I still want to see a televised boxing match between Biden and Trump

the Geezers at Caesers

Elizabeth, Kamala, Biden and Warren would all easily knock him out

Sarcasm thingie.

kids these days waste their time on policy because they've gone soft

You be scraping the bottom of your insult barrel.

Yes, phony boxing matches at Caesar’s?

Very respectful too. Not

What has this discussion have to do with you having one toy when you were a dog?

and these were funny as shit...

Stealing.

Commander-In-Chief in 2020.


Our Dem septuagenarians rock (especially Joe)!

I remember when people were considered to have ruined their lives if they didn't go straight to college after high school. That was because they only had so many years to "make it" and have families, then 15-20 years while they continued to work.

Then retirement, often mandatory, at 55ish -- an age when average health was beginning to decline and some had already died. Once retired, men were "past it." It being everything except mowing, golf, watching sports, a little travel, for some being active in civic clubs. Women of course had been past it for the last 25 years or so and had already become increasingly invisible.

Now, in some real senses life begins at retirement, and no surprise that studies say this begins the happiest stage of life.

Like malapropisms, this kind of thing can be a quirk of personality. I think when they are so blown out of proportion-- when it is well known that they have been a lifelong pattern-- it is NOT benign and should reflect poorly on those promoting these critiques.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/articles/201203/slips-the-tongue
Slips of the Tongue
Most of us live in fear of unleashing a Freudian slip. Do you?

I have dyslexia. Words twist themselves around to me. But I have a pretty good IQ but apparently am unacceptable as I make slips of language every single day.

Of course many who hear a slip automatically condemn me as dumb or with dementia.

But they are assholes, right?

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And Biden walks like a young man.

why he isn't quite as fluent a speaker as some.

At 70. And all they can find is greeter at Walmart.

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folks, if they can find a job, get stuck in low wage positions, jobs that deny them the ability to use
qualifications they spent a life-time attaining. Society loses out too by relegating seniors to the trash-heap where their wisdom, intellect, life-long education formal or experiential is wasted.

BOOM!

Yup, the 70-somethings are leading the pack. Does it bother me? Not in the least because this is not an ordinary election.

I've said before: team up Biden with a young, charismatic VP (preferably female) and we'll have a ticket to slay Trump and pass on the torch to the next generation of Democratic leaders. Right now we need a POTUS to repair the damage done to our agencies, institutions, relationships with our allies while clearly warning our adversaries: We're back in town. Party-time is over.

We can do this!

Or would have been as the incumbent.

Maybe that is one of the things “back in the day”..

I recall DUers rising up to the bullshit promoted that way. We can't stop trolls from posting crap about candidates.. Obviously...

I am one of DU's Ageist Corp. I wasn't concerned about HRC's pneumonia, however.

I prefer a candidate <60 who will excite female and Af-Am Voters (you know who I mean). I do not want someone older than President Sociopath.

I want to win.

Biden is consistently in the lead. He is today. He will be tomorrow.

So we shall see about the primaries, when the African American voters have their say.

Not at this early stage when the field is crowded with vanity candidates.

Dammit this is not an age-ism matter although I'm 60 on the progressive side of moderate voter myself. This is about capturing the youth vote who simply aren't energized by sleepy Joe unless he displays more truly progressive plans like Bernie. Do I hear "another Washington establishment candidate" from youth-- big whoop. Yes. Every youth I discuss this with. I've also heard youth who could get behind Liz, or Kamala or Andrew Yang but Joe. Thanks, they'll just sit this one out.
They aren't afraid of the big "socialism boogeyman". Not one bit. Democratic socialism is the next evolutionary step towards taking care of the public and they all know it, especially those financially struggling.

You might want to refrain from calling candidates names here.

And Harris would reject your democratic socialist nonsense.

By the way...Joe is only six years older than Warren.

Well, not the usual drive-by ones, anyway. Many were long-time DUers who jumped on any and all minor events to remind everyone just how poor a choice they believed Clinton to be.

Some went to other sites; some got banned; a few are still here.

Bernie is older than she and so is the Dotard.

