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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
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*A RATED FOX NEWS POLL BY NATE SILVER* JB 31% EW 20% BS 10% KH 8% (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2019 OP
Ouchie Tiggeroshii Aug 2019 #1
But guess who Democratic primary voters found most favorable? bluewater Aug 2019 #5
Yayy Tiggeroshii Aug 2019 #9
Both Warren and Sanders have strong ground games in Iowa and New Hampshire. bluewater Aug 2019 #11
Favorable as a person but not enough to vote for.... Vegas Roller Aug 2019 #19
Good marks for Sanders, Biden and Warren. SouthernProgressive Aug 2019 #22
Go Joe! DownriverDem Aug 2019 #36
If they are 'Primary Voters'. August11-13 2019 sheshe2 Aug 2019 #53
It looks as if Biden has a solid base-support at around 30% - good stuff... Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #2
All the polls are rigged anymore Farmer-Rick Aug 2019 #3
Proof? Cha Aug 2019 #17
It is called the Red Shift Farmer-Rick Aug 2019 #45
So in essence, what you are saying, Hav Aug 2019 #50
When BS is losing Vegas Roller Aug 2019 #20
No it's called the red shift... Farmer-Rick Aug 2019 #46
I don't see how this really applies to a Dem primary. Chemisse Aug 2019 #52
And there's the daily "polls don't matter!" allegation. LanternWaste Aug 2019 #42
No they matter Farmer-Rick Aug 2019 #47
Still a solid lead for Biden. Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #4
That CANNOT be right! /sarcasm BootinUp Aug 2019 #6
Impressive improvement for Warren. She's starting to look comradebillyboy Aug 2019 #7
Stunning that Biden and Harris are exactly where they were in March poll. bluewater Aug 2019 #12
lol Drunken Irishman Aug 2019 #14
One would think so. comradebillyboy Aug 2019 #27
Biden I'm sure is pleased! As much as they try to knock him down it just doesn't work Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #28
Harris wins regardless, IMO. Blue_true Aug 2019 #41
Lol Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #43
Election polls look good too. DrToast Aug 2019 #8
Thx for pointing that out! Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #29
Interesting polling Gothmog Aug 2019 #10
Always impressed by K Harris CDerekGo Aug 2019 #13
Yeppers... that is what we have been seeing here locally.. Joe Biden is riding high.. Peacetrain Aug 2019 #15
in deed, even with all the gaffes complaints onetexan Aug 2019 #23
Bernie's appeal is becoming more selective. BannonsLiver Aug 2019 #16
Yes Vegas Roller Aug 2019 #21
that crossed my mind as i saw Elizabeth's ratings double his onetexan Aug 2019 #24
With a 4.5 MOE that means Fiendish Thingy Aug 2019 #18
Or Joe could be at 35.5 and Warren could be at 15.5. The fact is his numbers aren't volatile, as he Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #25
Warren has leaped forward but we haven't really seen her go backward. Chemisse Aug 2019 #51
I'm also interested in seeing breakdown by state. mwooldri Aug 2019 #26
A rated with a +/- of 4.5%? Cuthbert Allgood Aug 2019 #30
Also, the same Nate Silver that predicted President Clinton. Cuthbert Allgood Aug 2019 #31
Facts.... inconvenient things, yes? ehrnst Aug 2019 #44
I believe the 538 grade rating is based on a number of factors Fiendish Thingy Aug 2019 #35
Yes. DrToast Aug 2019 #37
Sanders oh my! honest.abe Aug 2019 #32
K&R Scurrilous Aug 2019 #33
Warren's long game is working lame54 Aug 2019 #34
JB with a long lead coming down the backstretch. nt oasis Aug 2019 #38
K&R! highplainsdem Aug 2019 #39
Bernie is done nt NYMinute Aug 2019 #40
Not really. Joe941 Aug 2019 #48
Yes, Really. NYMinute Aug 2019 #49
 

bluewater

(5,376 posts)
5. But guess who Democratic primary voters found most favorable?
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 06:16 PM
Aug 2019

"Primary voters give Sanders a net rating of +71 points (83 favorable-12 unfavorable), while Warren is at +69 (79-10), Biden +67 (81-14), and Harris +58 (73-15)."


