Biden takes the time to listen to them. (Think of the well-meaning friend who has a thousand suggestions when you are grieving and you’d rather they just shut up and commiserate.)

This is the grouchy-white-guy-in-the-diner problem all over again. Reporters are blinded by their own age, background, education and geography. Instead of going to West Virginia diners to find the Trump voter, reporters should go talk to the residents of The Villages in Florida, the African American churchgoing ladies and the buttoned-down professionals in the affluent suburbs (the Romney-Clinton voters). These people have endured a noisy, offensive and intrusive presence in the White House. They don’t necessarily want a different noisy, intrusive presence — even one they agree with on substance.

Part of the “mystery” of Biden’s appeal would be solved if the moderators flipped their questions, as one smart Democrat not in the Biden camp put it. Instead of asking Biden or another moderate, “Why aren’t you going with the big, bold idea of Medicare-for-all?,” the moderators might consider asking Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) or Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), “Why blow up Obamacare, and why don’t you trust people to choose Medicare if given the option?” Instead of assuming that extreme proposals are the standard, requiring the moderates to explain why they are such wet blankets, the moderators should press the super-progressives on questions such as: What makes you think that voters want to go through another health-care makeover? Why should poorer people pay for richer people’s health care or subsidize their college debt?

Better yet, ask the candidates to relate the personal story from a voter who moved them the most, or the last voter whose phone number they took so that the candidate could call later, or the most insightful thing they have heard from a voter. It might reveal who is talking at voters and who is listening to them.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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