Same here, running a septuagenarian - the Idiot in Cheif is one, too.

Her age, her clothes, her looks, her voice, her laugh, her hair.....

Yeah, no one ever mentioned it.

My only fear is that we put up two 70+ candidates on our ticket. No doubt the Republicans will put up a young energetic running mate with Trump. That might hurt us with some voters.

Or is it Pence abandoning Trump?

I wonder which Republican rat is willing to jump on the Trump ship that is about to sink. It could certainly end someone's political career by associating with the orange menace.

given the situation I could imagine them pulling a Sarah Palin but someone better prepared and more experienced.

and I think it was back when FDR was in office. When a president chooses a different VP it is a sign that there is infighting within the administration. Even though Dan Quayle was an idiot, he was loyal to president which is why George H. W. Bush kept Quayle on the ticket in 1992 when he had the opportunity to dump him for a better choice.

But on the other hand he is loyal to those loyal to him and Pence has done that. I think our side needs to keep in mind its a possibility they will put up a younger running mate.

He treated Chris Christie like dirt.

You could see Trump had zero respect for Christie.

Trump never forgave him after that.

Although that might be a bit different because Rockefeller had to be confirmed by Congress and not elected. There would be very different political considerations in each case.

He ain’t going anywhere.

Trump would have to acknowledge that Pence was a mistake if he dumps him in 2020. I'm not sure I see him doing that.

Trump will dump anyone if he thinks it will help him survive.

Because Beto and Pete are the young go getters.. Any of them would be a better VP than Harris.

In addition, who says we are putting up two septuagenarians?

That would be a huge risk IMHO.

Who says any primary candidate for VP
when people like Al Franken Katie Porter or even Stacy Abrams are out there not calling people “not racist but...” in their policy statements.

Or too old or gaffe magnet.

You haven't heard enough from Kamala yet. She'll have DT in DT's, gaffing for defenses all the way. No, not as vice, as president.
This ex-DA is sharp as a razor and will cut the orange boob to thin slices for all to see.
Frankly, any other choice and we might as well call it for Trump right now. Republicans and the majority of the rich and powerful in this country and elsewhere are ensuring that happens in a dozen different ways. One gaffe, and it's over, we're stuck in this sewer.
Our only way out is to put up a truly progressive platform that fights for a chance for youth, or they'll just sit this one out again, thank you.
Standard disclaimer before some prosecutorial scrooge starts in on me again: Yes I'll be voting for whoever the nominee. Yet I believe mine and yours will be wasted unless we have one sharp and no-holds barred cookie. Thats Mrs Harris.

She pretty much called Joe a racist.

She was a prosecutor which I personally think says it all.

But for some reason that doesn’t “say it all” as far as she’s concerned, does it?

So yes that makes a difference. The prosecutor part is not a deal breaker. However the railroading is.

I would prefer my candidate be younger.

Before you call my position ageism, answer this question.

Would you support someone who is 85? Maybe 95? Maybe 100? Maybe 110?

If you identified a number, then you have an "ageist" attitude as well. Your cutoff is just different than mine.

My reason is simple, I would like a candidate that will have a good statistical chance of being in good mental and physical shape for 10 years. That gets them through an election and two terms. The chance of that go down significantly as you get older. Don't listen to me, ask the actuarial people.

Having said that, I would vote for anyone in the field that still has a pulse over Trump. Come to think of it..the pulse is preferred but not mandatory.

Well at least according to Roman historians. The word for senate is senatus and the word for old age is senex, with a few related words having similar forms. And don't forget that Native Americans followed the counsel of their elders. So, having older leaders is not a new concept.

What were their job routines like? Any travel? Trips to the Forum don’t count.

Got it. Thanks

Depends on the person.

You might be the only person to vote for them.

And I do mean only because there is a good chance that they wouldn't be healthy (or alive) enough to vote for themselves.

You can of course, pretend it's something other than a fallacy; and further pretend that your actual premise is based on objective evidence (as long as we admit to ourselves it's simply bias).

The evidence shows WITHOUT A DOUBT that a 77 year old is less likely to stay healthy and sharp over the next 10 years than someone who is younger.

