Democratic Primaries
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I have had quite enough of all the nitpicking of Joe Biden's minor errors in his speeches. Picking one word out of an entire speech to use as an attack is insane and does us no good.
Does one word destroy everything else? Hell no! This is just Joe. I'm sure most of the speeches are out of the blue and most delivered from the heart, rather that a prompter. Let's see Trump do that.
Let Bartlett Be Bartlett! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_Bartlet_Be_Bartlet
Or for the real world, Let Reagan Be Reagan. He wasn't ripped apart over his many mistakes.
There is a major difference when you defend a pathological liar while calling every misspoken word by Joe Biden a gaffe.
Stop feeding the flames of pettiness. There are many missteps on the campaign trail, many brought by fatigue. It happens to the youngest as well as the oldest.
Do we really want to sling shit over a mistake? I am glad everyone else is so perfect 24/7.
Let's focus on the important issues and embrace the reasons we like Joe Biden!
LET BIDEN BE BIDEN!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluewater
(5,376 posts)Better get used to that.
The media is going to HAMMER Biden more and more each time he makes a verbal misstep.
It will get 10 times worse if and when he's the nominee.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
katmondoo
(6,457 posts)What Gaffes????????
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,378 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluewater
(5,376 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,378 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluewater
(5,376 posts)Pinned Tweet
Malcolm Nance
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Verified account
@MalcolmNance
1 Jul 2018
MAKE A STAND: Help PUSH Plot to Destroy Democracy to #1 @amazon to send a message that our American Democracy will not go softly in the night. Go git it. Read it. Review it! #SaveDemocracy
Ok.....
Why should we care what a political nobody humping his latest book says about David Axelrod besides it's obviously a ploy for attention?!?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,378 posts)You're the only one trying to smear Malcom Nance.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
blm
(113,071 posts)Most Warren supporters just dont go there.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,378 posts)you see the denials, when informed on that thread, that #but her emails is not a rw talking point.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluewater
(5,376 posts)Pardon me...
Wheh!
OK, got it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,378 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluewater
(5,376 posts)LOL
I am not following anyone around trying to re-argue old threads.
Seriously now. lol
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,378 posts)Here's the thread..
Malcolm Nance just called David Axelrod's critique of Biden "#ButHerEmails punditry"
Link to tweet
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=235585
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluewater
(5,376 posts)Wheh! lol
I am glad THAT is settled.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,378 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oasis
(49,393 posts)nobody's clamoring to find out what David Axelrod has to say.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluewater
(5,376 posts)President Barack Obama talks with senior adviser David Axelrod at the White House in 2009.
Um, are there any pics of Malcolm Nance together with President Obama in the Oval Office?
No... I don't think there are.
Compared to David Axelrod, Malcom "please buy my book on Amazon" Nance is a political nobody.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,378 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluewater
(5,376 posts)"And I actually had this interesting conversation with Obama after the election when we were thinking about, we knew we were going to win," he added. "And I said 'I don't, you know, I don't know if I can go.' And he said 'Why not?' And I said, 'Well, first of all I've spent my whole life setting myself up so I could tell anybody I wanted to go f--- themselves.' And I've walked out of campaigns, and work situations, when I thought it wasn't right. And, I said, 'and you can't say that to the president of the United States.'"
What Obama said next, according to Axelrod, was exactly what the strategist needed to hear.
"And he said 'Well, you know, that's probably true. You can't really say that to the President,' he said," Axelrod explained. "And then he made the case why it was important and at the end of it, he said 'And one other thing.'"
"He said, 'You can tell me to f--- myself. Just don't do it in front of anybody else,'" Axelrod said. "So I went."
Axelrod ultimately worked as a senior adviser to Obama from 2009 to 2011, and as a top aide on the President's 2012 reelection campaign.
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/david-axelrod-shares-swear-agreement-obama-article-1.2404597
President Obama was simply THE best. And he valued David Axelrod highly. Personally, that's good enough for me!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oasis
(49,393 posts)There's a risk in chalking up a bunch of photo opportunities while being involved in such a dangerous trade. Most of us have that understanding.
You have your pic of Axe and Obama in the Oval Office.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluewater
(5,376 posts)Full transcript: David Axelrod interviews President Barack Obama for The Axe Files
AXELROD (voiceover): I first met Barack Obama when he returned to Chicago from law school in the early '90s to run a voter registration drive. And while I didn't realize at that moment where history would take him, I was taken by him, as someone who really cared about public service, was committed to devoting his life to it, and together, we had an incredible journey.