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primary today, I would vote for:
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Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
9. Yayy
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 06:21 PM
Aug 2019

Thanks bluewater! I imagine things will be a bit topsy turvy until and after the iowa caucus

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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
11. Both Warren and Sanders have strong ground games in Iowa and New Hampshire.
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 06:26 PM
Aug 2019

Both those contests should be neck and neck.

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Vegas Roller

(704 posts)
19. Favorable as a person but not enough to vote for....
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 07:01 PM
Aug 2019
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SouthernProgressive

(1,810 posts)
22. Good marks for Sanders, Biden and Warren.
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 07:05 PM
Aug 2019

All within the MOE with each other.

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DownriverDem

(6,230 posts)
36. Go Joe!
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 08:47 PM
Aug 2019

Biden can beat trump. trump doesn't want to run against Biden. Go Joe!

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sheshe2

(83,843 posts)
53. If they are 'Primary Voters'. August11-13 2019
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 07:02 PM
Aug 2019

Then the Faux news voters/viewers and Faux themselves for have set this up are even dumber than I thought. They have no clue who is even running.

At least they got 4 of five guesses.



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Skya Rhen

(2,701 posts)
2. It looks as if Biden has a solid base-support at around 30% - good stuff...
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 06:14 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Farmer-Rick

(10,197 posts)
3. All the polls are rigged anymore
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 06:15 PM
Aug 2019

Especially Fox polls. Welcome to mother Russia.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Farmer-Rick

(10,197 posts)
45. It is called the Red Shift
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 11:24 AM
Aug 2019

And goes back to 1988.

Because if this change in supposed voting patterns, the polls are weighted/adjusted to account for it.

So, think about it. The polls are adjusted to compensate for peoples voting more often for RepubliCONS. But are they voting more often for these criminals, Or are our voting systems more and more manipulated by RW criminals? Even 538 talks about it in his poll consolidating site.

So, now polls are not really accurate but routinely shifted to the right to reflect the rigging of our voting systems.

This way no one really can see how severe the rigging is especially when W outlawed real, fraud identifying exit polls.

And we have got to understand that Fox probably shifts the polls to the right even further because they are NOT a news organization just the GOP propaganda station.

Google it. There is plenty of data about it even going back to before the internet.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Hav

(5,969 posts)
50. So in essence, what you are saying,
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 06:29 PM
Aug 2019

if the polls are close to the eventual result, it's not because the pollsters did a good job, it's because the pollster (all of them) deliberately ignore their own surveys and shift the result to reflect the rigging of the election without being able to know the extent of the rigging...

Polls aren't adjusted for what they want to predict/measure when the results don't match an expectation...they are adjusted when the demographics of the respondents don't reflect the makeup of the expected voting population.

And why are you talking about a red shift and Fox skewing their polls to the right when it was a poll about the Dem primary?

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Vegas Roller

(704 posts)
20. When BS is losing
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 07:02 PM
Aug 2019

is it always because it is rigged?

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Farmer-Rick

(10,197 posts)
46. No it's called the red shift...
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 11:25 AM
Aug 2019

See post 45 above for an explanation.

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Chemisse

(30,814 posts)
52. I don't see how this really applies to a Dem primary.
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 06:52 PM
Aug 2019

How would you explain that?

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LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
42. And there's the daily "polls don't matter!" allegation.
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 09:31 AM
Aug 2019

Does Mother Russia fail to support her conclusions as well, or is that just you?

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Farmer-Rick

(10,197 posts)
47. No they matter
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 11:26 AM
Aug 2019

Because the GOP tries so hard to rig them. See postv45 above.

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BootinUp

(47,174 posts)
6. That CANNOT be right! /sarcasm
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 06:17 PM
Aug 2019
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comradebillyboy

(10,174 posts)
7. Impressive improvement for Warren. She's starting to look
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 06:18 PM
Aug 2019

like a contender. Real bad news for Bernie. Harris seems to be stuck in place. Joe is still the one to beat.

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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
12. Stunning that Biden and Harris are exactly where they were in March poll.
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 06:28 PM
Aug 2019

Biden at 31% and Harris at 8%.

All the ups and downs leveled out.

Honestly, I think both campaigns must be a little disappointed by that.