Try to buy term life insurance or long term care insurance at that age. It will be exponentially more expensive (if available at all). Actuarial science doesn't care about bias. They are looking at the cold hard statistics.

There are real reasons to want someone younger. It isn't about what they are like at this age. It is about the probability of whether they can stay healthy and sharp through two terms.

I am almost half Joe's age of 76. My malapropisms occur at a rate 400% higher than Joe. I am usually multitasking raising a family and running a business while juggling friends and forums.

So while you think you have "evidence" it doesn't apply to Joe, Elizabeth and Bernie. Frankly, all of the septuagenarians running amaze me.

When he passed 80, he became forgetful , unsteady and frail.

We could do this all day. Individual stories aren't evidence.

You could be right and they all might be sharp and healthy 10 years from now. Just know that it would be a statistical anomaly if it happened. Likewise, Harris and others her age could have a health issue or early onset Alzheimers. That too would be a statistical anomaly.

I prefer to play the odds. Call it what you will. You can bet the long shot if you want.

Link to tweet

Now that I'm 50, I know what a dumbass I was at 30. When I'm 70, I'm sure I'll think I was a dumbass at 50.

I agree. It's not ageism. It's reality.

I am 64 and each year it gets harder to muster the energy needed to teach science to a new crew of high school students in the fall. Tough as teaching is, it pales in comparison to being the leader of the free world!

I would prefer a president younger than 60 or 65, and I don't think that is ageist. It's realistic; it's weighing the odds. People who are crying ageism are simply trying to defend their favorite candidate. If they were hiring a laborer for their construction firm, they would clearly pass over the 70-year-olds, just like everybody else.

It's not going to be a top factor when I go to vote in the primary, however. I don't care if our candidate is in a coma; I want her or him voted into office and Trump out.

Anyone of them is LIGHT YEARS better than this piece of human waste lurking in the halls of the White House today.

If they can move the trump out of the White House.. they are okay by me..

because I sure don’t have that kind of energy.

That said, I’d love to see someone in their 40s or 50s as our candidate.

Holding the most powerful office in the world needs a person with enough energy to fulfill the duties of the office. This is not ageism, it is reality.

80 is not the new 60.

they may still have more energy than a lot of 60 year olds. It depends on who.

Eisenhower, Reagan and tRump

legislation begin.

The EQUALLY important goal is voting in a Democratic senate.

I'm not even 60 and just watching them makes me tired. How so they do it?!?!

stays the course.

... have left the building. Voters are picking people over 70.

But I know what you mean.

is that we will all age. I see several elder DUers wax the most vociferous about candidates’ age,
especially Biden’s, promoting terrible stereotypes.

Having three top-tier older candidates gives us a great opportunity to address ageism, which does such damage to so many folks. Dehumanizing, writing-off, discarding seniors leaves them a segregated and often depressed population. If ageism is bad enough for mentally and physically healthy folks, it’s hell on those more vulnerable to it for experiencing illness.

Bernie, Warren, Biden all show us that aging itself is not a disease, need not put us on the side-lines, and can be, ironically a gift. What ever happens in the race, these three have a bright and productive future ahead. They will continue to inspire us, fight for us, teach us.

They energize me.

Jimmy Carter is still rocking around!

That keeps people sharper, too.

My parents have been retired for 20 years, and they could not run the dog catcher's office. But being retired makes you lose your edge. (And they were still running around in their 70s, which is not all that old for people with basic good health.)

It's all they've got.

My mother died this Jan. at age 93.5. At my age, she was a feisty dynamo and reminded me of Bernie, without the brains - she was an R.

You are old in your 30s, in your 40s, in your 50s, in your 60s, in your 70s...

According to our society, you are old pretty much your whole life! That's ridiculous...

I like Buttigieg and Castro but don't think they're set for the big stage yet. Not a fan of Kamala or Booker due to attacks on Biden and Obama.

and it's not ageism because blanketly accusing people of that is just lazy thinking.
So, DEAL WITH IT.

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Anecdotal self-accounts are often not reflective of the health and energy level of the superagers in the OP.