Now, as the new year approaches, the days are ticking down on the Obama administration, and so I went by the White House to sit down with my old friend and reflect on the road he's traveled.
https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/26/politics/axe-files-obama-transcript/index.html
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oasis
(49,393 posts)Meanwhile, America's "political nobody", Malcolm Nance was keeping the wolf from the front door.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluewater
(5,376 posts)President Obama and his White House staff worked tirelessly to keep America safe.
That staff included President Obama's Senior Adviser David Axelrod.
No one should even attempt to diminish President Obama's legacy. No one.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oasis
(49,393 posts)a bona fide hero is puzzling to me, but not that big of a deal.
That being said, we're done here.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluewater
(5,376 posts)President Obama's Senior Staff were his core of support and highly valued sources of information and feedback on a gamut of issues facing the President.
We are all familiar with how closely a President interacts with his Senior White House Staff.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oasis
(49,393 posts)knock off his "but for her e-mails punditry". Then maybe folks will get off his case.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluewater
(5,376 posts)Please be specific and cut and paste what Axelrod said in his tweet that you find to be "#butheremails punditry".
No paraphrasing, no vagueness -- just cut and paste what Axelrod actually said himself to help me understand your point.
That should be easy to do, right?
Thanks.
Here's Axelrod's tweet:
Link to tweet
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oasis
(49,393 posts)He likely would find what you wrote about him "objectionable". I did. That's why I joined this discussion in the first place. No "ax to grind" with your favorite PR man, Axe. I stand by my original post on the subject of the two men.
Adios amigo
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluewater
(5,376 posts)I still don't know why anyone is slamming Axelrod's tweet.
I really don't understand why Nance went so over the top about it. It was Nance's tweet that I found offensive, mischaracterizing what Axelrod actually said.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,120 posts)David Axelrod, who was also his Chief Strategist to his campaigns.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
oasis
(49,393 posts)Malcolm Nance was very busy protecting the great and good land we live in for 3 decades. His line of work didn't lend itself to constant exposure to the public.
Kudos to Axe, btw, for cranking out those photos.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,120 posts)Nothing like having a great advisor and a fantastic strategist.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,330 posts)Weve officially gone off the rails.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
oasis
(49,393 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
questionseverything
(9,656 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,378 posts)and someone isn't taking it very well.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oasis
(49,393 posts)Thanks Cha, for providing the info.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,378 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
True Blue American
(17,988 posts)That blooming idiot is as Republican as they come!
Tried to be another Drudge, media pushed him. Then Axios, MSNBC takes him as gospel. I turn the slimy, grinning, wanta be journalist off as soon as I see him. Cable news,too when they try to make Joe on a par with that lying snake in the WhiteHouse!
The Corporate media does not decide for me.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
progressoid
(49,992 posts)Because that email campaign against her was partially successful in rallying the GOP against her and confincing low information voters to doubt her.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
blm
(113,071 posts)If you do then perhaps you need to rethink your priorities. Truth matters.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)....out of me.
He's been doing stuff like this for decades, but he's never been so visible before.
GIVE HIM A BREAK, he's a recovered stutterer, and he's done a damned good job of overcoming it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SCVDem
(5,103 posts)But it bothers me when late night shows, including Trevor Noah, really dig in to make it a comedic point.
I am on the edge of "CLICK"!
Unless you want four more of tRump, STFU!
I will not watch your bullshit if we lose.
It is not comedy and it is costing us our Democracy!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,378 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,378 posts)media doesn't give a shite.
Thanks, crazytown
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,378 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Skya Rhen
(2,701 posts)wont work. The voters are behind Biden and they wont let the media dictate to them.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kahuna7
(2,531 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Peacetrain
(22,877 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)For one, I thought the comment about Parkland was true except that he wasn't the VP at the time... He was the former VP at the time when they came to visit him. Did I get the wrong information? Did they actually come to visit like I read?
How many of us don't make gaffes?
They just won't get off his back, even if he corrected his comments while speaking.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)How many of us are running for President?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
onetexan
(13,046 posts)I hated some of the ridiculous political attacks on Dems candidates. That Chuck Todd is horridly spineless and a smug idiot.