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Thekaspervote

(32,785 posts)
28. Biden I'm sure is pleased! As much as they try to knock him down it just doesn't work
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 07:37 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
41. Harris wins regardless, IMO.
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 10:11 PM
Aug 2019

She would be a too VP choice for everyone but Booker and Castro. She, of course, can end up at the top of the ticket.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DrToast

(6,414 posts)
8. Election polls look good too.
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 06:19 PM
Aug 2019

Biden 50, Trump 38
Sanders 48, trump 39
Warren 46, Trump 39
Harris 45, Trump 39

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Thekaspervote

(32,785 posts)
29. Thx for pointing that out!
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 07:39 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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CDerekGo

(507 posts)
13. Always impressed by K Harris
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 06:35 PM
Aug 2019

But guessing other Democratic Voters not so much. Maybe we'll see a Biden/Warren ticket for 2020?

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Peacetrain

(22,878 posts)
15. Yeppers... that is what we have been seeing here locally.. Joe Biden is riding high..
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 06:38 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

onetexan

(13,054 posts)
23. in deed, even with all the gaffes complaints
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 07:10 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BannonsLiver

(16,434 posts)
16. Bernie's appeal is becoming more selective.
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 06:39 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Vegas Roller

(704 posts)
21. Yes
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 07:04 PM
Aug 2019

there aren't many whose head is buried in the sand.

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onetexan

(13,054 posts)
24. that crossed my mind as i saw Elizabeth's ratings double his
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 07:13 PM
Aug 2019

apparently 2016's novelty has worn off; the shiny object ain't what it used to be. I'll also add he sounds even more cross and more like an grumpy uncle than before. I think people have heard enough loud talking by the Idiot, to the point they can't tolerate another one shouting half the time he's speaking.

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Fiendish Thingy

(15,649 posts)
18. With a 4.5 MOE that means
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 06:59 PM
Aug 2019

Joe could be as low as 26.5, and
Warren could be as high as 24.5%

Warren clearly has the momentum.

This race will be tighter than the media is spinning it...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Skya Rhen

(2,701 posts)
25. Or Joe could be at 35.5 and Warren could be at 15.5. The fact is his numbers aren't volatile, as he
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 07:19 PM
Aug 2019

has a loyal base which is at around 30%.

No other candidate is leapfrogging back and forth with him, as is the case with Warren and Sanders.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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Chemisse

(30,814 posts)
51. Warren has leaped forward but we haven't really seen her go backward.
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 06:50 PM
Aug 2019

She has built herself into a force to be reckoned with!

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mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
26. I'm also interested in seeing breakdown by state.
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 07:23 PM
Aug 2019

Who leads the early primary states? Will it be Biden, Warren, Sanders and Harris all the way through to the end? Or are there early states where one of these outshine the others by a wide margin?

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Cuthbert Allgood

(4,946 posts)
30. A rated with a +/- of 4.5%?
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 07:58 PM
Aug 2019

Um hmm. Sure.

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Cuthbert Allgood

(4,946 posts)
31. Also, the same Nate Silver that predicted President Clinton.
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 07:59 PM
Aug 2019
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Fiendish Thingy

(15,649 posts)
35. I believe the 538 grade rating is based on a number of factors
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 08:44 PM
Aug 2019

Including historical accuracy of the polling house's predictions, methodology used, and the volume and breadth of polls conducted over the pollster's existence. (Some polling houses only conduct polls for single/select few states and only for presidential elections and nothing else)

The MOE of an individual poll is not a factor in the grade, but of course should be considered when analyzing any poll.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

DrToast

(6,414 posts)
37. Yes.
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 08:54 PM
Aug 2019

A MoE on an individual poll is a limitation of statistics. It doesn’t tell you anything about her quality of pollster.

A good pollster can have a higher MoE and still be more accurate than a shitty pollster that produces polls with a low MoE.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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honest.abe

(8,680 posts)
32. Sanders oh my!
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 08:19 PM
Aug 2019

What a catastrophic collapse!

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lame54

(35,311 posts)
34. Warren's long game is working
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 08:37 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

oasis

(49,396 posts)
38. JB with a long lead coming down the backstretch. nt
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 09:06 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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