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Peacetrain

(22,877 posts)
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 05:39 PM Aug 2019

Something to think about with Joe, Bernie and Elizabeth..

these are the very last of the silent generation (Joe and Bernie) and the beginning of the boomer ( Elizabeth)... these three have something in common.. they really are liberals.. I mean stone cold liberals.. in fact Bernie is a socialist.. truth is Millennials, Xers , and Xennials.. are much more to the center of liberal.. now you also get some real right wing headbangers in that same generations as Joe and Bernie and Elizabeth.. early boomers were the Hippies.. later boomers were the Wall Streeters who worked themselves into the grave.. they really went to the extremes in those two generations..



and just to add a little salt to the stew.. The oldest of Generation Z is now 24..



gives you pause doesn't it

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
1. yah, doesn't look good for Joe
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 05:55 PM
Aug 2019

His age gap really shows in this 'mis-speaks' - seems when he was the age of the Y gen, he was quite conservative. And it is not aging well. Whereas Sanders was always ahead of the curve and represents the majority of public opinion on the issues today, but doesn't have to 'edit' himself when speaking off the cuff in front of thousands with a far greater frequency than Joe - which logically would compound any age apparent gaffs. But Bernie doesn't. Despite his age he excites the voters of tomorrow. Joe comforts the voters of yesterday, many of whom will be dead in November 2020 - face it.

As far as your 'liberal' 'socialist' stuff goes, I'm Canadian. Liberal doesn't mean left here. It means individualistic. Which is a far cry from socialism. The conservatives up here in the past were closer to socialists - nationally owned run resources. Of course, all that changed with the Thatcher/Regan/Mulroney years. Destroyed equality and set the world on a crash course to environmental catastrophe.

In any case, the polls of Dems V. Trump have been holding steady, and Joe is still keeping up with Bernie as the most likely to beat Trump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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katmondoo

(6,457 posts)
4. Bernie looks older than Biden and always angry. Warren always looks positive and cheerful.
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 06:42 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Peacetrain

(22,877 posts)
6. Joe is doing just fine!! Iowa loves him as does the rest of the country
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 08:00 PM
Aug 2019

You don't think socialists are liberal.. interesting .. different in far north heh.. and Bernie has fallen far behind Joe..

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
11. Can be both ways. Socialism is an ideology that
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 08:56 PM
Aug 2019

can manifest different ways, more liberal and more authoritarian (thus more like conservative).

Liberal is a personality type and political orientation. Socialist solutions can work as long as implementation is compatible with other liberal principles. The more authoritarian and less free socialist systems become, the less liberal they are in both principle and reality.

As for Sanders, the more radical and different from "normal" people's personalities become, the less reliably the traits associated with what we think of as liberalism and conservatism manifest. I actually don't think of Sanders as typically liberal at all. More liberal than not, definitely, but he's rigid, with a very limited range of interests and intolerant of any deviation from his ideas. Very illiberal that way.

Also, even in our society where he can't sell socialism and isn't trying, he wants to take away all choice of healthcare and impose one system. I took that as a huge clue to him and what he might do with power if he could. Liberals are the life, liberty and pursuit of happiness people, not the "society does best with one size for all" people. Individual freedom, one of liberalism's most basic principles, requires looseness and choice, and the costs and imperfections that come with people being able to make their own choices, and he doesn't seem to value that enough.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
10. Bernie has abrasive personality and harangues. He also looks less fit than Biden. I like Bernie
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 08:51 PM
Aug 2019

for his guts and dedication to his ideology. Young folks like him, but he doesn’t have Joe's ability to
connect emotionally with an audience.

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OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
2. I'm the same age as Warren, an "early Boomer"
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 05:56 PM
Aug 2019

But very few of us were Hippies. Oh, I did my share of protesting, but it was more at the liberal church I went to, lighting candles and I kid you not, singing Kumbaya. Since my boyfriend, later husband, didn't want to get drafted and kill anyone, he joined ROTC and went into Medical Services. Fortunately, we didn't have to go to Vietnam.

There is only one thing that doesn't bother me about Trump. That is faking bone spurs to get out of Vietnam. Most all young men his age tried everything they could to not go and get killed. Now, being a hypocrite is another thing.

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floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
3. Amen. Glad you were saved those horrors.
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 06:08 PM
Aug 2019

And very happy to see Sanders take out the younger Cheney on Warren's behalf. That's good teamwork!

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Peacetrain

(22,877 posts)
7. Must have been the people I associated with..
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 08:01 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
5. Thoughtful, but roughly half are liberal whether they
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 07:51 PM
Aug 2019

know it or not and always will be.

Liberal is one of the 2 main personality types we're all born genetically wired to, conservative the other main one. After that, environment goes to work.

This means people of every demographic group are born pre-wired to either liberal or conservative personality, in many variations and degrees. Political personality may play out somewhat different from generation to generation, but not all that different.

This means that conservatives in each generation -- overall -- will comparably always have a darker, more suspicious view of humanity and always tend to more fear and rejection of change and differences. The more cautious ones. Liberals -- overall -- will always tend to believe in their gut that all men are created equal and to be relatively more open-minded and accepting and even embracing of differences. The more adventurous ones.

It's very likely that evolution found need for complementary traits because here we are.

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Peacetrain

(22,877 posts)
8. Liberal quite literally means
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 08:02 PM
Aug 2019

listening to all sides basically.. more tolerant.. and conservative means wanting to keep the status quo whatever that is..

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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
9. Exactly. The Republican leaders and brain marinators really
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 08:39 PM
Aug 2019

did a job on conservatives by purging the party of its traditional conservative ideology which, as you say, was strongly committed to protecting "whatever" status quo. Their billionaires wanted big changes and had to deceive them into supporting that, though, and did, but it's not right for them and they feel it. Both the Tea Party and Trump were astonishingly clueless rebellions and attempts to take back their party.

Overall, in an era of sophisticated psyops, and with toxic aspects of Southern conservative culture coming to dominate, they haven't exactly been our brightest bulbs. They really need us empowered enough to keep them from bizarrely electing people who promise to destroy the remaining status quo they really want to protect.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
12. yet within the spectrum of current mainstream Democratic ideology...
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 08:52 AM
Aug 2019

Warren and Sanders are near the left extreme, and Biden is pretty much the opposite.

I don't think there's anything generational there. There are much younger candidates who are closer to the Sanders/Warren side, and others who are closer to the Biden side. It's not like the young candidates are on one side and the older are on the other.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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