Till Joe wins the nomination i will continue to boycott network tv news and get the news online.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,376 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Green Line
(1,123 posts)They're using his gaffes to point out his age, trouble is, Joe has always had gaffes, as do all of us.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
progressoid
(49,992 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Joe941
(2,848 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,376 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
quickesst
(6,280 posts).... seem to be mistaking their thousand nitpicks for a thousand cuts. It's a flurry of activity, but when the dust eventually settles, the only thing left is disappointment.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)recognize superior job qualifications?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
quickesst
(6,280 posts)If Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, and even Kamala Harris, and Beto O'Rourke have not established name recognition by now, then who is at fault. The answer is noone. After months of campaigning, and two major debates, their names are recognized from coast to coast. That does it for the name recognition excuse. I believe that what people are looking for in a president is someone they can trust to repair all the damage the orange one's administration has inflicted upon this nation. Joe Biden is that person.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skya Rhen
(2,701 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)"Let Reagan Be Reagan. He wasn't ripped apart over his many mistakes"
Reagan was regularly pilloried for senility and openly suspected of Alzheimer's (which was later found to be accurate).
So, maybe not the best example there.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
progressoid
(49,992 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Princetonian
(1,501 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
elleng
(131,006 posts)THANK YOU!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SCVDem
(5,103 posts)when most times it was empty. It was a real White House with everything connected for the 'walk and talk' shots.
It was just freakin awesome to be working at WB at that time.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
FloridaBlues
(4,008 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tarryall
(1 post)When you talk as much as candidates do, gaffes are going to be made. I prefer real words coming out of their mouth to tired teleprompter speeches.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
JPPaverage
(508 posts)It makes him seem more like a genuine guy instead of some stiff rehearsed type. People like me, working stiffs, can relate more to that kind of thing. And Joe seems more like a normal guy than the freak in the White House ever will be, gaffes or not. At least Biden isnt a serial liar.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,376 posts)Link to tweet
How Democrats see such episodes is at the heart of the Democratic primary. One side views these sorts of typical Biden campaign-trail moments as evidence of a politician well past his prime casually sexist in a way that might have gone unremarked in, say, 1973 when he first joined the Senate. His supporters see them as good examples of why hes the lovable Democrat best-suited to beat Trump. What is clear is that the critics, who are louder and more visible online and on cable TV, have had absolutely no impact on changing Bidens status as the steady front-runner in the race.
This woke-working class divide is at the heart of the most salient fact about the Democratic primaries: Nothing has damaged Biden. Biden entered the race with about 30 percent support nationally and he has that same 30 percent today.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LiberalLovinLug
(14,175 posts)But we tend to forget that their cult followers are so conditioned that they can be swayed to believe not only false equivalencies, but that the Democrats, or liberals, are doing whatever is the crime du jour even more.
Trump is colluding with Russia? THE CLINTON FOUNDATION RECEIVED SECRET DONATIONS FROM RUSSIA. RUSSIA WAS HELPING THEM MORE!
Trump has a history of serial infidelity and a sexual abuser? BILL CLINTON RAPED MULTIPLE WOMEN AND HILLARY RAN A CHILD SEX RING!
Mueller, a Republican, found Trump guilty of obstruction, but Barr "barred" him from charging a sitting President? ITS A GROUP OF ANGRY DEMOCRATS THAT FOUND NOTHING!
So they will honestly believe, after the MSM piles on this narrative for the next 12 months, that Joe has a worse mouth than Donald grab-em-by-the-pussy Trump. At least in the minds of half the country.
Its very unfair. How our side values those damn FACTS more. They have a kind of advantage in that they don't have to regard those pesky things. But it means that a candidate like Biden is vulnerable, much as Hillary was, with such a long history to glean and overblow any gaffe he's ever made. Which is why, regrettably, it would be a mistake to elect him as our candidate.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,376 posts)Link to tweet
As Waldman also wrote, Trump is waging a reelection campaign based on racism and fear, not to mention being the most prolific liar in American political history (he just passed 12,000 false or misleading claims). And what makes the focus on Bidens mouth extra aggravating is how it wipes our memories of the moronic things said by this president, as my follower @absolut_irish was so kind to remind Bidens critics.
Link to tweet
Some of these are funny. Some are worthy of a cocked eyebrow. But they are not nearly as consequential as the racist and white supremacist beliefs parroted by Trump and the right-wing echo chamber that found their way into the manifesto of the suspect in the El Paso mass shooting, who told police his target was "Mexicans. The atmosphere of menace and danger is now indisputable. Your time would be better spent worrying about the shredding of our values, ideals and the rule of law than the flubs of a particular candidate who would put an end to this shameful chapter.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Perseus
(4,341 posts)If most voters were objective, did their due diligence electing people to higher office, understood that there are liars who on top of that are horrible people, that there are other people who are good and occasionally make blunders when they speak, then great, nothing to worry about.
The reality is something else, most voters are not politically savvy, they go with what they hear on the radio, TV, what uncle Bubba, or their parents tell them. The majority of voters don't do their due diligence vetting their candidates, and thus make bad choices as we have seen over and over.
Remember how republicans sold GW as "the guy you can have a beer with"??? Sure...that will be the day, but they ate it up.
Biden needs to be reminded that republicans, although they don't do much right, they are great at propaganda, they will take any Biden gaff and make it into a meme in no time...Example: "Weapons of Mass Destruction"...Even after it had been proven there were no WMD, that GW Bush had accepted there were none, people were still talking about the existence of those and the major reason for invading Iraq.
Forgive me, but most voters are really stupid, the republicans will take one of Biden's gaffs, run with it, make a meme of it, and all the stupid people will believe it.
Biden needs to avoid making any more gaffs, if he doesn't he is going to spend a lot of time defending them, and that is no way to run a campaign.
We must be objective, we must recognize the faults of those we support, if we can make suggestions to those people to make sure they make amendments then great, but to defend at all cost what is in fact a weak point and doesn't serve anyone well, that is not good.
"The problem with the World is that intelligent people are fool of doubt, while stupid people are full of confidence."
~~ Charles Bukowski
And republicans are full of confidence.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,376 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Perseus
(4,341 posts)The more gaffs he makes the more republicans will compare Biden as an equal to the creature, and if you don't believe in the power of propaganda from republicans then you have not seen them in action.
All the noise they made with Biden's gaff about "Asian and Black kids are as smart as white kids" (not verbatim)...they ran with that, and if you don't think they will exploit past and future gaffs from Biden you are underestimating them. I am sure they have a group of people, as we speak, going through all the gaffs Biden has made in his life, they will not be reduced to the new gaffs, I bet they will bring things from the past as well.
If Biden becomes the nominee I want him to win by an landslide, his campaign must be perfect, the fact that you are a fan of his and see him on a great light doesn't mean other people see him the same, on the contrary, other people are just waiting to "hear" more, and republicans will make sure they "hear" the negative propaganda.
Have we forgotten about "her emails"? What a meme, how well it worked...OK.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Kind of Blue
(8,709 posts)words in a speech before the Asian & Latino Coalition in Des Moines. They did an about-face and endorsed his opponent.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,376 posts)Link to tweet
He is every bit as sharp as he was 31 years ago. I havent seen any change, Kassell said. I can tell you with absolute certainty that he had no brain damage, either from the hemorrhage or from the operations that he had. There was no damage whatsoever....
When you hear somebody on TV and they make a mistake during a speech or a debate, youve got to cut them some slack, Olshansky said. If youve ever given a speech, its not easy standing in front of a crowd of people especially standing in front of television cameras with millions of people watching and avoiding verbal mistakes.
Bidens physician, Dr. Kevin O'Connor, said in a statement provided by the campaign that Vice President Biden is in excellent physical condition. He is more than capable of handling the rigors of the campaign and the office for which he is running.
Kassell, who performed brain surgery on Biden, went a step further: I am going to vote for the candidate who I am absolutely certain has a brain that is functioning. And that narrows it down exactly to one.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,376 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,376 posts)Link to tweet
This is the grouchy-white-guy-in-the-diner problem all over again. Reporters are blinded by their own age, background, education and geography. Instead of going to West Virginia diners to find the Trump voter, reporters should go talk to the residents of The Villages in Florida, the African American churchgoing ladies and the buttoned-down professionals in the affluent suburbs (the Romney-Clinton voters). These people have endured a noisy, offensive and intrusive presence in the White House. They dont necessarily want a different noisy, intrusive presence even one they agree with on substance.
Part of the mystery of Bidens appeal would be solved if the moderators flipped their questions, as one smart Democrat not in the Biden camp put it. Instead of asking Biden or another moderate, Why arent you going with the big, bold idea of Medicare-for-all?, the moderators might consider asking Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) or Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), Why blow up Obamacare, and why dont you trust people to choose Medicare if given the option? Instead of assuming that extreme proposals are the standard, requiring the moderates to explain why they are such wet blankets, the moderators should press the super-progressives on questions such as: What makes you think that voters want to go through another health-care makeover? Why should poorer people pay for richer peoples health care or subsidize their college debt?
Better yet, ask the candidates to relate the personal story from a voter who moved them the most, or the last voter whose phone number they took so that the candidate could call later, or the most insightful thing they have heard from a voter. It might reveal who is talking at voters and who is listening to them.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden